Sexual harassment
Sara's Electronic Postie
Wanker: Hello? Is that Sara? What's it like being a lesbian, Sara?
Sara: Who's that?
Wanker: <hangup>
Well, this bastard obviously got my number off the news, and it ain't
gonna be soc.bi since he said "lesbian", so I assume a local group
(where my signature has received a little limelight lately).
Well, I'm not hiding my identity; but I don't know who *that* bastard was.
Sara
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Clive Jones
>Hmm. Just (this minute) got my first harassing phone call:
Bad luck. Try to just rise above it.
If you're feeling adventurous, then being confidently, but not
agressively, unflustered by geeks like this can be a fun feeling.
Admittedly, it works less well when they're anonymous, but if someone
tries tricks like that in public, I've found it works best just to
raise your voice until it becomes apparent to the other person that
they're making a complete fool of themselves trying to embarass you. I
remember one nutter who got seriously disconcerted trying to take me
on about my sexuality in a crowded terminal room here in Cambridge.
If it repeats, and if it bothers you, you might manage to track the
guy down - especially on a campus telephone network, if you're using
one. British Telecom can possibly help otherwise, but only by request
from the police.
>Well, this bastard obviously got my number off the news, and it ain't
>gonna be soc.bi since he said "lesbian", so I assume a local group
>(where my signature has received a little limelight lately).
My name, address, and telephone number for messages are in the header.
On the other hand, I don't make a habit of archiving paper mail or
telephone calls, so homophobic witterings will have a longer life if
e-mailed to me, thanks.
--Clive.
Steve Dyer
>The bastard *definitely* got my number off soc.bi or soc.motss. So
>there you go. Is it time for us to take our phone numbers out of our sigs?
Yes. A long time ago.
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Ken Jones
>Hmm. Just (this minute) got my first harassing phone call:
>Wanker: Hello? Is that Sara? What's it like being a lesbian, Sara?
>Sara: Who's that?
>Wanker: <hangup>
>Well, this bastard obviously got my number off the news, and it ain't
>gonna be soc.bi since he said "lesbian", so I assume a local group
>(where my signature has received a little limelight lately).
>Well, I'm not hiding my identity; but I don't know who *that* bastard was.
Sounds like almost the exact same thing that happened to "aag" earlier
this evening. Sounds as though some jerk went through all recent
posts, found all phone numbers for out bi and lesbian women, and "had
some fun."
So it doesn't sound as though you're being personally targeted. Some
small comfort. \:-|
- Ken
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Josh Simon
>In article <17...@castle.ed.ac.uk> sa...@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's Electronic Postie) writes:
>>The bastard *definitely* got my number off soc.bi or soc.motss. So
>>there you go. Is it time for us to take our phone numbers out of our sigs?
>
>Yes. A long time ago.
I agree. When I first started posting (and first started coming out, as
the two processes were very close in time), I made the mistake of including
what I jokingly called my "MaBellNet address" in my .signature. After the
obscene phone calls started coming in (and thanks to motss.readers of the
time who helped me figure out how best to deal with the scum), I removed
my phone number from all on-line sources -- my .signature, my .plan files,
the equivalents in campus directories (electronic and non)....
If you don't want some dumb idjit to call and harass, don't give out your
number. If you give out your number in public, don't be surprised if some
jerk decides to call.
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Angela Gilham
> If it repeats, and if it bothers you, you might manage to track the
> guy down - especially on a campus telephone network, if you're using
> one.
He got me about two minutes before Sara. Same question. I immediately
assumed he was referring to the debate I've been in on motss about
lesbian visibility . . . until I heard from Sara. Definitely
an outside the campus line though.
> --Clive.
Best suggestion do far comes from a friend . . .
A referee's whistle!
Ang
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Tom Limoncelli
>there you go. Is it time for us to take our phone numbers out of our
I took my phone number out of my .sig after my first death threat.
I took my address out of my .sig after I received a "sample copy of our
new text book on software design using C". The address was written exactly
as it was on my .sig used on comp.lang.c except I was addressed as "Professor
Tom Limoncelli". I don't know when I became a professor. At the time
I was a freshman in college.
You win some, you lose some.
Tom
P.S. I'm still not a professor. I didn't even get into grad school for
heavens sake!
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c...@vax.oxford.ac.uk
>gonna be soc.bi since he said "lesbian", so I assume a local group
& adds:
> Further evidence leads me to believe that it *wasn't* a local group.
> The bastard *definitely* got my number off soc.bi or soc.motss. So
> there you go. Is it time for us to take our phone numbers out of our
> sigs? Shit.
No, now is the time for us to stop taking any shit. If I had a 'phone of
my own, I'd post my number, but the phone here is in a public-access term
room. I suspect my usual gamut of responses to asshole callers (as practised
on telesales people & all at my mother's place) would raise a few eyebrows.
& probably earn at least a "shh" from those serious programming dudes.
Tanaqui
FJ!! van Wingerde
>I took my phone number out of my .sig after my first death threat.
I'm considering now to create a .sig just so I can put my phone-number in it.
Should someone start harassing me, it will probably be someone from the states,
and that is going to cost him/her bigtime. The outgoing message that Ingeborg
made for my answering machine is 30 sec. alone. That's got to be a buck or two,
and I wont even have gotten a slur yet.
FJ!!
Mike Batchelor
> sa...@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's Electronic Postie) writes:
> >Hmm. Just (this minute) got my first harassing phone call:
> >Well, this bastard obviously got my number off the news, and it ain't
> >gonna be soc.bi since he said "lesbian", so I assume a local group
>
> Further evidence leads me to believe that it *wasn't* a local group.
> The bastard *definitely* got my number off soc.bi or soc.motss. So
> there you go. Is it time for us to take our phone numbers out of our
> sigs? Shit.
Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I am wondering why
*anyone* would post their phone number in their sig, no matter where
or what they posted to the net. Seems to be a semi-traditional
practice, though.
Maybe it's because I'm a newbie...
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Jess Anderson
In article <V868FB...@batpad.lgb.CA.US>
mi...@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
>Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I am wondering why
>*anyone* would post their phone number in their sig, no matter where
>or what they posted to the net. Seems to be a semi-traditional
>practice, though.
Believe it or not most of my email (which uses the same sig)
goes to business-related destinations. That's also why I
have all my email addresses in there. I have a script that
will put any of one- to five-line sig files in my sig, but
it's a pain to have to bother with it, so I never use it.
(The 5-line one has my fax, home address and phone, I think.
Lemme see, here's the 5th line.)
Work fax: 608/262-4679 <> Home: 2838 Stevens Street / 53705 <> 608/238-4833
I don't worry about nuisance calls at home anyway, since I
have only one phone (cheap, ya know), and it's online to
somewhere about 23.75 hours a day. (Yes, even when I'm at
work, I'm connected to home. Even when I'm asleep, my little
Unix box is working for me. The 15 minutes is for the
five-minute commute each way and the 5 minutes I will
actually take a phone call [at a highly guarded secret
time, heh heh].)
Actually, I *like* my sig (I mean, I have a good
relationship with it): no frills, no extra stuff. Sorta
like me, well more sensible, most likely :-).
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Nelson Minar
>Even when I'm asleep, my little Unix box is working for me.
So that's when the Jess-o-matic posting program runs?
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Vincent Manis
Simon) writes:
>If you don't want some dumb idjit to call and harass, don't give out your
>number. If you give out your number in public, don't be surprised if some
>jerk decides to call.
Gee, I've had my office BCTelGougeNet (a subsidiary of Anglo-American
Telephone Co of Montreal, wholly owned by General Telephone and Erratic
Devices, of Connecticut) number in my .signature, and never *once* got
any threatening phone calls. In fact, I've never even got any
threatening email. (Mind you, I'd never be stupid enough to post my
*home* number.)
I did once get a death threat on my answering machine at home. I kept
the message until the machine was struck by lightning. But that's
another story.
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the Crisco Kid
>*anyone* would post their phone number in their sig, no matter where
>or what they posted to the net. Seems to be a semi-traditional
>practice, though.
Three reasons:
1) My signature gets used on *all* my email and news articles; it's
very convenient for people who need my number(s) to get them that
way, as our departmental secretary hath the brains of a kumquat and
thus a) can't remember my numbers and b) has decided that she won't
give phone numbers out to callers anyway - this is *not* departmental
policy, by the way, just hers. It's a real pisser for someone far
away to spend $$ (replace with preferred currency symbol) trying to
find me at the office, discover that I'm working at home, and then be
told that they can't have my home phone number.
2) You get the most wonderful out-of-the-blue phone calls. For
example, I ask about the word "cooties" that STella used in one of
her postings. STella not only emails me; she also phones me. STella
has a wonderful voice and a wonderfuller personality: one of the
few people I know that can sound sexy talking into an answering
machine on the other side of the Atlantic. Also, some of you people
have very naughty imaginations and large phone bills... and I'm sure
that I shouldn't have had *those* calls had I not put my home number
in my signature.
3) It amuses my housemate no end trying to fathom out who you all
are. He's not net-connected, and so has no idea. I can't remember
which of you was the culprit - I have a sneaky suspicion it may
have been Jojo, but no matter - but apparently Malc sat eavesdropping
on my half of a goodly conversation about exactly what (whoever)
thought they'd like to do with me (and some fascinating equipment)...
what a way to come out to a housemate, eh?
Kay
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Sara's Electronic Postie
>[on why phone number on sig.?]
> policy, by the way, just hers. It's a real pisser for someone far
> away to spend $$ (replace with preferred currency symbol) trying to
> find me at the office, discover that I'm working at home, and then be
> told that they can't have my home phone number.
There is simply *no way* I would post my *home* phone number on a news
article. The one I got the dodgy call at was my work number.
Tom Limoncelli
>Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I am wondering why
>*anyone* would post their phone number in their sig, no matter where
>or what they posted to the net. Seems to be a semi-traditional
>practice, though.
I had it mostly so that people that needed to contact me could. Of
course, after the prank phone calls I decided that enough OTHER people
know my phone number that if someone really needed it they could ask
around and get it.
Tom
Olaf Seibert
Well, I don't have an answering machine, but I have something better:
I'm never at home, and someone else may answer the phone. I already
imagine them frantically taking notes to leave for me when I return!
That must be great fun!
Oh, here is the small print: +31-80561030.
-Olaf.
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Scott Amspoker
>Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I am wondering why
>*anyone* would post their phone number in their sig, no matter where
>or what they posted to the net. Seems to be a semi-traditional
>practice, though.
I used to include my work number in my signature because I frequently
post to technical forums that are related to my business. I stopped
doing it because someone actually called me up with a "business related"
question. For some strange reason I found the person annoying. I
decided that anybody who's serious can call directory assistance.
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Steve Dyer
signature to get some strange calls--a surprising number of people are
smart enough to think of using directory assistance. Not that the ones
I've received qualify as sexual harassment, but a number of them have
been weird.
<RING>
Me: Hello?
It (muffled, secretive mumble throughout): Er, is this Steve Dyer?
Me: Yup, what's up?
It: Er, the Steve Dyer who posts to the net?
Me: Uh huh.
It: The one who has the GIF files?
Me: Yes.
It: Er, I need your help to find some X-rated GIFs.
Me: Sorry, I don't know too much about that. The motss GIFs are all
pretty tame.
It: You don't know where X-rated GIFs are?
Me: No; they don't interest me very much. I have no idea where any archive
sites are.
It: Well, maybe you could ask around and see where they can be found?
Me: (choking) Why don't YOU ask around?
It: Sorry, no way, I can't do that.
Me: Well, there's always alt.sex.pictures. There are tons of gay GIFs
sent over that newsgroup.
It: Sorry, I can't figure that format out. I've tried.
Me: It's not THAT difficult, you know, ask someone about uude-
It (breaking in): NO! Listen, I've tried it, and it's useless.
Me: Well, I guess you're out of luck, then.
It: You're really not going to help me find X-rated GIFs?
c...@vax.oxford.ac.uk
mi...@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
>
> Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I am wondering why
> *anyone* would post their phone number in their sig, no matter where
> or what they posted to the net. Seems to be a semi-traditional
> practice, though.
>
> Maybe it's because I'm a newbie...
I'm sorry if someone has answered this; my .newsrc is again showing
answered articles without some of the original posts. 'Twould be sensible
to assume that I've lost more postings. *sigh*
I suppose the phone number is posted in order to provide other means of
contact when the Net is down. As if any of us could live without our email.
|-) Only problem is, one can't forward an offensive message to one's post-
master or flood the offending instrument with messages quite so easily.
Tanaqui
Harry Shapiro
>I might add that you don't need to place your telephone number in your
>signature to get some strange calls--a surprising number of people are
>smart enough to think of using directory assistance. Not that the ones
>I've received qualify as sexual harassment, but a number of them have
>been weird.
[Steve stuff about a call deleted]
You never know what happens. I have posted by number at my office
in the past in some places. I can't say it was net-related. Today
I got a call from someone (at my office) who asked for me.
This person then said I was, "a fucking asshole."
I've done that, but I am certainly not one. :)
I hope that person got some pleasure from making the call;
I certainly don't think it was worth dime.
All this to say that you will get these calls no matter
what.
ha...@panix.com
Please ignore the .sig
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Ken Johnson
# Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but I am wondering why
# *anyone* would post their phone number in their sig
It's unlikely that anyone would phone me as a result of seeing my
postings in soc.bi or in one of the other political groups. However, it
may be helpful to reply by phone to queries posted in the technical
groups.
Ken
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Graham Toal
>I'm sorry if someone has answered this; my .newsrc is again showing
>answered articles without some of the original posts. 'Twould be sensible
>to assume that I've lost more postings. *sigh*
Not necessarily. Could be they're arriving out of order and the original
posts will turn up later.
Or maybe the posters were posting with us distribution only?
Or (depressingly) maybe soc.bi has finally been noticed by the anal-retentives
at uknet, and isn't being distributed, and the only articles you are
seeing are those that slip through the censoring because they've also
been crossposted to other groups.
Graham
anthony.baldassarre..jr
>It: You're really not going to help me find X-rated GIFs?
Maybe he should have asked you to help him MAKE some X-rated GIFs!!!
Tony
Louie Crew
Lutibelle's Neighbors:
Message that Anonymous Left on his Answering Machine
Hey, I'm gonna kill you.
I listened to your program, you faggot.
I'm gonna beat your fucking face
if I ever see you. You hear me!?
I ain't no fucking faggot.
I kick your junky fucking ass.
Goodbye.
-- Louie Crew
From ~Ransom~ 3 (1988): 8.
Collected in ~From Quean Lutibelle's Pew~. Dragon Disks: Newark, NJ, 1990.
Page 19.
P.S.
I have a tape of these from the early 80s. I'm thinking of issuing a
CD called 'Hetero Buzzard Calls.'
I would feel terribly unimportant had the FBI never bothered to keep a
record on me or had no bullies threatened me in the darkness of their
night.
Luti/Luti 201-485-4503
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John Clark
+signature to get some strange calls--a surprising number of people are
+
+ ... a phone conversation about trying to find some X-rated GIF's....
+
+It (breaking in): NO! Listen, I've tried it, and it's useless.
+
+Me: Well, I guess you're out of luck, then.
+
+It: You're really not going to help me find X-rated GIFs?
Not to be to paranoid, but does the name Anthony Comstock ring any
bells..
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c...@vax.oxford.ac.uk
gt...@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal) writes:
[re: me losing postings]
> Not necessarily. Could be they're arriving out of order and the original
> posts will turn up later.
Nope...or at least, not yet. Some of the postings come through ox.prg, too..
> Or maybe the posters were posting with us distribution only?
Possibly...
> Or (depressingly) maybe soc.bi has finally been noticed by the anal-retentives
> at uknet, and isn't being distributed, and the only articles you are
> seeing are those that slip through the censoring because they've also
> been crossposted to other groups.
Nah - this was the only newsgroup listed when I initiated followup. I've lost
stuff from other groups, unlikely to be censored - rec.arts.comics, for one!
I think it's safe to assume just that my news machine is most non-non-heinous
& to bear with me as I miss your gems of bi-jove genius.
Tanaqui