Second Life address on VDay.org
Ina Centaur
Rekka Berchot
Last I knew you were PREPRODUCTION...your role is complete.
So has there been a change that nobody has been notified of?
It seems to me something is going on behind the scenes that smells
http://events.vday.org/2008/World/Second_Life_(TVM)
Lauren Weyland
We will need a meeting asap to discuss the feasibility of this project now that so much as changed.
Lauren
ToryLynn Writer
Your suppositions are correct. Ina was preproduction, and she is also
working as costume design under the auspices of Calliope and Allie. I
have spoken to Ina regarding the contact information through V-Day and
how it is no longer appropriate that she be listed as organizer of the
event, but she has ignored this and supplied the organization with
false information. I have contacted V-Day regarding this and am
waiting for a reply. If it comes down to it, I will be asking V-Day
if we may create a new Second Life group proceed from there.
TL
On Jan 14, 6:54 am, "Lauren Weyland" <lauren.weyl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't even know who these people are? Who is Prospero Lane and why is he
> the head of the steering committee? And my understanding was the same as
> Rekka's that Ina had satisfied her role as preproduction and had no further
> input on this side. I had been told that ToryLynn had gotten Vday
> persmission and from this point on everything would proceed from her
> permission.
>
> We will need a meeting asap to discuss the feasibility of this project now
> that so much as changed.
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
>
> > Why is your name on this Ina? Why are you the contact person?
> > Last I knew you were PREPRODUCTION...your role is complete.
> > So has there been a change that nobody has been notified of?
> > It seems to me something is going on behind the scenes that smells
>
>
> > >http://events.vday.org/2008/World/Second_Life_(TVM)<http://events.vday.org/2008/World/Second_Life_%28TVM%29>- Hide quoted text -
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Elizabeth Stenger
Rekka and Lauren
Your suppositions are correct. Ina was preproduction, and she is also
working as costume design under the auspices of Calliope and Allie. I
have spoken to Ina regarding the contact information through V-Day and
how it is no longer appropriate that she be listed as organizer of the
event, but she has ignored this and supplied the organization with
false information. I have contacted V-Day regarding this and am
waiting for a reply. If it comes down to it, I will be asking V-Day
if we may create a new Second Life group proceed from there.
TL
On Jan 14, 6:54am, "Lauren Weyland" <lauren.weyl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I don't even know who these people are? Who is Prospero Lane and why is he
> the head of the steering committee? And my understanding was the same as
> Rekka's that Ina had satisfied her role as preproduction and had no further
> input on this side. I had been told that ToryLynn had gotten Vday
> persmission and from this point on everything would proceed from her
> permission.
>
> We will need a meeting asap to discuss the feasibility of this project now
> that so much as changed.
>
> Lauren
>> On Jan 14, 2008 9:37 AM, Rekka Berchot <rekkaberc...@gmail.com> wrote:> > On Jan 14, 2008 1:14 AM, Ina Centaur <ina.cent...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why is your name on this Ina? Why are you the contact person?
> > Last I knew you were PREPRODUCTION...your role is complete.
> > So has there been a change that nobody has been notified of?
> > It seems to me something is going on behind the scenes that smells
>
>
> > >http://events.vday.org/2008/World/Second_Life_(TVM)< http://events.vday.org/2008/World/Second_Life_%28TVM%29>- Hide quoted text -
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Hugs,
CallieDelBraie
CallieDel Boa in Second Life
Ina Centaur
First of all, I want to say that the information on the page is not
up-to-date, and I apologize for not having read through the page in
detail before sending out the address. The page basically directly
routes to the old VDay/VSpot page, which I registered for back in
October/November. I have only briefly updated the show time, and added
the list of producers Shael forwarded a few days ago.
Prospero Lane is actually the guy who suggested that we endeavor on
this production in Second Life. (In screen media, he would be given
the honorary name of "executive producer.") I agree that the current
roles are not accurate, and the information is not up-to-date. I try
to stay informed about what goes on, but I admit that's not always
possible (it would help if we had a google calendar -- I could just
subscribe to it so that it would automatically ping my firefox when
something happens). I would appreciate that the group acts to
constructively help update the page. I have started a page for this in
the Pages section.
Secondly, I don't recall speaking about the name issue with Tory, and
I am only just aware of it from this thread. I recall speaking to her
about two salient issues - 1) donations to VDay giving our SL
production credit and 2) whether it is possible to have an SL page on
the VSpot. I mentioned to Tory directly about 2), stating that their
system is set up for geographic search, and then proceeded to find out
directly the solution to 1. Hours later, I then addressed both of
these issues in the earlier thread in this group titled "VDay in and
out world"
I got a message today/yesterday from Tory that she wanted to speak to
me regarding my further participation in VDay. My IM's were capped,
and I did not get to check the email my IM's were routed to until late
last night/this morning. This will often be the case with any offline
communication. When I am online, I generally suffer from IM hell in
the midst of trying to get what I should be getting done online. SL
often crashes at random times, and I may miss IM's. SL was, and still
is unreliable, and has only become worse even after I have totally
upgraded to a new system. A more direct and less-lossy way to reach me
is via Skype or gtalk. My Skype is Ina Ubiquitous. I am now on Skype
all the time when I am online.
I have SL setup to auto-log my chats. This is for my personal records.
Often times, I crash, and miss IM's completely. Viewing logs often
helps save lost IM's (when I don't get too many...). I am forwarding a
direct and unedited copy of what I received of Tory's alleged
conversation with me. I have skimmed through it briefly, but I don't
see any segment of a talk regarding (/me coughs) "I have spoken to Ina
regarding the contact information through V-Day and how it is no
longer appropriate that she be listed as organizer of the event, but
she has ignored this and supplied the organization with false
information"
Um... Drama?
Finally, I want to say that I am only continuing the do the role I had
agreed to from the start. If you would look up the chat transcript
from our meetings, you'll see that I agreed to be the contact between
VDay and SL ( http://groups.google.com/group/slvday/web/2007-12-11-meeting-transcript-edited
). I am basically just doing what I agreed to. If my help here is no
longer needed, that's cool too -- less work for me is always good!
But, I want to be clear on something though. When I say I'd do
something, I mean what I say -- I'd do it; it'd get done. I guess
that's just the different thing about me you have to get used to...
although I would assume most people who have replied to this thread
already know that about me........
/me heaves a great long big sigh. I've just spent the past half hour
or so writing (hopefully) the longest email I'd write today. Sorry
that this came out so long. But, it looks like there is a nontrivial
issue here that built up from miscommunication or misunderstanding. I
hope this would clarify things..
On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, ToryLynn Writer <Victori...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rekka and Lauren
>
> Your suppositions are correct. Ina was preproduction, and she is also
> working as costume design under the auspices of Calliope and Allie. I
> have spoken to Ina regarding the contact information through V-Day and
> how it is no longer appropriate that she be listed as organizer of the
> event, but she has ignored this and supplied the organization with
> false information. I have contacted V-Day regarding this and am
> waiting for a reply. If it comes down to it, I will be asking V-Day
> if we may create a new Second Life group proceed from there.
>
> TL
>
Ada Radius
Ada
Ina Centaur
the necessary time for it. (and, frankly, I was really just hoping
that others would be interested in doing something big, for once!) I
did mention that I would take on the task of communicating with VDay.
And again, that's what I have been doing so far... until today at
least, when, apparently I am now accused of both witchcraft and forced
to wear the scarlet letter for doing what I said I'd do.............
BTW, is someone in charge of connecting the volunteers, or are they
supposed to contact each other off the list? Would the volunteers
contacting each other be ostracized for communication...
retroactively?
I think this is just really absurd..
I dunno, I think it's miscommunication, and if any urgent
communication is needed, I'm on SKype -- and skype doesn't crash!
Again, I get tons and tons of email. I run 36 to 72 hour days, and
generally check VDay at the end or beginning of the day. I try to
address everything that arises, but if I miss something important, I
would appreciate that the matter be brought up again..
Ada Radius
I know you're busy, and that you don't have time to read all these posts and keep up with what's going on. I'm not on Skype, and don't have time to add another layer of (mis) communications to my schedule. I'm spending several hours a day on the VDay project, so is ToryLynn. Many days it's much more than that. Too much of that time is spent in unnecessary hassles, and this is one of them.
I'm truly grateful that you kicked this project off - it was a brilliant idea and you deserve full credit for it. Because you're insanely busy, I think it would be a good idea to put Tory in charge of liason with VDay. We're wasting too much time otherwise.
Ada
Ina Centaur
I sent earlier today to this thread. I mentioned there that this
project was Prospero Lane's idea, not mine. I also mentioned that, so
far, I have only been doing what I had agreed to do - basically,
facilitating communication between VDay/SL. I can continue to do this,
as I have budgeted time out for this role (and I don't have vday
archived in gmail, unlike googlegroups... so it is directly in my main
inbox). But, I will stop doing this since I now wear the scarlet
letter. It doesn't clash with the sky blue I'm wearing, but all you
puritans won't let me remove it... Hooo...
Ada: regarding falsified chat transcripts... would you regard the one
you posted in our second meeting in December as falsified? If
anything, I stated this role plainly and clearly and publicly, and if
you all want to go on a witchhunt against Ina... well, I guess all I
can do is roll my eyes as you burn me at stake...
ToryLynn Writer
I did contact you on January 13th. I told you that I think it will
be easier for me to be the liason to VDay.org as I am the one that
everybody brings questions to, and I am readily available to answer
those questions. I need to have much faster access to VDay.org people
to get the information I need, and I need it to be from the 'horse's
mouth', so to speak. Because you're busy, and your IM's are capped,
what's going on now just isn't working, and it's causing huge amounts
of stress for me, Ada, and Lauren.
You have not volunteered for the tech team - if you would like to work
on it you should contact Rekka (and Ada, to get on the list), and
offer your help there. Rekka is in charge of the team, and will have
final say on sim venue and media - she is ably assisted by people you
know, of course.
Posting your concerns (although valid) to the google group is no
longer the way to go, although we sometimes enjoy it, as the tech
team, who are putting in heavy hours on this, don't have time to read
and talk about things they've already resolved.
I hope this helps. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate
to ask!
TL
> longer needed, that's cool too -- less work for me is always good!
>
> But, I want to be clear on something though. When I say I'd do
> something, I mean what I say -- I'd do it; it'd get done. I guess
> that's just the different thing about me you have to get used to...
> although I would assume most people who have replied to this thread
> already know that about me........
>
> /me heaves a great long big sigh. I've just spent the past half hour
> or so writing (hopefully) the longest email I'd write today. Sorry
> that this came out so long. But, it looks like there is a nontrivial
> issue here that built up from miscommunication or misunderstanding. I
> hope this would clarify things..
>
Ada Radius
What kind of credit does Prospero want? nm, I will ask him. What kind do you want?
heh. NO ONE reads long emails. it's the way it is. no one reads my long emails either. if you can get the message in in 3 line, then you're OK. Maybe
Ada
Rowan Shamroy
Having read every word of every communication for the Vday google group,
I feel I would like to comment. I know that these kinds of productions are not
run by democratic process, but perhaps they should be. Not that my vote will
count but I will cast it anyway. I vote that ToryLynn take full control of the communication between SL Vday and the out of world organizations.
This tug-of-war for power and credit demeans to production and certainly
does nothing for the morale of the group. We should be at a point of excitement
And jubilation that we have got this far, and that's where Laurens enthusiasm is
needed. It feels like Lauren has pulled back from the group for fear of being
Morgue McMillan
As one who is not involved in this (and has not been part of the group from the start) I still feel the need to reply and make some points as to what I figured out of this all:
1. The idea for SLVDay came out of sLiterary mainly and as Ina stated from Prospero Lane
2. Ina Centaur built the group in SL
3. We have kind of organisation in-world - and producers, directors, steering committee aso have been named for official publishing in more than one announcement
4. Everyone has been asked to contact Ada to be put on the roll
5. We have a chain of command installed
6. As stated SLVDay is supported by sLiterary, Inksters and Written Word
What is the issue with this all? Communication in-world is always a tough thing to do and in-world/out-world even harder sometimes.
As to my understanding the supporters should be kept informed of what is going on - and being a supporter does not automatically mean to get involved more.
Furthermore, there should be a person who is entirely responsible (or a kind of board) to talk to the public (i. e. media, sponsors, vday.org), who for now are Ada, Tory, Calliope, Lauren and CallieDel for SLVDay. Everybody else should make sure to be on the roster (you may look up the in-world group notices regarding this point).
I think V-Day is too important to feel toe trodden all the time and to get back to old stuff which is past meanwhile. Better focus on how to go on with this all now?
AND: Can someone explain the difference between production and pre-production here, please? I do not know much about the organisation of theatre plays or movies *feels stupid
I feel the need to spread some love here, so feel hugged all
Morgue