Jacobs Cattle bean vs. Anasazi bean

[Big Jim]

While they look similar they are different beans.

Big Jim

Jacob's Cattle (from www.itt.edu)

Common Names

Jacob's Cattle
Also called Trout bean, Coach Dog bean, Dalmatian bean, and Torellen
(German).

Visual Characteristics
These brightly patterned bean seeds are shiny, milky white with
splashes of deep maroon-- the pattern resembling the hide of spotted
Hereford cattle, and often covering up to 75% of the beans surface.
Growing Characteristics

Jacobs cattle is a bush bean with 50-90 days to harvest
For collecting seeds: Allow pods to dry on plant, and then break open
to collect seeds. Once properly cleaned, seeds can be successfully stored

History of Plant
Jacob's Cattle are heirloom beans dating back to the 1700's. Their
origin is unknown for sure but a few stories exist. One is that Jacob's
Cattle beans arrived in the United States with German settlers who called
them Toreiien.1 Another legend is that the Passamaquoddy Indians in Maine
originally cultivated the bean, and it is told that New Englander's named
the bean after the story in the Book of Genesis of Jacob's spotted cattle.

Pharmacology

"Bean pods are effective in lowing blood sugar levels and can be used
(with the concurrence of a doctor) for mild cases of diabetes. A bean pod
diet for this purpose would mean eating 9-16 lb. of pods per week (they can
be cooked like vegetables). The pods are most effective before the beans are
ripe, and fresh pods are more effective than dried. Dried pods are
particularly to be used in conjunction or rotation with other efficacious
herbs, such as bilberry, milfoil, dandelion, and juniper. These can be taken
alone or mixed, as a tea. Bean pod tea is useful for dropsy, sciatica,
chronic rheumatism, kidney and bladder problems, uric acid accumulations,
and loss of albumin in the urine during pregnancy. Externally, promotes
healing of ulcers and sores. Prolonged use of the decoction made from the
beans is recommended for difficult cases of acne. Bean meal can also be
applied directly to the skin for moist eczema, eruptions, and itching. Wash
the skin every 2-3 hours with German chamomile tea and apply new meal. Use
anywhere from 2 tbsp. to 3 handfuls of dried small-cut pods with I qt.
water. Boil for 3 hours. Take 1/2 to 3/4 qt. per day."

Anasazi beans (from www.anasazibeans.com)

The Anasazi were Indians who lived in the four corners area (now
Colorado, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico) dating back to 130 A.D. The are best
identified with their substantial architectural achievements known today as
"cliff dwellings". Mesa Verde National Park, Hovenweep, Canyon de Chelly and
many other dwelling that dot the arid countryside, represent these
structures. "Anasazi" is a Navajo word perhaps best translated as "the
ancient ones".

Anasazi beans were one of the few crops cultivated by the Anasazi.
They were found in the ruins by settlers to the four corners area in the
early 1900's. Presently they are grown at 7,000 ft. elevation on the same
land the Anasazi inhabited.

Anasazi beans are considered an unusually tasty baking bean, very
scrumptious with ham and flavorful in Mexican dishes. This sweeter and
mealier bean will allow many culinary delights! They also contain 75% less
of the gas-causing carbohydrates compared to pinto beans!

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[Bruce Cook]

Dang bean shipping is high. I put together an order for Anasazi, Bolita, and
Pinto beans and a bag of popcorn with a shipping weight of 17 lbs. The order
is $20.35 and shipping is $29.05. Shipping runs $9 more than the order cost.
Are the beans worth it? The could probably ship cheaper with the USPS Flat
Rate boxes. I can ship 60lbs of lead in a large FRB for $14 or so.

Bruce
br...@bdbbq.com

Big Jim

Common Names

Pharmacology

Anasazi beans (from www.anasazibeans.com)

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[Bill Martin]

Bruce, 

I've run into that a few times.  If you call them and ask them to ship via Flat Rate box, some companies will do that.

Bill

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[JohnDouglas]

Where are you ordering it from?

Best,

John

[Bruce Cook]

Www.anasazibeans.com

Bruce
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[tmorro never knows]

I will defer to Bee Jay on the Anasazi vs. Jacobs bean issue.  I was just sufin' the ol' web and came across the article.  I've never seen an Anasazi bean in my life.  Just thought you folks would enjoy the article.

Paul

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To: smoker...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 6:36:20 PM

[JohnDouglas]

That's where I get Anasazi, but I order 20 pounds at a time and store
them in a seal-able 5 gallon bucket. You are right, shipping is 16
dollars, but I don't order pinto beans, they are everywhere here.

Best,

John

On 3/25/2011 8:36 PM, Bruce Cook wrote:
> Www.anasazibeans.com <http://Www.anasazibeans.com>
>
> Bruce
> br...@bdbbq.com <mailto:br...@bdbbq.com>
>
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>
> *From: *JohnDouglas <JohnD...@cox.net>*
> To: *smoker...@googlegroups.com*
> Sent: *Sat, Mar 26, 2011 01:20:20 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *Re: [BBQ] Jacobs Cattle bean vs. Anasazi bean

[David Mitchell]

Does Adobe Mills hold the patent on the name "Anasazi" or do they hold the bean as a patent? I have searched a lot for the seed to plant, but can not find that name bean. Could be that I haven't look everywhere, so maybe someone else maybe able to find seed.

Thanks

David

[John Shotsky]

No patent - they are native to the US southwest. Lots of sellers on eBay. You can also probably find them at any natural foods store. I'd guess Whole Foods has them too.

 

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[Bill Martin]

On Apr 2, 2011, at 8:33 AM, David Mitchell wrote:

Does Adobe Mills hold the patent on the name "Anasazi" or do they hold the bean as a patent? I have searched a lot for the seed to plant, but can not find that name bean. Could be that I haven't look everywhere, so maybe someone else maybe able to find seed.

Thanks

David

I Googled, and you might want to look for these beans under these names:  anasazi bean is also called the Aztec bean, Cave bean, New Mexico appaloosa and sometimes Jacob's Cattle.  (But that last bean is from Germany, looks similar in coloration, but is a longer, slimmer bean.)

Marx Foods:  http://liten.be//OAkaT

Try Amazon.com

I get mine, much less expensive from the HEB grocery store.

Bill

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. 
……...Albert Einstein 

[Bill Martin]

Lots of Grocery store chains also carry them with the Adobe Mills brand name.  HEB does, and Safeway does, (at least in Hawaii).  HEB here in Fredericksburg stopped carrying them, and I just asked the store manager to keep them on the shelf, and now they are back and restocked regularly.  Last time I was in, there were only two 1 lb bags, so I grabbed them both.  BUT…  I have fed them to many of my neighbors at our Cookouts, and now they are asking for them instead of the standard Texas pinto.  (Stores here sell pintos in 20 lb bags!!!!   That's like rice is sold in Hawaii. [except in Hawaii, Inode rice is sold in 50 lb bags!])

Bill

On Apr 2, 2011, at 8:57 AM, John Shotsky wrote:

No patent - they are native to the US southwest. Lots of sellers on eBay. You can also probably find them at any natural foods store. I'd guess Whole Foods has them too.

Well, that didn't work out. I thought I'd turn my house into a coffeeshop and intellectual salon. Everyone said my logic was bad and my arguments sucked. I had to shut it down because it had gotten a reputation as a house of ill refute.

.....Scot Murphy

[David Mitchell]

Thanks all no help on HEB i'm in Indiana also Whole Foods here don't carry. I found cheaper seed than e-bay, but could I use the ones from Adoba foods to plant.I hav't ordered yet.

[David Mitchell]

Also on using beans from bag for seed I meant any dry bean
.

[Big Jim]

I planted over a quart of those beans I got last year and it looks like every one of them came up. This is less than half what I planted.

BeeJay

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[Bill Martin]

On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:51 AM, David Mitchell wrote:

but could I use the ones from Adoba foods to plant.

I believe that's what Big Jim did.  Just save out a handful and plant them.  That's what I'm gonna do.

Bill

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

[Kevin Cleek]

You gonna need some support for those vines, or are they bush-type?

Kevin

On 4/2/2011 10:03 AM, Big Jim wrote:
> I planted over a quart of those beans I got last year and it looks like
> every one of them came up. This is less than half what I planted.
> BeeJay
>
> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* David Mitchell <mailto:davm...@gmail.com>
> *To:* smoker...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:smoker...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [BBQ] Jacobs Cattle bean vs. Anasazi bean

>
> Thanks all no help on HEB i'm in Indiana also Whole Foods here don't
> carry. I found cheaper seed than e-bay, but could I use the ones
> from Adoba foods to plant.I hav't ordered yet.
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Bill Martin
> <bma...@island-styles.com <mailto:bma...@island-styles.com>> wrote:
>
> Lots of Grocery store chains also carry them with the Adobe
> Mills brand name. HEB does, and Safeway does, (at least in
> Hawaii). HEB here in Fredericksburg stopped carrying them, and I
> just asked the store manager to keep them on the shelf, and now
> they are back and restocked regularly. Last time I was in, there

> were only two 1 lb bags, so I grabbed them both. BUT� I have fed

> them to many of my neighbors at our Cookouts, and now they are
> asking for them instead of the standard Texas pinto. (Stores
> here sell pintos in 20 lb bags!!!! That's like rice is sold in
> Hawaii. [except in Hawaii, Inode rice is sold in 50 lb bags!])
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2011, at 8:57 AM, John Shotsky wrote:
>
>> No patent - they are native to the US southwest. Lots of
>> sellers on eBay. You can also probably find them at any
>> natural foods store. I'd guess Whole Foods has them too.
>
> Well, that didn't work out. I thought I'd turn my house into a
> coffeeshop and intellectual salon. Everyone said my logic was
> bad and my arguments sucked. I had to shut it down because it
> had gotten a reputation as a house of ill refute.
> .....Scot Murphy
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[Robert King]

I think some say they are and some say they are bush. I'm going to be planting some probably after my peas are done. BJ's will be up good by then. He's our tester.

Robert King

On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Kevin Cleek wrote:

> You gonna need some support for those vines, or are they bush-type?
>
> Kevin
>
> On 4/2/2011 10:03 AM, Big Jim wrote:
>> I planted over a quart of those beans I got last year and it looks like
>> every one of them came up. This is less than half what I planted.
>> BeeJay
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* David Mitchell <mailto:davm...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* smoker...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:smoker...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:51 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [BBQ] Jacobs Cattle bean vs. Anasazi bean
>>
>> Thanks all no help on HEB i'm in Indiana also Whole Foods here don't
>> carry. I found cheaper seed than e-bay, but could I use the ones
>> from Adoba foods to plant.I hav't ordered yet.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Bill Martin
>> <bma...@island-styles.com <mailto:bma...@island-styles.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Lots of Grocery store chains also carry them with the Adobe
>> Mills brand name. HEB does, and Safeway does, (at least in
>> Hawaii). HEB here in Fredericksburg stopped carrying them, and I
>> just asked the store manager to keep them on the shelf, and now
>> they are back and restocked regularly. Last time I was in, there

>> were only two 1 lb bags, so I grabbed them both. BUT… I have fed

[Kurt Lucas]

Try Bob’s Red Mill. They are a local Oregon company. The owner just died last year and willed the company to its employees. Gotta love that!

http://www.bobsredmill.com/product.php?productid=5037&cat=105&page=1

 

Kurt

[tmorro never knows]

Anything besides the sweetness and lack of soaking required that recommends these beans?  Seem very popular on the list and curious about that.  I will try them sometime this summer, but just looking for peoples' opinions/comments.

Thank you

Paul

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Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 11:58:34 AM
Subject: RE: [BBQ] Jacobs Cattle bean vs. Anasazi bean

Try Bob’s Red Mill. They are a local Oregon company. The owner just died last year and willed the company to its employees. Gotta love that!

http://www.bobsredmill.com/product.php?productid=5037&cat=105&page=1

 

Kurt

 

From: smoker...@googlegroups.com [mailto:smoker...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 6:34 AM
To: smoker...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [BBQ] Jacobs Cattle bean vs. Anasazi bean

 

Does Adobe Mills hold the patent on the name "Anasazi" or do they hold the bean as a patent? I have searched a lot for the seed to plant, but can not find that name bean. Could be that I haven't look everywhere, so maybe someone else maybe able to find seed.

Thanks

David

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:41 AM, JohnDouglas <JohnD...@cox.net> wrote:

That's where I get Anasazi, but I order 20 pounds at a time and store them in a seal-able 5 gallon bucket. You are right, shipping is 16 dollars, but I don't order pinto beans, they are everywhere here.

Best,

John

On 3/25/2011 8:36 PM, Bruce Cook wrote:

Www.anasazibeans.com <http://www.anasazibeans.com/>

Bruce
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[Big Jim]

Some say they do some say the don't, so that's what the corn between the
bean rows is for.
In the picture you can see the corn . it is just taller than the beans.

BeeJay
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[Bill Martin]

On Apr 2, 2011, at 2:42 PM, tmorro never knows wrote:

Anything besides the sweetness and lack of soaking required that recommends these beans? 

Yes.

They contain an enzyme that increases a man's output of sexual pheromones, as well as increasing his stamina verve and vitality in the sack.

They will make the ugliest man enormously attractive to the opposite sex.

One serving a day will generate LUCK, so if you go to Vegas you are guaranteed to win at every game of chance.

Jeopardy won't even make you appear on the show, they will just send you the prize money to your home address.

Foreign Car Dealers will drop off the latest luxury model at your curbside.

Dogs and cats will automatically love you and want to move in with you.

After 3 servings of these beans, it will be discovered that you are the long lost heir to a European Monarchy.

Oh, and one other side effect.  No Gas.

Bill

 "I don't necessarily agree with everything I say."

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[tmorro_ne...@yahoo.com]

Oh ok. Thot there was something special.

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[Bill Martin]

The only REAL thing in that list is the last item.

Really.

<GRIN>

None of that: "quick honey, look under the covers."

Bill

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[tmorro never knows]

Dang, had my hopes up for a second there.

paul

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[Bill Martin]

Many folks who have been on Pintos most of their lives, switch when introduced to the Anasazi.

Try 'em.  Let us know what you think.

They cook up quicker, sweeter, nuttier, better tasting, and don't get mushy so fast.

(hmmm.  may try making some refritos with these.)

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[tmorro never knows]

Aight, next time I do messikin food, I'll do these beans.  

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[Bill Martin]

No.  Don't wait.  BBQ is the real home of these beans.  But Messican/Tex-Mex/Carib.  Its all good.

Bill

On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:58 PM, tmorro never knows wrote:

Aight, next time I do messikin food, I'll do these beans.  

Speak softly, and wear loud shorts!

[David Mitchell]

Thanks for the help. Also in my searchs I found an anasazi sweet corn seed google anasazi sweet corn seed and you will get a few companies that carry seed for that. Red Mill is higher on shipping than Adoba Mills. But red mill priducts is carried in some of our local stores. Thanks all  

[Robert King]

That explains it! And here I thought it was all just me. Know I know why my wife was writing thank you notes to Adobe Milling...

Robert King

[Robert King]

I made some refried beans last month with them and turned out excellent. Louisiana beans and rice also. Came out great.

Robert King

[Bill Martin]

Sheesh.  Makes me wonder what some people expect from a BEAN.  Even an exceptional bean.

ROFL!!!!

Bill

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