Apostate, we need you
Allan Adler
on this group. So I infer that he prays and therefore that he might not
be an atheist. In the thread, "who has an actual problem?", I've been asking
about venues in which atheists on this group actually have dealings with the
faithful in matters pertaining to religion, including dealings with
creationists regarding creationism. I was surprised to note that no one
mentioned contacts on newsgroups. Then Apostate arrives, apparently filling
that void.
Apostate, if you are still reading this group, do you think you could
describe yourself a little? I'd like to know, for example:
(1) What is your position on Creationism?
(2) What is your view of the Religious Right?
(3) In what sense are you an Apostate?
--
Ignorantly,
Allan Adler <a...@zurich.csail.mit.edu>
* Disclaimer: I am a guest and *not* a member of the MIT CSAIL. My actions and
* comments do not reflect in any way on MIT. Also, I am nowhere near Boston.
Apostate
> I noticed a posting by Apostate in which he offered to pray for someone
> on this group.
Evidently you don't read well, Allan.
<snip>
> Apostate, if you are still reading this group, do you think you could
> describe yourself a little? I'd like to know, for example:
> (1) What is your position on Creationism?
> (2) What is your view of the Religious Right?
> (3) In what sense are you an Apostate?
Most of those still having the patience to follow this ng could give you a precis.
--
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RonnHammonn
>
> I noticed a posting by Apostate in which he offered to pray for someone
> on this group. So I infer that he prays and therefore that he might not
> be an atheist. In the thread, "who has an actual problem?", I've been asking
> about venues in which atheists on this group actually have dealings with the
> faithful in matters pertaining to religion, including dealings with
> creationists regarding creationism. I was surprised to note that no one
> mentioned contacts on newsgroups. Then Apostate arrives, apparently filling
> that void.
>
> Apostate, if you are still reading this group, do you think you could
> describe yourself a little? I'd like to know, for example:
> (1) What is your position on Creationism?
> (2) What is your view of the Religious Right?
> (3) In what sense are you an Apostate?
> --
> Ignorantly,
> Allan Adler
Thin-skinned Adler has promised not to read my posts. If anyone is left
whom he CAN read, explain sarcasm to him.
RonnHammonn
Charles & Mambo Duckman
> I noticed a posting by Apostate in which he offered to pray for someone
> on this group.
No, you didn't.
--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
Apostate
> Thin-skinned Adler has promised not to read my posts. If anyone is left
> whom he CAN read, explain sarcasm to him.
I may pass, on the invitation to tutor anyone here, but I think you recall that
I never blackballed anyone but the obnoxious trolls, so I'm reading you. 8-)
>From a detached academic curiosity: is team moderation still in operation?
Do you have your hand in? I have not seen the regular posting of the moderation
notice in some time, when I've glanced over this way.
>
> RonnHammonn
Allan Adler
> In article <y93tzk6...@nestle.csail.mit.edu>, Allan Adler says...
>
> > I noticed a posting by Apostate in which he offered to pray for someone
> > on this group.
>
> Evidently you don't read well, Allan.
I don't know you, Apostate, or at any rate, I don't remember you.
I didn't notice a smiley in your posting, but there might have been one.
However, a smiley is polysemic and could either mean that what one has
written is not intended or that one finds what one has written amusing
for some other reason, even though it is true. So, even if there was one,
a careful reading would not necessarily have led me to conclude that you
were not serious.
For example, while writing this, I just noticed that polysemic is an anagram
of "smiley cop" :)
Anyway, Apostate, I apologize for misjudging your intentions. I'll try to
remember who you are in the future and to keep in mind that you are, in
fact, an atheist.
Nevertheless, I stand by my own intentions in my original posting: I think
it would be healthy if there were intelligent and honest non-atheists also
participating in this news group. I think it is likely that there are some
who read this group but who don't contribute any postings.
Apostate
> Apostate <godless...@yeehaw.org.invalid> writes:
>
> > In article <y93tzk6...@nestle.csail.mit.edu>, Allan Adler says...
> >
> > > I noticed a posting by Apostate in which he offered to pray for someone
> > > on this group.
> >
> > Evidently you don't read well, Allan.
>
> I don't know you, Apostate, or at any rate, I don't remember you.
> I didn't notice a smiley in your posting, but there might have been one.
> However, a smiley is polysemic and could either mean that what one has
> written is not intended or that one finds what one has written amusing
> for some other reason, even though it is true. So, even if there was one,
> a careful reading would not necessarily have led me to conclude that you
> were not serious.
>
> For example, while writing this, I just noticed that polysemic is an anagram
> of "smiley cop" :)
>
> Anyway, Apostate, I apologize for misjudging your intentions. I'll try to
> remember who you are in the future and to keep in mind that you are, in
> fact, an atheist.
>
> Nevertheless, I stand by my own intentions in my original posting: I think
> it would be healthy if there were intelligent and honest non-atheists also
> participating in this news group. I think it is likely that there are some
> who read this group but who don't contribute any postings.
Apology accepted, but a careful reading would most certainly have avoided the silly
take you had (and I /was/ serious; you just misread what I actually said.)
And we don' need no steenking smilies.
David V.
>
> Thin-skinned Adler has promised not to read my posts. If anyone is left
> whom he CAN read, explain sarcasm to him.
I doubt he would understand. No sense of humor in that guy.
--
Dave
You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents,
not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
- Abbie Hoffman
Ben Goren
> RonnHammonn wrote:
>
>> Thin-skinned Adler has promised not to read my posts. If
>> anyone is left whom he CAN read, explain sarcasm to him.
>
> I doubt he would understand. No sense of humor in that guy.
Not much sense at all, I'm afraid. His overpowering literalism and
his obsessive attention to irrelevant detail severly limit his
otherwise decent intelligence.
Cheers,
b&
--
EAC Memographer
BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
``All but God can prove this sentence true.''
Allan Adler
> For example, while writing this, I just noticed that polysemic is an anagram
> of "smiley cop" :)
Just in case there is anyone here who can't tell the difference, I considered
that a joke. What kind of humor one likes is a matter of taste.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
> Nevertheless, I stand by my own intentions in my original posting: I think
> it would be healthy if there were intelligent and honest non-atheists also
> participating in this news group. I think it is likely that there are some
> who read this group but who don't contribute any postings.
Just in case there is anyone who can't tell the difference, I was serious
about this and I think we should move forward on it. I propose that we form
a committee to post polite invitations on various newsgroups organized around
religions and invite them to send representatives to our moderated newsgroup.
If no one else wants to work on it with me, I'll do it myself. Whatever we
post, it needs to be written carefully, since we certainly don't want people
to show up here trying to convert us and we shouldn't offend people
gratuitously.
We're just seeking intelligent life from religious newsgroups to come here
and exchange ideas with us. We can explain that we don't expect miracles,
since even among the atheists on soc.atheism we have our share of
intellectually dishonest and otherwise stupid people, not to mention
lunatics, and we assume that they have similar problems. But if they
will be kind enough to look for some of their better representatives, we
will be grateful for their contributions.
Well, with equal justice, we could just go there and try to offer our
points of view, explaining that we don't have much of substance to talk
about on our own group and mostly just get on each other's nerves whenever
we try to start any kind of substantial and reasoned discussion.
Anyway, to some extent it is my own fault. I've been promising for some
time to report on the book I found on research methods in social sciences,
but I've been too busy to read it. I'll try again...
If anyone else here has a book they would like to "read out loud" by
reading it a little at a time and reporting on the points of interest
as they encounter them, I think that would be a very good thing for them
to do.
dali_70
>>and exchange ideas with us.
You've got some high hopes there pal ;)
David V.
> David V. wrote:
>
>> RonnHammonn wrote:
>>
>>> Thin-skinned Adler has promised not to read my posts.
>>> If anyone is left whom he CAN read, explain sarcasm to
>>> him.
>>
>> I doubt he would understand. No sense of humor in that guy.
>
> Not much sense at all, I'm afraid. His overpowering literalism
> and his obsessive attention to irrelevant detail severly
> limit his otherwise decent intelligence.
That's exactly why he's in my killfile.
RonHammon
>
> In article <47B9A8...@hiwaay.nyet>, RonnHammonn says...
snip
>
> >From a detached academic curiosity: is team moderation still in operation?
> Do you have your hand in? I have not seen the regular posting of the moderation
> notice in some time, when I've glanced over this way.
>
I'm unsure. Posts seem to show up too quickly to be moderated. I've
changed machines twice and ISPs twice since I was on the team. I've
forgotten how to check anything. I need to change my unmunged address.
RonnHammonn
Apostate
The moderation-specific headers surely indicate that moderation is
in technical effect, (notwithstanding the speed of turnaround,) not
saying anything about the actual human contribution to that.
I was only asking whether there was still group participation in that.
Oh, and, I'm not sure if I read you correctly about this, so disregard
if I don't: I found it a tad dizzying to find the way to register a
munged address, but finally managed, so in case you want the (relatively)
easy route to figuring that out, de-mung my reply addy and ask me. :-)
<rhetorical>
Do you actually rely on an ISP for your e-mail?
</rhetorical>
Nils Järvinen
>
> Ben Goren wrote:
>> David V. wrote:
>>
>>> RonnHammonn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thin-skinned Adler has promised not to read my posts.
>>>> If anyone is left whom he CAN read, explain sarcasm to
>>>> him.
>>>
>>> I doubt he would understand. No sense of humor in that guy.
>>
>> Not much sense at all, I'm afraid. His overpowering literalism
>> and his obsessive attention to irrelevant detail severly
>> limit his otherwise decent intelligence.
>
> That's exactly why he's in my killfile.
Please stop complaining on Allan Adler. He is the
one who tries to retain som quality level in this
newsgoup. In my opinion he is also polite and to
th point.
nils.
David V.
Apostate
> Nils Järvinen wrote:
> > David V. wrote:
> > Please stop complaining on Allan Adler. He is the one who tries to
> > retain som quality level in this newsgoup. In my opinion he is also
> > polite and to th point.
> > nils.
> >
> No.
If folks wouldn't mind, I don't care to stay in the subject line of
this thread. I don't care what direction it turns, or who says what,
but it's uncomfortable to see my nick in the subject. Carry on if
you like, but call it something else.
David V.
>>
>
> If folks wouldn't mind, I don't care to stay in the subject line of
> this thread. I don't care what direction it turns, or who says what,
> but it's uncomfortable to see my nick in the subject. Carry on if
> you like, but call it something else.
OK.
Sorry, i couldn't resist.