Autocad Electrical 2016 Serial Number

[Prisc Chandola]

Hello, I am having some trouble trying to find out how to format line numbers for the side of my electrical drawing and need some help. When setting up a ladder the sheet number comes after the line number. Is there a location where this can be configured? I have checked the drawing properties, insert ladder config options as shown in the screen shots below ,but I cannot find anything that will do the trick.

Hi Jim, Thanks for you help. I have a blank 'test' sheet in a 'test' project that this is happening to and have been completely deleting the old ladder and generating a new one. I tried the renumbering as you suggested to without any success. The revise ladder selection confirmed that my configuration is correct eg %S%N. Something must be overwriting it. Weird.

I've tried diagnosing this for you and the only thing I can come up with is that the block used to create the ladder was modified in some way. The revise ladder command isn't used to change the wire number format used on it - that's determined by the block (WD_MLRH6, WD_MLRH7, WD_MLRV, etc) inserted and where the attributes are located. The only thing the revise ladder command can do is change the numbering itself. I'd check those block files and make sure the sheet and number attributes are located where they should be - I think you're using WD_MLRH6 if you want the sheet and rung number like 0100, 0101, etc.

From the above tests it looks like it has something to do with the project template that I am using. everything else works fine from this template except for this line number problem. I'm not sure where to go from here apart from rebuilding my project template. I have asked for direct support from Autodesk which I am expecting a call tomorrow.

I can see that the ladder block, WD_MLRH6, is not what it should be. I've attached the block that comes default as a reference to compare against the one in your default symbol directory. Modify the one in your symbol library if you are not using a library from a shared resource.

I can see in the 'as' library drawing 'wd_mlrh6' has 'rungfirst' before, 'sheet' and the one that you sent has 'sheet' before 'rungfirst' which looks to me that the order is not configurable and also explains why I could not find specific settings for the ladder numbering.

I'm glad to hear that was the problem. I wasn't sure as first what the 'AS' library was but after a little research it seems like it's an Australian version? Did you modify your file to correct the problem?

I'd be curious to see if Autodesk Support would come to the same conclusion, if they get around to it. That's what makes these forums a great place - you get real world users helping others relatively quickly.

Nearly 3 years later and this same issue caught me out again. Thought that it might have been fixed. I thought I would put it up as an idea that could get voted on, however I can't find the section where you put the ideas on, can anyone direct me to the area where this can be raised? Might not get much traction being only limited to 'AS' library users, however it is more of a bug than an idea.

I have a power supply component that the Neutral terminal and the DC common terminal somehow are connected together. When I change the wire number on either one they both change. I have edited the terminal and both terminals have different attributes. The nuetral terminal is X1TERM02 and the common terminal is X1TERM07. When I delete the wire going into either terminal then I can change the wire numbers separately. Does any have any idea how to fix this? I attached the file if you want to look at it.

Brad Coleman, Electrical Draftsman
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This almost sounds like a feature to me. There are sometimes we want to insert a block as a parent and have it's wire numbers carried through multiple child blocks. Specifically in power distribution where we use a distribution block that is not a multi-level terminal. Basically, we put down the parent 3-phase distribution block following the disconnect with a couple of wires with source arrows going off to one page, then we drop a child 3-phase distribution block with wires with and source arrows going off to feed another branch. And we continue on this way for as many branch feeds we need or up to the maximum for the distribution block.

If you are not aware of it and just copy the connection point without modifying the attribute name, you will get the problem being posted about. A problem like this would tend to stump most new users and those who aren't aware of this behaviour.

Using X?TERM01 twice will pass the wire number but it will also associate two separate wired connections with the same TERM01 (pin assignment) attribute, meaning that both wires will show up in a from/to list as being connected to the same connection point on the device (i.e. L1, 13, 14, etc.). The best method to use to pass a wire number (potential) through from one wire connection to another is the WD_JUMPERS attribute. This allows you to link two or more wire connections together at the same potential (wire number). You need to add an attribute to the symbol using Symbol Builder or by editing the block directly. If you only need the jumpers to apply to one instance of a symbol that is already inserted, use the Add Attribute command to add an attribute named WD_JUMPERS to that symbol only and not the library symbol. The value of the attribute would be something like ((01 04)) where 01 represents TERM01 and 04 represents TERM04. This instructs AutoCAD Electrical to treat TERM01 and TERM04 as one electrical node, or at the same potential, thus passing any wire number assignment across from one to the other. I use this on my custom Flex I/O modules to pass the DC+ and DC common. I have a WD_JUMPERS attribute with the values of the attributes containing 1794-TB3 terminal pin assignments 34 and 51 to pass DC+ and from 16 to 33 to pass DC common.

I have successfully setup pass through terminals and internally jumpered terminals in a block before. What we are doing is putting down a distribution block parent with 3phase wiring and then putting down multiple child distribution blocks that we want to automatically carry the wire numbers from the parent block. These child blocks will reside on both the same sheet and on separate sheets.

We're migrating to AutoCAD Electrical 2010 from a different system (because it's supposed to save us time) and we are trying to keep the same BOM layout. What we had done before was use item numbers for all the different components and purchase the items off the bill. ACADE apparently doesn't do item numbers for the schematic and pneumatic drawings and I was wondering if anyone else had this issue and what workarounds they had for it.

What we're currently doing is exporting the panel terminals, panel components, and parent components into Excel. Then we number everything manually. Everything is then imported back into ACADE. Then we generate a full panel bill (with the unreferenced schematic components) in normal tallied mode. We were thinking of adding pneumatic components to this bill as well, but it looks like we'll have to separate those from the parent component list in Excel, number them separately, import them back into ACADE, and generate a separate pneumatic bill. As you can see, this is tedious (and does not save time). I'm hoping some of you have better ideas.

I'm not quote sure what you are missing. AutoCAD Electrical allows item numbers to be assigned at schematic level and they will feed-forward to the panel layout. Or you can just wait and assign all in the panel layout. You can even assign item numbers to sub-assembly parts starting with version 2009. The ballooning tool in version 2010 will even insert two, three, or more balloons if it finds multiple item numbers assigned to one panel symbol, such as a fuse and fuse holder, each with a unique item number. Furthermore, starting in version 2011 you can have AutoCAD Electrical automatically assign item numbers alphabetically according to the manufacturer. All AB parts appear first in a BOM, ABB would be numbered next, etc. This way your purchaser has all the parts for each vendor listed together. I have made extensive use of the item numbering since the late 90s.

Is there a way to automatically assign item numbers? As far as I've found, I have to manually insert a number for each item which will then show up on the bill. Our old system would generate the numbers for us according to part number. If I manually assign part numbers in the schematic, I don't believe it automatically assigns the same part number to all other like parts in the schematic and the potential for me to have different item numbers for the same part number is pretty high.

AutoCAD Electrical allows you to either assign items numbers manually or automatically. Once an item number has been assigned to a particular MFG and CAT combination, it cannot be assigned to any other MFG and CAT combination. The program can also find if a particular MFG and CAT combination has already been assigned an item number and it will allow you to reuse this item number for another symbol that is the same.

If you use the Resequence Item Number tool (see attached screen shot) AutoCAD Electrical will automatically assign item numbers. In version 2010 and previous the item numbers are assigned more or less in order of their location on a drawing. AutoCAD Electrical 2011 allows more flexibility. You can set it to assign according to manufacturer name across the entire project so all item numbers for AB are together sequentially, all for ABB are together, etc. Version 2011 is the best version to date. It's a bit faster than version 2010 and features a completely enhanced catalog lookup system with virtually unlimited filter combinations for lookups, and of course the item numbering improvements.

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