Small research project on SP network group???

[amacgillivray]

A colleague keeps encouraging me to write a paper for a looming
deadline (mid August) about social technologies and learning, and he
recently suggested I might consider Smart People as the focus. I don't
really need another pro bono project, but if I could get a handle on
something worthwhile, I would probably go ahead with a modest chunk of
research, probably survey-based with some open ended questions given
the timelines. It could be helpful for our SP initiative, too.

If I go ahead, would you participate if it took less than an hour of
your time?

I welcome your ideas about focus. Some of mine are
The complex and emergent nature of the networks (both human and
technical).
How we are negotiating our ways through that complexity.
Demographics: some might think we are all <30 (unless they saw Boris'
workload)
What the experience means to us and why we are engaged.

Thank you very much for responding,
Alice

[Jerry Ash]

Hi Alice.

If you are asking me, you can count on it.

Jerry

[Daniel Felix Delgado]

Hi Alice,

You can count on me. It would be nice if you could associate kind of a value driven perspective also. I think we all share some similar values.

Cheers,

Daniel

[johnsveitch]

Hello Alice,

I've become very interested both on who is and who isn't engaged, and
why?

My conclusion is that certain groups of people, not immediately
obvious ones are heavily DRIVEN to be engaged. Happy to explain more
later.

Here is some research which I'm just finishing. (All of the data not
in yet.)
http://www.ate.co.nz/internet/survey2009.html

Lots of detail there to get you thinking, and to shatter a few pipe
dreams.

Regards
John

[Jack Ring]

When applied to learning, social technologies either sharpen differences or highlight 'like minds' neither of which creates much mutual knowledge. It would be useful to identify the few criteria that signal knowledge exchange among humans then remark on how well example social technologies are fit for that purpose.  Smart People learn how to foment real dialogue. Probably youall know better than I but I am unaware of any social technology that gracefully encourages dialogue.

Onward,

Jack Ring

[amacgillivray]

For the purposes of this potential paper, are you thinking of levels
and types of engagement within our small group or on a broader scale,
John?

On Jun 23, 8:43 pm, johnsveitch <john.s.vei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Alice,
>
> I've become very interested both on who is and who isn't engaged, and
> why?
>
> My conclusion is that certain groups of people, not immediately
> obvious ones are heavily DRIVEN to be engaged. Happy to explain more
> later.
>
> Here is some research which I'm just finishing. (All of the data not

> in yet.)http://www.ate.co.nz/internet/survey2009.html

[John S Veitch (OFL)]

amacgillivray wrote:

For the purposes of this potential paper, are you thinking of levels
and types of engagement within our small group or on a broader scale,
John?
  

Regarding this work, the question in my mind was "How do the people who live in my street use the Internet". Because it's local, I got a very high response rate. Because I've done a little of this work before I didn't choose a randomly selected person. I chose, I let the household choose, the most Internet connected person in the household. So my statistics are very good, the level of co-operation was high, (the most internet active person in the household was usually keen to help) but the data is hoplessly biased towards the high end user.

Or is it? Look at what I believe are woeful results.

Here is some research which I'm just finishing. (All of the data not
> in yet.)http://www.ate.co.nz/internet/survey2009.html

The median (high user self selected) broadband user of the Internet, gets 4 emails a day, writes 2 emails a week, goes to their Internet bank 3 times a week, searches Google twice a month. Never watches video, never reads an online newspaper, and never publishes anything online. The Median user is in zero, social networks. Only 10% of these users are in any groups that allow discussion.

The Super-Highway to the Information Age sits on the desktop, but it isn't used.
So why is that?

This data rubbishes almost everything most of us believe about the Internet. It make nonsense of the moves being made in developed counties everywhere, at huge expense,  to bring broadband to every home.  What for?  So they can get double their use: get 8 emails a day.

Thinking hats on.
Regards
John

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[Jerry Ash]

John.

I am very interested in this research you are doing -- particularly
this:

"They use the Internet to assist the them in the life they are
currently living."

That's a very significant finding for Smart People and would make a
very good story when you are ready.

Jerry

[Tia Carr Williams]

Count me in.

 

Tia

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[Jerry Ash]

John.

This is disturbing stuff and worthy of an article in Smart People. How
soon could that be?

Jerry

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[Ski...@aol.com]

John, Jerry, et al...

 

Those stats really look suspicious.  It gives the impression that 'digital' is not all that 'digital' after all...    There must be a point in all this...   "...4 emails a day, writes 2 emails a week, goes to their Internet bank 3 times a week, searches Google twice a month."???  

 

It seems similar to "having a Ferrari in your garage, and just taking it out for grocery shopping"...

 

Sounds really isolated...

Skip

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[Rhino-neill]

I would contribute Alice.

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[Jerry Ash]

Hi Skip.

I like your analogy. However, when I think of all my tennis friends
here in this retirement community -- while they are wired, they would
fit the profile John found. Maybe it's an age thing.

Jerry

On Jun 25, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Ski...@aol.com wrote:

> John, Jerry, et al...
>
> Those stats really look suspicious. It gives the impression that
> 'digital' is not all that 'digital' after all... There must be a
> point in all this... "...4 emails a day, writes 2 emails a week,
> goes to their Internet bank 3 times a week, searches Google twice a
> month."???
>
> It seems similar to "having a Ferrari in your garage, and just
> taking it out for grocery shopping"...
>
> Sounds really isolated...
> Skip
> Skip Boettger
> Chief/Senior/Lead Enterprise Business Architect
> Chief Knowledge Discipline Architect
> Independent Consultant

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[John S Veitch (OFL)]

Hello Jerry and Skip

Skip, the data is VERY reliable. 13% refusal rate. 135 houses visited from a total set of 204. All houses were places in six sets  in order to  protect the identity of the participants and to  randomise the data collection.

The people chosen in each houes were NOT randomly chosen, the respondant was the MOST active Internet person in that house. So when the mean statistics of these people are so poor, the real mean for a randomly selected group would be far lower again.

It troubles me now that I first discovered this unfortunate result 6 years ago, and I got a lot of responses like your own Skip. "This can't be right; the sample is too small; your results are nonsense." That sample was very small, only 14 houses.

The problem is that those of us who are heavily involved online only know what sort of things we are doing.

I can tell you another rather shocking reality. People who work in IT, professionally, must be the worst networkers in the world. The have very small personal networks and their networks are almost exclusively with people inside the industry. These people are often the KEY people making policy both inside firms and in the government.

In 2002-2003 when NZ was preparing it's Digital Strategy (Following Canada's example) I was very active on a "civil society" committee seeking to have input into the plan. My point then was that without public education the Digital Strategy would fail.   We'll it did fail, led by the wrong people and trying to do the wrong things. All technology and no soft skills.

I like your Ferrari in the garage idea Skip.  Exactly right.

I say; "The Internet Super-Highway sits on the desk: but we choose to use the familiar walking track."

People change how they do things slowly.

Here's a test: Ask 25 people if they read their online news from RSS Feeds in a news reader. You'll get 25 "no" replies.
Actually 20 of them won't even know what a news reader is.

Regards
John

Ski...@aol.com wrote:

John, Jerry, et al...

 

Those stats really look suspicious.  It gives the impression that 'digital' is not all that 'digital' after all...    There must be a point in all this...   "...4 emails a day, writes 2 emails a week, goes to their Internet bank 3 times a week, searches Google twice a month."???  

 

It seems similar to "having a Ferrari in your garage, and just taking it out for grocery shopping"...

 

Sounds really isolated...

Skip

Skip Boettger

Chief/Senior/Lead Enterprise Business Architect

Chief Knowledge Discipline Architect

Independent Consultant

IT Toolbox KM Pragmatics Blog

http://www.gtra.org/blogs/skip-boettger

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In a message dated 6/25/2009 10:38:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, geral...@verizon.net writes:

John.

This is disturbing stuff and worthy of an article in Smart People. How 
soon could that be?

Jerry

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[Ski...@aol.com]

 

John,

 

Thank you for the eMail.  I did not doubt your results at all.  It really does state that  "'digital' is not all that 'digital' after all... ".

 

And I have to admit...  like many of us have experienced.  "Change is slow to come..."   I was recently at a GTRA Event...  and they did a 'social networking' experiment with a company called Mingle360.  Actually an ingenious idea for contact automation, but it was fascinating how many people will 'say' they want to do something like 'social network', and then clam up at the opportunity. 

 

Bizarre and interesting...

Skip

 

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