Slovak Roots

[Kate Brinko]

Hello Slovak Spot,

I just discovered your group and have read your posts with great interest.  I am second generation Slovak, and am wanting some help in discovering my Slovak roots. My Slovak-American father died when I was 9, his Slovak mother died when he was 19, and his Slovak father had no close kin (that I can find).  I do have my grandfather and grandmother's immigration records from Ellis Island, but have been unable to uncover anything before that.

Do you know of any reliable services in Slovakia that can help answer some questions?

Kate Brinko

[Michael Mojher]

Kate,

The group is a good source for help. Give us a try. Please post the information that you have on the immigration records. #1 The names of your grandparents. #2 What is the name of the town. Having that records can be found. Or if you are able send an attachment of the Ellis Island records. #3 What are the questions you want answered?

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[Julie Wininger]

Kate,

Welcome to the group.

I have discovered a lot about my Slovak roots through Ancestry and 23&me. Through these sources I've found second cousins who had done genealogy work and have been able to trace a few lines back to their home village.

Julie

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[Kate Brinko]

Michael and Julie,

Thank you for the warm welcome!  I really appreciate your willingness to help!

As soon as I can, I will post my family info/documents as soon as I can, including what I have gleaned from the sources I have. 

I have done DNA testing through Nat'l Geo, but not 23&me.  I have not done any comparisons that way, so that is a very fruitful line of inquiry I need to explore!

I have access to Ancestry.com and found some good very good information there about two years ago. Thanks for the reminder to go back and see what new has popped up.  I have my family tree on familysearch.org, and it has been great at pushing out hints.  Like Ancestry.com, it has filled in a lot of gaps and expanded my tree, but only on my mom's (non-Slovak) side of the family.  : (

Meanwhile, does anyone know the meanings of the surnames Brinko, Hrubiak, or Tutmacher (Tutmeyer)?  I have looked everywhere I know.

Kate

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[B. J. Licko-Keel]

Kate, do you know whether your family's name was ever spelled "Brnko" in the past? The reason I ask is that when I was growing up, my baby-sitters were four Brnko sisters. I've lost touch with them over the years, but this might help with your search.

B. J.

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[Martin]

name was ever spelled "Brnko" in the past? The reason I ask is that when I was growing up, my baby-sitters were four Brnko sisters

An observant point, B.J. Slovak names with a syllabic [r] ofen inserted a vowel before or after it when they began to be used in the U.S. And the names Brinko and Brnko and Brnka are likely to be based on the same roots in Slovak. As to the meaning, there are two potential sources. Perhaps the likelier one is the root brn-, words derived from which -- when applied to people -- usually meant "one with darker skin, swarthy." Another possibility is that it comes from the, originally onomatipoeic, brnieť and brnkať, "to vibrate" and "to strum."

Hrubiak is based on hrub- meaning "coarse" or "thick" (not in reference to one's mental capacities).

Tutmacher is from German. Historically, it has several possible meanings, but in the Slovak context, it is likely to have referred to a cloth maker.

Regardless, the meanings of names can often have been something else from what what they may look like today. Names change more readily in unexpected ways (unlike the generally regular changes in language in general), because people stop thinking of any meaning of last names, so a change in a sound or two in how a particular person's name is pronounced in a particular location becomes immaterial. Meaning, people don' think of "green," the color, when they call someone John Green. So it can become mispronounced for whatever obscure reason in a particular village with a particular person, say as Greem, and we have no way of knowing today that (or why) it happened.

[Kate Brinko]

BJ and Martin,

I do not know of any spellings prior to the immigration records, which list Brinko.  I have looked in recent records from Slovakia (online, so not sure how reliable they were) and was surprised that there were no Brinkos or Hrubiaks living in Slovakia currently.

I thought Tutmacher sounded German, but did not find the meaning.  Thank you!

Kate

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[Dennis Ragan]

I use Slovakia's online phone directory a good bit to see if particular Slovak names of Americas come up in the directory. Of course it gets interesting when you figure that the "American" version of the name might have been changed.  In any case, nothing came up for Brinko, Brnko or Brinka.  Did get 10 hits with the name Brinka. although they may be of no relation.  That site link is https://telefonny.zoznam.sk  Just type in the last name in the top box and hit enter.  

[Helen Fedor]

The Library of Congress (where I work in the European Division) has a huge collection of historical telephone directories from the former Czechoslovakia that cover specific regions of the country < http://www.loc.gov/rr/european/phonecs/csphone.html >.  The vast majority of these are not listed in our online catalog, only in this chart.  When we're asked to see if certain names are listed in particular directories for certain years, I go over to where the directories are kept and look for the info.  I could do that for your family's name, if you'd like.

The way to submit a request is to use my Division's Ask a Librarian form < http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ask-european.htm > (so that we can count the question among our usage statistics).  The request will come to me.

[Helen Fedor]

The Library of Congress (where I work in the European Division) has a huge collection of historical telephone directories from the former Czechoslovakia that cover specific regions of the country < http://www.loc.gov/rr/european/phonecs/csphone.html >.  The vast majority of these are not listed in our online catalog, only in this chart.  When we're asked to see if certain names are listed in particular directories for certain years, I go over to where the directories are kept and look for the info.  I could do that for your family's name, if you'd like.

The way to submit a request is to use my Division's Ask a Librarian form < http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ask-european.htm > (so that we can count the question among our usage statistics).  The request will come to me.

Sorry, my computer suddenly went kerfluey before I could properly sign off.

Helen

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[Martin]

looked in recent records from Slovakia (online, so not sure how reliable they were) and was surprised that there were no

As Dennis pointed out with the name Brinko, there are better sources, given the false answer "no" you got from the above, Kate. For Hrubiak, look in the reliable sources for Hrubjak and Hrubják. That name is alive in Slovakia, too. Hrubiak is the same as Hrubjak/Hrubják in Slovak. Click, e.g. on this outline of Slovak pronunciation for an idea of how that can be, and see another solid source on the distribution of Hrubiak = Hrubjak/Hrubják in Slovakia in 1995:

http://tinyurl.com/ybtmmgc3

[Kate Brinko]

Thank you, Dennie, Helen, and Martin!

You've given me a lot of great leads!

[B. J. Licko-Keel]

Martin, I've been following this subject with a lot of interest, and should add that any name references I might have mentioned, because of my age, would probably date back almost a hundred years. Since family names can change so fluidly over many years, it would not be surprising if older versions are no long viable.

On another subject, I followed the references you gave in your message and notice that the resource to the names you located also has many references to Dolný Kubín. This is the location where my mother's Michalic family records were destroyed in a fire when the courthouse where they were kept was burned to the ground. I'm still interested in finding out what or where any current relatives of mine might still be living--either in Dolný Kubín, in Párnica, or in Banská Bystrica, even though I would not be able to travel to see them personally because of health reasons. These are the places where my mother emigrated from and from where I know that a sister and a brother were living when we last had contact with them shortly after WWII.

You might remember that I have been searching for a long time , , ,

B. J.

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[Joe Kadilak]

Hi,

If you happen to be looking for some online resources, some of these links I have collected might be useful:

Rodokmen: Origin of surnames

https://www.rodokmen.com/povod-priezvisk/a

Where to find Slovak registries

http://www.geni.sk/kde-hladat-slovenske-matriky/

Frequency of names and surnames

http://www.mvcr.cz/mvcren/cetnost-jmen-a-prijmeni.aspx

Slovak Business Register

http://www.orsr.sk/search_osoba.asp?lan=en

The church registers DATABASE

http://csaladfa.palmai.eu/felvidekiak/

Slovak genealogical dictionary

http://genedict.net/sk/

Database of surnames in Slovakia

https://slovnik.juls.savba.sk/?lang=en

Official portal of Slovak cemeteries

https://web.archive.org/web/20170425115340/http://www.cemetery.sk:80/english/

https://web.archive.org/web/20170312095932/http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?pid=300

Hungary Genealogy & Family Tree Research

https://genealogia.blog.hu/

https://genealogia.blog.hu/2011/01/20/linkek_181

Databases Online - Genealogy

http://adatbazisokonline.hu/en/kategoria/genealogia_-csaladtortenet

Iwona's Sources - Places & Surnames

 

http://ipgs.us/iwonad/surnames/allnamesintro.html

Our Village

https://www.nasejmena.cz/nj/cetnost.php?typ=obec&id=3403&id2=8025

This tree has Brinko in one of the branches

https://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-174155311/moji-predkovia?rootIndivudalID=1000178&familyTreeID=1

http://www.zitava.sk/historia-pozitavia/pozitavske-priezviska-zacinajuce-sa-pismenom-b

This is an excerpt that I translated via Google - I don't know how accurate it is.

Not quite clear is the derivation of multiple surnames:Bagni (Bani ?, Banik ?, Badin?), Bajas (village Baj KN?), Bakaji (village Baka?), Bakalya (village Baka?), Balaj, Barács, Baras, ), Baranya (Bar ?, Bara ?, Baran?), Barbella (Barbora), Borbelyi (Barbora, Borbela?), Barmos (Barman, Barnabas?), Barsahl, ?), Batyachki, Batia, Baťa (brother?), Becsak (Bečo? Tur.Viedenčan), Benszikei, Beress, Berjos (rus.berieš) , Berkes (Berko ?, Bernard?), Berzoczki (Brezovica ?, Breza?), Bestik (Alžbeta, beštia, best?), Bika (Bic) , Bica, Bikis (Benedict), Bincz, Bindel (nem.Binder?), Birkózo (sheep, goats? Kozárovce), Bito , Bobehaj (pobehaj?), Bobta, Boczka, Bogi, Bodis, Bogar, Bógó,Bogorka, God (Bohuš ?, village Báč?), Bojc, Bójtós (Bajtos?), Bok (Lemešany-Chabžany PV?), Bokondi, Bokor, Bolgó, Bondor, (Bosman), Boszman (Bosman, Bosniak, Bosniak cake), Boszorad (bosorak?), Borgaz, Borkovics (village Brekov, Borka? Botós (Bottom), Braboška (Hraboška?), Brebenya (Brutal), Brinesley, Brinko, Brokes (Prokeš?), Bronyss, Brsak, Brunczlik , Budlík, Bugyal, Bujalko, Bukora, Bulak, Buniko (Budivoj?), Burgak (Burjak?), Burmecz, Bzerovszky, etc.Boszman (Bosman, Bosniak ?, Bosniak?), Boszorad ?, Botó (ital.pop), Botós ?, Braboška ?, Brebenya ?, Brinesley, Brinko, Brokes Prosk?), Bronyss (Bronik, Bronisz, Polrs?), Brsak, Brunczlik, Budlik, Bugyal, Bujalko, Bukora, Bulak, Buniko (Budivoj?), Burgak, Burmecz, BzerovszkyBoszman (Bosman, Bosniak ?, Bosniak?), Boszorad ?, Botó (ital.pop), Botós ?, Braboška ?, Brebenya ?, Brinesley, Brinko, Brokes Prosk?), Bronyss (Bronik, Bronisz, Polrs?), Brsak, Brunczlik, Budlik, Bugyal, Bujalko, Bukora, Bulak, Buniko (Budivoj?), Burgak, Burmecz, Bzerovszky

The name and surname of the family tree will certainly help with the initial surname, where the year and place of occurrence is in the territory of Požitavsko. If you create your detailed pedigree from a detailed tax listing of 1663/64, you are doing so well. Many of these sister names no longer exist, we are currently saying that they are "dead". It makes it difficult for them to clarify and we will not devote the space to believing them. Multiple surnames can not be divorced and explained here because of their large scale, the possibility of multiple alternatives and small space. In some surnames, an unusual, atypical way of deducting a surname can be observed. The surnames are probably originated in another country or are considerably abusive. Perhaps people with a similar surname, creation, birth history and know something about their origin.

[Dennis Ragan]

Thanks for this information, Helena. Interesting. I checked to see if my grandparents' villages came up, and they did not -- although the largest town (Humenne) in that area did.  I then remembered how my grandmother told us years ago that, in the 1960s and '70s, "our" small villages had only one phone in each of the villages, and they were in the homes of the local communist party official.      

[Dennis Ragan]

BJ -- I have a good friend in Dolny Kubin who I'm fairly sure would be willing to try to help.  If you're interested, send me any details you might have and I'll be happy to make the request.  

Dennis     

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[Dr. Q]

I am surprise that your post has not received a suggestion that you join the site that you have in as the subject.  The yahoo groups "slovak-roots" is a very good source:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/

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If you can provide some detail about your family, e.g., family name, birth dates, town/village they came from, church they belonged to, where they lived in the US, etc. You will probably get help.  They are a good genealogical group.

Dr. "Q"

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[Kate Brinko]

Everyone ,

You all have been so helpful—Thank you for the numerous leads!

Here is what I know about the immigration of my grandparents:

My grandfather, Joseph Brinko (later with an S. as middle name) immigrated to the US, landing in New York via Hamburg on July 31, 1909.  He was 17 years old, traveling with his cousin, Andras Tutmacher (also 17 years old and next on the manifest).  Their destination was Andras’s brother Josef’s home in Helen, PA, a crossroads outside Uniontown, PA. My grandfather listed his home in Hungary as Bartfa (today Bardejov) and his father as Josef Brinko. 

See attached from: New York Passenger Arriva...(Ellis Island), 1892-1924, Roll 1315, vol 2899-2900, 11 Aug 1909

 

His second marriage in 1940 listed his mother as Anna Tutmeyer, and both parents were deceased by this time.

 

Josef Brinko worked in the Royal Coke and Coal Mine in Royal (Smock), PA, where he met my grandmother, Amelia Hrubiak.  Amelia immigrated to NYC via Hamburg in 1910 with her mother Zsofia (nee Marck), and sisters Zsofia, Maria and Johanna. They listed their home town as Nemeszko (?) and nearest kin as Stefanie Janecseh(?)

See attached from:

Year: 1910; Arrival: New York, New York; Microfilm Serial: T715, 1897-1957; Microfilm Roll: Roll 1601; Line: 3; Page Number: 156 Ancestry.com. New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.

Thank you for any light you can shine on these (including the correct town name of my grandmother).

Kate

 

 

[Helen Fedor]

Dennis,

The various directories had listings for nearby villages even when the directories only referred to a particular city/town.  The cities/towns had more telephones than the villages, because they had more need of them.  The earliest directories had listings for government offices, 'free-standing' businesses (e.g., stores), and businesses run from homes (doctors, engineers, accountants, etc.).  Phones in private homes were much more rare.  Over time the directories got thicker, and covered smaller and smaller areas.

Helen

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[Christine Lawlor]

Kate,

This group is very helpful. 

Familysearch.org has a baptismal entry that sounds like your Joseph Brinko, and his mother was Anna Tutmacher, which would make it possible for him to have Tutmacher cousins:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6D9W-7N8?i=259&cc=1554443

Rgds,

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[Kate Brinko]

Christine,

Thank you!

My family tree is on familysearch.org, but this has never come up for me--perhaps added recently??

It answers an important question for me: was he raised Catholic?

Also, a big shout out to Christina Manetti!  She found Marek Brinko on Facebook and I am in touch with his family.  They will look at their family genealogical records and let me know later this week if we are the same family—and possibly provide some more names.

I have been searching for over 15 years, and I cannot thank you all enough!

Kate

[Christine Lawlor]

Kate,

You are welcome! There was an Iron Curtain with no info for so long, the current access to info is amazing. In this case, it was the difference between Slovak and English, where in Slovak a word can have 4 consonants in a row: Brnko, that piqued my intellectual curiosity. 

Rgds,

Christine

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R is a semi vowel on West Slavic la6

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R is a semi vowel on West Slavic la6

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[Christine Lawlor]

OK, thank you Eric. Slovak [West Slavic] has more and different semi vowels than English. Rather than ask here, I checked Wikipedia. West Slavic languages include Polish. I wish we had this information in the 1970s. I grew up in Connecticut, there were a lot of people of Polish descent. No one ever explained about semi vowels and it was pre-political correctness, unfortunately people criticized what they didn't understand, which included what they saw as multiple consonants w/out a vowel. Moving forward, I can explain from now on.

Christine

[Kate Brinko]

Hello all,

I wonder if I can ask your help again.  I have hit a wall with my 2great-grandmother and 2great-grandfather.  He immigrated into New York in 1906, she immigrated into New York in 1910 with their four children.  I cannot find the name of their hometown (in Hungary at the time), partially because I cannot decipher the handwriting on the manifest.  Can anyone help?  Attached is the handwriting.

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[Michael Mojher]

Kate,

              Here is my try, Nemesz(s or t)o - sister - (S or B)anecseh – Stefanie – Nemesz(s or t) - aunt

 

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[Martin]

Especially the first one looks quite like Námestovo:

https://goo.gl/maps/sD355WqaRcN2

Its Hugarian name was Nemesztó. It was in the (former) county of Orava (Árva in Hungarian).

[Kate Brinko]

Thank you, Michael and Martin!

I had entered the Hungarian Nemeszto (and many variations) and came up with nothing on Google.  So I am very happy to know that it is now Namestovo.

Kate

[Ron Matviyak]

To add a suggestion on researching difficult to find places: assemble the various spellings and perhaps mis spellings and go to Google books. You can try a general search for full coverage, but to narrow it down to Old Records and writings I find it handy to use Tools and ask for Full View Only. This yields all the old records and books out of copyright, and often things I would otherwise never suspect existed.

Another simpler method is to enter the words and click on Images in Google. That also may help sleuth out alternate meanings of words or meanings not in current useage. 

Ron

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[Kate Brinko]

Thank you, Ron!  I had never herd of Google books--what a great resource!

I appreciate this information!

Kate

[Martin]

entered the Hungarian Nemeszto (and many variations)

Very useful advice from Ron. The more usual Hungarian historical spelling was Námesztó (and versions thereof without one or both of the "lengthening marks" on top of the -a- and -o-), but the spelling Nemeszto occurred on occasion too. For instance, in the image you posted, Kate, it appears to have an -a- in the first column and looks like having an -e- in the second column.

A limited regularity: With a Hungarian version ending in -ó of a likely Slovak place name, consider something ending in -ov as one of the possible Slovak original names. E.g., the Slovak county of Liptov was adopted in Hungarian as Liptó, the village of Hrabkov as Hrabkó/Harapkó, Bačkov as Bacskó, etc.

[Kate Brinko]

Thank you, Martin, this is very helpful to know. 

I could have saved making this request as well as many hours of research if I had entered Nameszto an "a" instead of the "e"!

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