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ThatKiss

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Hello:

DO YOU REMEBER THE MAGIC OF YOUR FIRST KISS??????

We are a group of G/L/B college students that are attmepting to collect stories
for an anthology.
First Kiss is going to be a collection of people's
First Kiss stories, but with a what we believe is an interesting and unique
twist. We want stories of the first time you kissed someone of the same
gender. As members of the G/L/B community our primary concern is with
representing the community in a positive light, raising money for charity, and
also providing a forum for YOU to share your story.
INTERESTED? WANT TO KNOW MORE?

GO TO----> http://members.aol.com/lilraver/AOLPRESS.FirstKiss1.html

Thanks for your time and sorry if this was an intrusion.

The Staff of First Kiss
That...@aol.com
First Kiss Copyright 1998
http://members.aol.com/lilraver/AOLPRESS.FirstKiss1.html

Alison Rowan

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Feb 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/4/98
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that...@aol.com (ThatKiss) writes:

> First Kiss is going to be a collection of people's
> First Kiss stories, but with a what we believe is an interesting and unique
> twist. We want stories of the first time you kissed someone of the same
> gender. As members of the G/L/B community our primary concern is with

> representing the community in a positive light [snip]

I don't know about representing the community (whatever that is) is a
good light. My first kiss with a woman was so damn terrifying that I
had to go away and throw up afterwards. this could have been due to
the vast amount of alcohol I had consumed in order to make myself
brave enough to do it.

If I hadn't had almost exactly the same experience when I first kissed
a guy I might have decided I was straight... thank gods things have
looked up a hell of a lot since then.

--
Purple Rabbits
also at http://www.hedonism.demon.co.uk/rabbits/
Crap wannafucks will be publicly pilloried on my Web pages
Actively Seeking Work - has anybody got a job?


Darren

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Feb 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/7/98
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In article <86hg6ff...@hedonism.demon.co.uk>, Alison Rowan
<rab...@hedonism.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> that...@aol.com (ThatKiss) writes:
>
> I don't know about representing the community (whatever that is) is a
> good light. My first kiss with a woman was so damn terrifying that I
> had to go away and throw up afterwards.

Same here ... my first kiss made me pretty ill too. And since I was still
a Good Little Catholic Boy(tm) (ie really good at self-administration of
guilt trips) (no offense to Catholics) I nearly threw up afterwards too.
And I was sober.

Maybe we could share our first *good* kiss story ...

Darren

Bethany

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Feb 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/7/98
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Whilst procrastinating, Darren shared:
> Same here ... my first kiss made me pretty ill too. And since I was still
> a Good Little Catholic Boy(tm) (ie really good at self-administration of
> guilt trips) (no offense to Catholics) I nearly threw up afterwards too.

Wowsers...
My first MOTOS kiss made me feel rather ill, as a sweet innocent
li'l 16 year old, but by the time I got around to my first MOTSS kiss,
(a bit older 'n that!) I had managed to put my catholic guilt enough
behind me to enjoy myself. The backlash didn't kick in for a coupla'
days, at least :)


-bitty, who firmly believes that all first kisses should be amazing,
happy things, generally not in airports.

--
Bethany "Bitty" Ramirez http://www.amherst.edu/~bkramire/menu.html
GO/MU -d+@ -p+ c+++ l u+ e* m++(---)(*) s-/+ n--- h*(+) f g+ w++ t r x+(*)
"She's a woman, not a gumball machine!" - _Friends_
"Everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I am merely in disguise" _Cat's Eye_

Andrew D. Simchik

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Feb 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/7/98
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On 7 Feb 1998, Bethany wrote:

> Whilst procrastinating, Darren shared:
> > Same here ... my first kiss made me pretty ill too. And since I was still
> > a Good Little Catholic Boy(tm) (ie really good at self-administration of
> > guilt trips) (no offense to Catholics) I nearly threw up afterwards too.
>
> Wowsers...
> My first MOTOS kiss made me feel rather ill, as a sweet innocent
> li'l 16 year old, but by the time I got around to my first MOTSS kiss,
> (a bit older 'n that!) I had managed to put my catholic guilt enough
> behind me to enjoy myself. The backlash didn't kick in for a coupla'
> days, at least :)

Wow. I'm so glad I had a non-religious upbringing and
was never innocent. My first MOTOS kiss, beyond some
childish lipsmackin', was out-of-this-world *amazing*.
My first MOTSS kiss couldn't possibly have matched it,
since it was essentially the same activity with more
stubble, but the whole shebang (well, hebang) that followed
it was similarly earth-shattering.

Just lucky, I guess.

--
Andrew D. Simchik: wy...@bi.org
http://www.bi.org/~wyrd/


Charlie

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Feb 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/8/98
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Andrew--

Actually, I suspect your reaction is more the norm
(especially if he was the MOTSS you kissed! Or would that be
more OF Norm?!). I recall this was the way it happened for
me a few decades ago. With both sexes/genders/whatevers. I
never paid much attention to all that religious stuff they
tried to teach me. I guess you could tag me a former Bad
Baptist Boy! Maybe that's why I'm a pagan now!

Charlie

Bitty

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Feb 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/10/98
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From: "Andrew D. Simchik" <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>

>Wow. I'm so glad I had a non-religious upbringing and
>was never innocent. My first MOTOS kiss, beyond some

I dunno, I kinda miss being innocent sometimes, yknow?

>childish lipsmackin',

bump teeth?

>was out-of-this-world *amazing*.

WOW. i dont consider kissing to be amazing in the first place,
never mind my first...

>My first MOTSS kiss couldn't possibly have matched it,
>since it was essentially the same activity with more
>stubble,

*giggle* I *LIKE* kissing stubble! (hi colin!)

>but the whole shebang (well, hebang) that followed

ROFLMFFAO :) (He-Man, She-Ra, had a He-Bang?)

>it was similarly earth-shattering.

wow. i dont think i'd ever describe any of it as earthshattering.
this a sex thing? (ie, is it a male versus female thing?)

>Just lucky, I guess.

THPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPT 8P

Andrew D. Simchik

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Feb 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/10/98
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On 10 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:

> From: "Andrew D. Simchik" <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>
>
> >Wow. I'm so glad I had a non-religious upbringing and
> >was never innocent. My first MOTOS kiss, beyond some
>
> I dunno, I kinda miss being innocent sometimes, yknow?

I miss being innocent only because I wish to be corrupted anew.

> >childish lipsmackin',
>
> bump teeth?

No, miraculously. But it was one of those giggle giggle
okay we'll go into the closet and turn off the light
and try to get up the nerve to kiss giggle giggle.

> >was out-of-this-world *amazing*.
>
> WOW. i dont consider kissing to be amazing in the first place,
> never mind my first...

It's not all it's cracked up to be, but when it is good
it is very very good. This weekend it was very very good.

> >My first MOTSS kiss couldn't possibly have matched it,
> >since it was essentially the same activity with more
> >stubble,
>
> *giggle* I *LIKE* kissing stubble!

I'm coming to see its merits.

> (hi colin!)

That name came to mind, but of course dear sweet Colin's
was hardly the first stubble I kissed.

> >but the whole shebang (well, hebang) that followed
>
> ROFLMFFAO :) (He-Man, She-Ra, had a He-Bang?)

I was a He-Man junkie as a kid, of course. And She-Ra, to
a lesser extent. And GI Joe and Transformers. Dinosaurs,
snakes, bugs. Toy guns and video games.

Is it just me, or did growing up as a boy use to be more fun?

> >it was similarly earth-shattering.
>
> wow. i dont think i'd ever describe any of it as earthshattering.

It's true. Why do you think California has so many
earthquakes, and Kansas so few?

> this a sex thing? (ie, is it a male versus female thing?)

It's a hyperbole thing. Plus I am unquestionably more
oversexed than thou.

RedundantObBi: saw Chasing Amy for the first time last night.
Still making up my mind about it.

Jeliza Patterson

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In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.98021...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>,

Andrew D. Simchik <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> wrote:
>On 10 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:
>
>> From: "Andrew D. Simchik" <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>
>>
>I miss being innocent only because I wish to be corrupted anew.

Ain't that the truth. <sigh>

>> >it was similarly earth-shattering.
>>
>> wow. i dont think i'd ever describe any of it as earthshattering.

>> this a sex thing? (ie, is it a male versus female thing?)
>
>It's a hyperbole thing. Plus I am unquestionably more
>oversexed than thou.

Oh, I don't know. There have been times when earthshattering really hasn't
been that much of a stretch from how that kiss -- or that sex -- has felt.
(I remember the first time I kissed C; I'd been trying to work up the
chutzpah for months, and I think the recent purchase of a good black leather
biker jacket gave me just enough of that butch swagger bravado to approach
such an astonishing woman. (Being a shy butch-in-training really sucks, in
some ways. But it seems to be in the wiring, so I've just got to struggle on
through.) When my lips touched hers for the first time, I
was lost in all that wonderful peach-scented softness, and almost
collapsed. I couldn't think straight, er, that is, I couldn't get my brain
to function at all normally for hours. And while I'm sure that being crazy
in love with her helped, that perfect alchemical combination of lips and
teeth -- well, it seems to be an empirically corroborable(sp?) experience. <g>


>RedundantObBi: saw Chasing Amy for the first time last night.
>Still making up my mind about it.

I really like Kevin Smith -- _clerks_ was brill, _mallrats_ was seventeen
times better than I would have expected possible in a movie starring shannen
doherty, and most of _chasing amy_ was great. But the last half-hour made me
want to hurl, and I walked out of the theater thinking "I've lived that, and
I didn't need to relive it."

Jeliza,
who is going to go back to work now, really.

--
Jeliza Patterson, valk...@cmu.edu
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~valkyrie/
"I went out for the football team to prove that I'm a man
I guess I shouldn't tell them that I like Duran Duran" -- Barenaked Ladies

Andrew D. Simchik

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On 10 Feb 1998, Jeliza Patterson wrote:

> In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.98021...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>,
> Andrew D. Simchik <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> wrote:
>
> >RedundantObBi: saw Chasing Amy for the first time last night.
> >Still making up my mind about it.
>
> I really like Kevin Smith -- _clerks_ was brill, _mallrats_ was seventeen
> times better than I would have expected possible in a movie starring shannen
> doherty, and most of _chasing amy_ was great. But the last half-hour made me
> want to hurl, and I walked out of the theater thinking "I've lived that, and
> I didn't need to relive it."

I enjoyed CLERKS and haven't seen MALLRATS yet.
As for CHASING FLAMEY, I liked parts of it an awful
lot. That bit at the end, the "one year later" moments,
actually got my eyes wet, and I *never* cry at movies.
I thought some of it was pretty clever, and I always
love Jay and Silent Bob (I have the hots for Jay,
inexplicably), who have a vibrant authenticity about
them some of the other characters sometimes lack. We
made fun of Joey Lauren Adams all the way through, of
course (a few Victoria Jackson comparisons, but usually
it was Jewel, and we punctuated her lines with "yodel-
lay-hee-hoo!"), though I thought she did a pretty decent
job, when she wasn't being totally cute 'n' clever or
screaming too loudly for too long. The indulgent pop-culture/
sex dialogues were fun but often predictable or didactic.
Jason Lee was great, Ben Affleck was pretty good, and
of course I loved Hooper despite his Queen Oracle stereotype.
The whole threesome thing was pretty painful in every sense.
Hmmm...what else do I want to say? Oh, yes: my favorite
line was "Archie is *not* fucking Mr. Weatherbee!" It
was doubly funny because Margaret (Banky) and I (Hooper)
are always having those conversations in just the same tones
of voice.

Darrell Manrique

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Feb 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/11/98
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On 7 Feb 1998, Bethany wrote:

> Wowsers...
> My first MOTOS kiss made me feel rather ill, as a sweet innocent
> li'l 16 year old, but by the time I got around to my first MOTSS kiss,
> (a bit older 'n that!) I had managed to put my catholic guilt enough
> behind me to enjoy myself. The backlash didn't kick in for a coupla'
> days, at least :)
>
>

> -bitty, who firmly believes that all first kisses should be amazing,
> happy things, generally not in airports.

My first MOTSS kiss was when I was 19, and it was an amazing, happy thing,
but it was also at about 4 in the morning toward the end of a very long
party (before I started drinking). My first MOTOS kiss was when I was 20
(wait, I'm still 20!), and it was only midnight, and it was so-so.
Neither was anywhere near an airport.

dEm

"Stumbling through life can be beautiful." - Aaron P., 1997


Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Darrell Manrique shared:
> My first MOTSS kiss was when I was 19, and it was an amazing, happy thing,
> but it was also at about 4 in the morning toward the end of a very long

4 in teh morning? aieeeeeeeeeeee.

> Neither was anywhere near an airport.

*giggle* Well, let's start a sub-thread: people's first kiss
locations. And then, alternatively, peiople's favorite kiss location.
(Note: I was *not* the airport one.)


-bitty, who could prolly even dig up the date of her first kiss if
motivated. (which i'm not)

Bitty

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From: "Andrew D. Simchik" <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>
On 10 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:
> I dunno, I kinda miss being innocent sometimes, yknow?
:I miss being innocent only because I wish to be corrupted anew.

Now THERE'S something I hadn't thought about...
I knew someone once who claimed that if you went 7 years without,
you were a born-again virgin. 'Course, he claimed he was a born-again
virgin at age 19, which made some of us skeptical.

:It's not all it's cracked up to be, but when it is good


:it is very very good. This weekend it was very very good.

*curious, nosey look*

> *giggle* I *LIKE* kissing stubble!
:I'm coming to see its merits.

having one's back scratched with scruff is infinitely more
satisfying than a brush.

> ROFLMFFAO :) (He-Man, She-Ra, had a He-Bang?)
:I was a He-Man junkie as a kid, of course. And She-Ra, to
:a lesser extent. And GI Joe and Transformers. Dinosaurs,
:snakes, bugs. Toy guns and video games.

my mom didn't let me play with my brother's toys :(

now, the ultimate test in coolness: VOLTRON :)

:Is it just me, or did growing up as a boy use to be more fun?

i think growing up used to be more fun, but teh toys these days
kick more ass technology wise. we were merely more creative. and had
better looking action heroes (luke! han!).

> wow. i dont think i'd ever describe any of it as earthshattering.

:It's true. Why do you think California has so many


:earthquakes, and Kansas so few?

well, massachusetts scores a big fat zero, eh?

:It's a hyperbole thing. Plus I am unquestionably more
:oversexed than thou.

*choke* um, i doubt it. *blushes furiously*

Misha MCM

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In article <34e1b...@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, bkra...@unix.amherst.edu (Bitty)
writes:

>bitty, who could prolly even dig up the date of her first kiss if
>motivated. (which i'm not)

Bitty, it's bad enough murdering your date. Do you
have to unearth the bones as well?

--Misha, whose first kisses probably don't count
"I'm confused. Is this a happy ending or a sad ending?"
"It's an ending. That's good enough."


Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Darren shared:

> Maybe we could share our first *good* kiss story ...

nah, it would embarass someone who used to read this group ;)
(is kissing bisexuals better than kissing str8 men?)

Misha MCM

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>(is kissing bisexuals better than kissing str8 men?)

But kissing str8 men is such fun!

--Misha
"Pull off the road."
"I can't, silly, it's stuck to the ground."


Andrew D. Simchik

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On 11 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:

> From: "Andrew D. Simchik" <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>
>

> :It's not all it's cracked up to be, but when it is good
> :it is very very good. This weekend it was very very good.
>
> *curious, nosey look*

Ask Xaos.

Hmmm, maybe I should clarify that. I *did* have some
serious fun (well, from my POV; I'm not sure he agreed,
though he said I did great for my first real bottoming
(the vanilla kind, though it sure didn't feel vanilla))
with a guy I met online this weekend. It wasn't Xaos,
though (darn).

> > ROFLMFFAO :) (He-Man, She-Ra, had a He-Bang?)
> :I was a He-Man junkie as a kid, of course. And She-Ra, to
> :a lesser extent. And GI Joe and Transformers. Dinosaurs,
> :snakes, bugs. Toy guns and video games.
>
> my mom didn't let me play with my brother's toys :(

Sucks. I got to play with my neighbor's Barbies.

> now, the ultimate test in coolness: VOLTRON :)

Hello? *G-Force*, dude.

> :Is it just me, or did growing up as a boy use to be more fun?
>
> i think growing up used to be more fun, but teh toys these days
> kick more ass technology wise. we were merely more creative. and had
> better looking action heroes (luke! han!).

It's true that Transformers seem to work better now
in a lot of ways.

> > wow. i dont think i'd ever describe any of it as earthshattering.
> :It's true. Why do you think California has so many
> :earthquakes, and Kansas so few?
>
> well, massachusetts scores a big fat zero, eh?

You said it, not me. :P

Nah, you can't take this one too far.

> :It's a hyperbole thing. Plus I am unquestionably more
> :oversexed than thou.
>
> *choke* um, i doubt it. *blushes furiously*

Oh, so you wanna have a contest now?
You're playing with fire, little girl.

XAOS

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that bitch wrote in message ...
>In article
><Pine.BSF.3.96.98021...@roundtable.cif.rochester.e

du>,
>"Andrew D. Simchik" <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> wrote:
>
>>Hmmm, maybe I should clarify that. I *did* have some
>>serious fun [...] this weekend. It wasn't Xaos,
>>though (darn).
>
>Nah. If it were Xaos, I'd have nothing to abuse him
>for.


As if mere facts would stop you

- Steve, letting my bitterness shine through

Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:

> Sucks. I got to play with my neighbor's Barbies.

you can have all mine, if you'd like.

> > now, the ultimate test in coolness: VOLTRON :)
> Hello? *G-Force*, dude.

VOLTRON!

> It's true that Transformers seem to work better now
> in a lot of ways.

i DONT want to know how you used them.

> > :oversexed than thou.
> > *choke* um, i doubt it. *blushes furiously*

> Oh, so you wanna have a contest now?

*smiles innocently*

> You're playing with fire, little girl.

one thing i'm NOT is little. short, yes. little, no.

bad...@void.demon.co.uk

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On 11 Feb 98 15:05:33 GMT, bkra...@unix.amherst.edu (Bitty) delighted
us by writing this:


>(is kissing bisexuals better than kissing str8 men?)
>

>--
>Bethany "Bitty" Ramirez http://www.amherst.edu/~bkramire/menu.html
> GO/MU -d+@ -p+ c+++ l u+ e* m++(---)(*) s-/+ n--- h*(+) f g+ w++ t r x+(*)
> "She's a woman, not a gumball machine!" - _Friends_
>"Everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I am merely in disguise" _Cat's Eye_


yes, I think so.
Vicky
*******

Hussies r us...


Andrew D. Simchik

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On 11 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:

> Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:
>
> > Sucks. I got to play with my neighbor's Barbies.
>
> you can have all mine, if you'd like.

That's okay. I didn't much like them then, either.

> > > now, the ultimate test in coolness: VOLTRON :)
> > Hello? *G-Force*, dude.
>
> VOLTRON!

The Phoenix could kick Voltron's ass.

> > It's true that Transformers seem to work better now
> > in a lot of ways.
>
> i DONT want to know how you used them.

It's the GI Joes you should fear. Funny how they
always ended up wrestling.

Eric Siegel

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On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Andrew D. Simchik wrote:

> RedundantObBi: saw Chasing Amy for the first time last night.
> Still making up my mind about it.

Well, I happen to own a Justice League of America jacket
like the one what made a brief appearance in said film...
Not that that ought to make any whit of difference in your
opinion of it.

Eric Siegel ejsi...@ucdavis.edu |
Dept. of Political Science |
Univ. of California, Davis | If one takes no prisoners,
One Shields Avenue | there is no dilemma.
Davis CA 95616 |
(530) 752-7106 |


Eric Siegel

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On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Andrew D. Simchik wrote:
> On 10 Feb 1998, Jeliza Patterson wrote:
> > In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.98021...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu>,

> > Andrew D. Simchik <schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >RedundantObBi: saw Chasing Amy for the first time last night.
> > >Still making up my mind about it.
> >
> > I really like Kevin Smith -- _clerks_ was brill, _mallrats_ was seventeen
> > times better than I would have expected possible in a movie starring shannen
> > doherty, and most of _chasing amy_ was great. But the last half-hour made me
> > want to hurl, and I walked out of the theater thinking "I've lived that, and
> > I didn't need to relive it."
>
> I enjoyed CLERKS and haven't seen MALLRATS yet.
> As for CHASING FLAMEY, I liked parts of it an awful
> lot. That bit at the end, the "one year later" moments,
> actually got my eyes wet, and I *never* cry at movies.

Yeah, it got me, too (although I do tear up at flicks from
time to time; the end of _Silent Running_ *still* gets me,
and I've seen it about a dozen times.)

> screaming too loudly for too long. The indulgent pop-culture/
> sex dialogues were fun but often predictable or didactic.

The cunnilingus injury discussion was a hoot, I thought.

> Jason Lee was great, Ben Affleck was pretty good, and
> of course I loved Hooper despite his Queen Oracle stereotype.

"OOh! Yanni!" had me rolling for, like, an hour. I still
laugh just thinking about it.

Cheryl Trooskin

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Feb 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/11/98
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Drew wrote, in response to Bitty:

> though he said I did great for my first real bottoming
> (the vanilla kind, though it sure didn't feel vanilla)

Um. Vanilla bottoming?
Is this a boy thing, or should I know what you're talking about?

> > now, the ultimate test in coolness: VOLTRON :)
> Hello? *G-Force*, dude.

*swoon* Drew, you just won my heart.
G-Force is, like, my all-time favorite cartoon, ever.

> You're playing with fire, little girl.

Ah, Drew, you're so domly.

sevoooooooo

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Kathryn Burlingham

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On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Andrew D. Simchik wrote:

> Hmmm, maybe I should clarify that. I *did* have some

> serious fun (well, from my POV; I'm not sure he agreed,

> though he said I did great for my first real bottoming

> (the vanilla kind, though it sure didn't feel vanilla))

I think that's called Hot Fudge, dearheart.

--Kathryn, wondering if congratulations would be proper

If there's anything more predictable than a boy, I haven't met it.
--Blossom Culp


Andrew D. Simchik

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Feb 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/12/98
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On 11 Feb 1998, Jeffrey William McKeough wrote:

> >It's the GI Joes you should fear. Funny how they
> >always ended up wrestling.
>

> Ah, GI Joe. I'm getting sick of all these newfangled
> hypertechnological toys that keep getting announced. Does a child
> really need a doll with scanners for eyes that runs Quicken for
> Barbie?

In my day, we had "Chinese" jacks and *loved* 'em.

Andrew D. Simchik

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On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Cheryl Trooskin wrote:

> Drew wrote, in response to Bitty:
>

> > though he said I did great for my first real bottoming

> > (the vanilla kind, though it sure didn't feel vanilla)
>
> Um. Vanilla bottoming?
> Is this a boy thing, or should I know what you're talking about?

Let me try this another way:
I got fucked up the ass for an extended period
of time by a real live dick for the first time in
my life apart from a brief first attempt some
time ago that failed miserably.

So much for coyness.

> > Hello? *G-Force*, dude.
>
> *swoon* Drew, you just won my heart.
> G-Force is, like, my all-time favorite cartoon, ever.

I doubt I could watch it now -- I can't watch
Jonny Quest anymore, either, despite its symbolic
appeal -- but did I ever love it at the time.

Is it my favorite? Not with Dangermouse as competition.
Not to mention Ren & Stimpy, South Park, and the Simpsons.
Did I frequently ask my wristwatch to "Transmute"? Do
those bears...sha la la la...in the woods?

> > You're playing with fire, little girl.
>
> Ah, Drew, you're so domly.

I think I'd make a decent top.

Andrew D. Simchik

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On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Kathryn Burlingham wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Andrew D. Simchik wrote:
>
> > Hmmm, maybe I should clarify that. I *did* have some
> > serious fun (well, from my POV; I'm not sure he agreed,

> > though he said I did great for my first real bottoming

> > (the vanilla kind, though it sure didn't feel vanilla))
>
> I think that's called Hot Fudge, dearheart.

Insert cherry joke here.

> --Kathryn, wondering if congratulations would be proper

Not as proper as seconds...

> If there's anything more predictable than a boy, I haven't met it.
> --Blossom Culp

...guess who *still* hasn't e-mailed me?

<sigh>

*MEN*.

XAOS

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Andrew D. Simchik wrote in message ...

>I think I'd make a decent top.


Well?

- Steve, waiting impatiently, hoping Drew arrives before the Nutella
dries into that nasty, Mr. Hankie-like crust

aaron pinkston

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> "OOh! Yanni!" had me rolling for, like, an hour. I still
> laugh just thinking about it.

He came to the area recently, so there's all sorts of posters and whatever around. When I
was buying blak tapes today, I saw a life-size display and clapping my hands saying
"Yanni! Yanni!" No one got it though :(

>
>
> Eric Siegel ejsi...@ucdavis.edu |
> Dept. of Political Science |
> Univ. of California, Davis | If one takes no prisoners,
> One Shields Avenue | there is no dilemma.
> Davis CA 95616 |
> (530) 752-7106 |

--
"If free I can be, I will;
if suffer I must, I can." "Fuck virginity!"
-William Faulkner (Absolom! Absolom!) -Jennifer Solomon

"The tao is everywhere. It's in the
sky, it's in this desk, it's in my "Never eat
shoes, but mostly it's in yourself." more than you can lift."
-Lisa Furukawa -Miss Piggy

Aaron Pinkston
stil...@myself.com

Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Misha MCM shared:

> But kissing str8 men is such fun!

No, not really. *wrinkles nose*

Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:

> It's the GI Joes you should fear. Funny how they
> always ended up wrestling.

Yes, well, Barbies can at least end up naked, or wearing Ken's
clothing. You can't really do that with GI Joe.

Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Jeffrey William McKeough shared:
> hypertechnological toys that keep getting announced. Does a child
> really need a doll with scanners for eyes that runs Quicken for
> Barbie?

Well, yes! I mean, Barbie thinks math is hard and can't possibly
do things on her own, so she needs all the built-in help she can get!

Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Cheryl Trooskin shared:
> Ah, Drew, you're so domly.

HA!

Joe

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Bitty wrote:
>
> Whilst procrastinating, Misha MCM shared:
>
> > But kissing str8 men is such fun!
>
> No, not really. *wrinkles nose*
>

Actually, a few of them aren't bad, if you can
get them to really give it a shot. ;-P

--Joe

------------------
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poly book reviews: http://www.polychromatic.com/
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Misha MCM

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In article <34e3c...@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, bkra...@unix.amherst.edu (Bitty)
writes:

>>Yes, well, Barbies can at least end up naked, or wearing Ken's
>>clothing. You can't really do that with GI Joe.

You could with the old ones, before they
miniaturized them.

--Misha, reminding them young whippersnappers of
the Golden Age of civilization, circa 1970.

father: Perhaps we should have shown him more love and affection.
mother: More brute force, if you ask me, dear. Like we did with Nigel.
father: Nigel died.
mother: Yes, but think what he'd have been like if he'd lived.


Misha MCM

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>Whilst procrastinating, Misha MCM shared:

>> But kissing str8 men is such fun!

> No, not really. *wrinkles nose*

You just picked the wrong one.

--Misha
Any idiot can face a crisis -- it's this day-to-day living that wears you out.


Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:
> <sigh>

> *MEN*.

*second the <sigh>*

Bitty

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Whilst procrastinating, Misha MCM shared:
> > No, not really. *wrinkles nose*

> You just picked the wrong one.

There's a *right* one?
*shudder*
I'll stay a dyke, TYVM.

Joe

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Bitty wrote:
>
> Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:
> > <sigh>
>
> > *MEN*.
>
> *second the <sigh>*

*third*

Andrew D. Simchik

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On 13 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:

> Whilst procrastinating, Cheryl Trooskin shared:
> > Ah, Drew, you're so domly.
>
> HA!

And how would you know?

Eric Siegel

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On 13 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:

> Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:
>
> > It's the GI Joes you should fear. Funny how they
> > always ended up wrestling.
>

> Yes, well, Barbies can at least end up naked, or wearing Ken's
> clothing. You can't really do that with GI Joe.

With the *good* GI Joes you can (not those cheap plastic imitations
they made into a cartoon show).

Eric Siegel ejsi...@ucdavis.edu |
Dept. of Political Science | "Tiffany must never happen again"
Univ. of California, Davis | -- Andrew Simchik
One Shields Avenue |

Darrell Manrique

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On 11 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:

> Whilst procrastinating, Darrell Manrique shared:
> > My first MOTSS kiss was when I was 19, and it was an amazing, happy thing,
> > but it was also at about 4 in the morning toward the end of a very long
>
> 4 in teh morning? aieeeeeeeeeeee.

Yes, and in an interesting cross-thread twist, Tori Amos' album Boys for
Pele was playing!

> > Neither was anywhere near an airport.
>
> *giggle* Well, let's start a sub-thread: people's first kiss
> locations. And then, alternatively, peiople's favorite kiss location.
> (Note: I was *not* the airport one.)

Well, all I'll say is that one was outside, and the other was was much
better.

dEm, already aware of the double meaning that will be read into my words

"Weird is part of the job." - Captain Janeway


Richard Jones

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On 13 Feb 98 04:03:55 GMT, bkra...@unix.amherst.edu (Bitty) wrote:

> Yes, well, Barbies can at least end up naked, or wearing Ken's
>clothing. You can't really do that with GI Joe.

You certainly can with Action Man (the Britsh equivalent). A friend of
mine recently told me how dressing her favorite military commando in
her favourite lacy dresses was one of the joys of her childhood. As a
token bit of machoness, she let him keep his rifle though.


------------
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Darrell Manrique

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On 10 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:

> >but the whole shebang (well, hebang) that followed
>
> ROFLMFFAO :) (He-Man, She-Ra, had a He-Bang?)

Eew! They were brother and sister!! AAAAAAAGH!

dEm, wondering if he should really be admitting to knowing this...

"Stumbling through life can be beautiful." - Aaron P., 1997


aaron pinkston

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Eric Siegel wrote:

> On 13 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:
>
> > Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:
> >
> > > It's the GI Joes you should fear. Funny how they
> > > always ended up wrestling.
> >

> > Yes, well, Barbies can at least end up naked, or wearing Ken's
> > clothing. You can't really do that with GI Joe.
>

> With the *good* GI Joes you can (not those cheap plastic imitations
> they made into a cartoon show).

Please, don't date yourself too much ") i mean =)

>
>
> Eric Siegel ejsi...@ucdavis.edu |
> Dept. of Political Science | "Tiffany must never happen again"
> Univ. of California, Davis | -- Andrew Simchik
> One Shields Avenue |
> Davis CA 95616 |
> (530) 752-7106 |

yeah!! I like this one toooo.

Darren

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Feb 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/15/98
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In article <34e1b...@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, bkra...@unix.amherst.edu
(Bitty) wrote:

> I knew someone once who claimed that if you went 7 years without,
> you were a born-again virgin.

I always heard it was six months. :) I guess we had to lower the
standards in the very Catholic part of Texas I lived in so that more
people could qualify and get in heaven or something.

> having one's back scratched with scruff is infinitely more
> satisfying than a brush.

I would have to agree.

> > wow. i dont think i'd ever describe any of it as earthshattering.
> :It's true. Why do you think California has so many
> :earthquakes, and Kansas so few?
>
> well, massachusetts scores a big fat zero, eh?

I don't know. So far I have scored - er - IT has scored quite well IMHO. :)

Of course, there is always room for improvement. So far it's been all guys ...

Darren, who relocated to Rhode Island from Texas about 6 months ago, and
made up for a year and a half of near-born again virginness rather quickly
once he got there (like the first weekend, yee-haw)

Bethany

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Darren <dar...@mymail.com> wrote:
>> I knew someone once who claimed that if you went 7 years without,
>> you were a born-again virgin.

> I always heard it was six months. :) I guess we had to lower the

aieeee. well, i've still never been bron-again, by those
standards. thank goodness.

>> well, massachusetts scores a big fat zero, eh?
> I don't know. So far I have scored - er - IT has scored quite well IMHO. :)

> Darren, who relocated to Rhode Island from Texas about 6 months ago, and
> made up for a year and a half of near-born again virginness rather quickly
> once he got there (like the first weekend, yee-haw)

Yeah, I seem to have fond-enough memories of rhode island ;)

Bethany

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Darrell Manrique <gree...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>> ROFLMFFAO :) (He-Man, She-Ra, had a He-Bang?)

> Eew! They were brother and sister!! AAAAAAAGH!

Well, its a disgusting concept to begin with - why on earth would
the fact theyre theyre siblings actually make it any worse? the thought
cant GET any worse!


Dawn S Friedman

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My very first kiss was MOTOS. It was at a barn dance at a coed camp,
and I'd been stumbling around to the music with this boy, hopelessly
embarrassed. When we kissed I mostly felt relief: I wasn't sixteen
yet, so I wasn't behind schedule. But for the next twenty-four
hours I thought I was madly in love with him. I must have told this
to someone (a counselor?) because I remember being told that it
was a chemically induced side-effect of the kiss, and by gum, they
were right.

My first MOTSS kiss was -- electrifying. The person I wanted, wanted
me; I was dizzy with it. But I was familiar with that dizziness; the
new thing was that it was MOTSS, and I was scared and triumphant.
Fortunately, I thought, the other person knew what she was doing....
Of course, each of us had reason to be uncertain of our ground, and
each of us was proceeding in the comfortable belief that the other
person knew what she was doing. But we didn't know that.

I have vivid memories of the first time I kissed my husband *after*
I fell in love with him. I remember perfectly what it was like the
first time I kissed my fiancee -- but I mustn't embarrass her.

--
Dawn Friedman d...@world.std.com

Arcadya2

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My first kiss WAS MOTSS. I guess I'm just *special* :) And then...MOTOS was a
few weeks later...and she was there. Ug. Both involved waaaaaaaaay too much
vodka. :)

~Arc

Sion Arrowsmith

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In article <19980218230...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

Arcadya2 <arca...@aol.com> wrote:
>My first kiss WAS MOTSS. I guess I'm just *special* :) And then...MOTOS was a
>few weeks later [ ... ]

My first kiss was MOTSS -- it was a few years (er, three or four)
before the first MOTOS. Neither was particularly special, apart
from being "firsts" -- come to think of it, I can't really say
any kiss has been special for the sake of the kiss alone, it's
always the context that makes the difference.

--
\S -- si...@chiark.greenend.org.uk -- http://www.chaos.org.uk/~sion/
___ | "... intelligence in youth, for some reason or | 88% of clowns
\X/ | another, is bad for the hair and muddies the | never fall
<*> | complexion." -- Gonfal of Naimes | in love

The Millennium Wombat

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si...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Sion Arrowsmith) writes:
Arcadya2 <arca...@aol.com> wrote:
>>My first kiss WAS MOTSS. I guess I'm just *special* :) And then...MOTOS was
>>a few weeks later [ ... ]

>My first kiss was MOTSS -- it was a few years (er, three or four)
>before the first MOTOS. Neither was particularly special, apart
>from being "firsts" -- come to think of it, I can't really say
>any kiss has been special for the sake of the kiss alone, it's
>always the context that makes the difference.

My first *real* kiss - ie snog - was with a MOTSS too. I remember
it most vividly because he had just been drinking very fresh coffee
and tasted wonderful :-)


/Jon
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Sion Arrowsmith

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Feb 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/20/98
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In article <Xrb*SE...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, I wrote:
> [ ... ] I can't really say
>any kiss has been special for the sake of the kiss alone, [ ... ]

OK, so how many people do I need to apologise to for that one?
A stronger sense of honesty than tact, when coupled with fuzzy
explanations, is a dangerous thing....

Jerbo

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aaron pinkston <stil...@myself.com> wrote in article
<34E55A6A...@myself.com>...


>
>
> Eric Siegel wrote:
>
> > On 13 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:
> >
> > > Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:
> > >
> > > > It's the GI Joes you should fear. Funny how they
> > > > always ended up wrestling.
> > >
> > > Yes, well, Barbies can at least end up naked, or wearing Ken's
> > > clothing. You can't really do that with GI Joe.
> >
> > With the *good* GI Joes you can (not those cheap plastic imitations
> > they made into a cartoon show).
>
> Please, don't date yourself too much ") i mean =)

At the risk of dating myself, GI Joe would always wind up with Ken doing
his bidding and I was convinced that the Six Million Dollar Man had
something going with the African American GI Joe Character, (sorry I know
he had a different name but I can't remember it) they always wound up
together in my toy box.


Jerre

Charlie

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Feb 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/21/98
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Sion Arrowsmith wrote:
>
> In article <Xrb*SE...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, I wrote:
> > [ ... ] I can't really say
> >any kiss has been special for the sake of the kiss alone, [ ... ]
>
> OK, so how many people do I need to apologise to for that one?
> A stronger sense of honesty than tact, when coupled with fuzzy
> explanations, is a dangerous thing....
>
Apologize for what? Your comment was accurate, succinct,
and grammatical. Or did you feel it needed "fluffing"?

Charlie fluffing the group while getting the Nutella out .
. .

aaron pinkston

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Feb 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/21/98
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> > > With the *good* GI Joes you can (not those cheap plastic imitations
> > > they made into a cartoon show).
> >
> > Please, don't date yourself too much ") i mean =)
>
> At the risk of dating myself, GI Joe would always wind up with Ken doing
> his bidding and I was convinced that the Six Million Dollar Man

They had a Six Million Dollar Man doll? When I saw it, I think it was all
reruns.

> had
> something going with the African American GI Joe Character, (sorry I know
> he had a different name but I can't remember it) they always wound up
> together in my toy box.

*The* African American GI Joe? Do you mean Roadblock or Alpine or someonelse?

Eric Siegel

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Feb 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/22/98
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On 20 Feb 1998, Jerbo wrote:
> aaron pinkston <stil...@myself.com> wrote in article
> <34E55A6A...@myself.com>...
> > Eric Siegel wrote:
> > > On 13 Feb 1998, Bitty wrote:
> > >
> > > > Whilst procrastinating, Andrew D. Simchik shared:
> > > >
> > > > > It's the GI Joes you should fear. Funny how they
> > > > > always ended up wrestling.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, well, Barbies can at least end up naked, or wearing Ken's
> > > > clothing. You can't really do that with GI Joe.
> > >
> > > With the *good* GI Joes you can (not those cheap plastic imitations
> > > they made into a cartoon show).
> >
> > Please, don't date yourself too much ") i mean =)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exactly how much is too much?
>
> At the risk of dating myself, GI Joe would always wind up with Ken doing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> his bidding and I was convinced that the Six Million Dollar Man had

> something going with the African American GI Joe Character, (sorry I know
> he had a different name but I can't remember it) they always wound up
> together in my toy box.

Boy, a lot of people seem to be dating themselves around here. Is
anyone dating someone *not* themselves?

Eric Siegel ejsi...@ucdavis.edu |
Dept. of Political Scienc |

Univ. of California, Davis | "Tiffany must never happen again"
One Shields Avenue | -- Andrew Simchik

Kelly Carpenter

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Feb 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/22/98
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My absolute first kiss was MOTOS, at 13. It had none of the
details--such as getting someone else's lipstick smeared on my
face--that made my first MOTSS kiss, two and a half years later, such a
comical and enlightening experience. Although it was pretty funny,
inasmuch as I couldn't think about it for weeks without wondering what
the hell had possessed us both to do such a thing. Kiss somebody?
Eeeuuuwww!

Later,
Kelly
--
You may not be aware of this, but I'm not working right. I need to be
repaired.

Joringli

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Feb 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/23/98
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Kelly Carpenter wrote:
>My absolute first kiss was MOTOS, at 13. It had none of the
>details--such as getting someone else's lipstick smeared on my
>face--that made my first MOTSS kiss, two and a half years later, such a
>comical and enlightening experience. Although it was pretty funny,
>inasmuch as I couldn't think about it for weeks without wondering what
>the hell had possessed us both to do such a thing. Kiss somebody?
>Eeeuuuwww!

Well, then, if we're going for absolutes, my first MOTOS kisses were over a
decade before my first MOTSS one, because I had a girlfriend when I was in
kindergarten, and we'd always kiss on the lips. I don't remember anything
special about those kisses (thank the gods!), but I do remember there was a
girl in our class who was always grossed out by it, and said so.

But the MOTSS one when I was 19 was the one I'll always remember...

Sion Arrowsmith

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Feb 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/23/98
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In article <34EE8CCE...@pcisys.net>,

Charlie <Valen...@mailcity.com> wrote:
>Sion Arrowsmith wrote:
>> In article <Xrb*SE...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, I wrote:
>> > [ ... ] I can't really say
>> >any kiss has been special for the sake of the kiss alone, [ ... ]
>> OK, so how many people do I need to apologise to for that one?
>Apologize for what? Your comment was accurate, succinct,
>and grammatical.

... and quite easy to read as insulting if you're a current or
former lover, or one of those friends who have, all things
considered, been very worthwhile kissing.

Jeliza Patterson

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Feb 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/23/98
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In article <34F0D770...@erols.com>,

Kelly Carpenter <worm...@erols.com> wrote:
>My absolute first kiss was MOTOS, at 13. It had none of the
>details--such as getting someone else's lipstick smeared on my
>face--that made my first MOTSS kiss, two and a half years later, such a

Ah, yes, the too-much-lipstick kiss. I hate that bit, actually. Maybe it
wouldn't be so bad if C and I had similar coloring and could wear the same
color lipstick, but we aren't. So my oh-so-subtle makeup job gets replaced
with exuberant smears with blue undertones that make me look consumptive,
yet messy. <sigh>. there must be a more acceptable solution to this than
just not to kiss her when her lipstick is on...

J

Gwendolyn Alden Dean

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Feb 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/25/98
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On 23 Feb 1998, Jeliza Patterson wrote:
> Ah, yes, the too-much-lipstick kiss. I hate that bit, actually. Maybe it
> wouldn't be so bad if C and I had similar coloring and could wear the same
> color lipstick, but we aren't. So my oh-so-subtle makeup job gets replaced
> with exuberant smears with blue undertones that make me look consumptive,
> yet messy. <sigh>. there must be a more acceptable solution to this than
> just not to kiss her when her lipstick is on...

Properly powdered lipstick does not deposit itself on others.


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