inds.fitnessScaling = phenotypes;
Does this sound correct?
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Hi,
See below within the lines ...
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 17:21:52, Ben Haller <bha...@mac.com> wrote:
> OK, thanks for the correction. Interesting – this is not what I
> was taught when I learned quantitative genetics, I think, but I
> never took a formal course in it, I just picked things up along the way.
I think the challenge is in the words used - the term additive is used in multiple ways!
1) The quantitative genetics model
phenotypic_value = intercept + genetic_value + environmental_value
is **additive** by construction to being with, but nobody mentions this!
2) Then we further decompose
genetic_value = additive_genetic_value + dominance_deviation + epistasis_deviation
where additive_genetic_value is the breeding value, which is allele substitution effects (alpha) multipled by allele dosage (if dosages are, say, 0, 1, and 2, then we have 0alpha, 1alpha, 2alpha) summed over all causal loci. There are two "additivities" here - adding up allele substitution effects within a locus, and then across the loci.
3) The allele substitution effect are obtained by regressing phenotypic values onto allele dosages, which (in a randomly mating population and without epistasis and GxE) turns out to be
alpha = a + d(q-p)
where -a and +a are values for the two homozygotes (with "origin" in the middle) and d is a value of the heterozygote relative to the "origin" - this is the standard quantitative genetics parameterisation (ala Falconer & MacKay green book page 109 - 1996 version). These -a, d, and +a values are the values of genotypes (genetic values) in the first phenotype model shown at the top.
The a value above is sometimes referred to additive gene action at a locus, and d as a dominant gene action at a locus.
> Hmm. Well, would you agree that dominance effects are typically
> small, for quantitative traits, and are usually neglected in
> quantitative-trait models? That is certainly my impression,
> but again, I'm certainly no expert on this!
It depends! I think we need to distinguish between:
A) what is happening in reality - we don't really know, but clearly biology is highly non-linear (=non-additive), BUT obviously 1st order approximations (=additive) will capture the majority of variation
B) what we simulate - relevant discussion here, but obviously we want simulations to mimic A, but we can only set parameters based on C
C) what we can estimate from the data - indeed many studies find that the variance of breeding values seems to explain most of variance in genetic values, leading to the usual statement that most genetic variance is additive, BUT there is a caveat that breeding values are a 1st order approximation and as such capture additive and some of non-additive gene effects. Studies that report dominance variance, technically variance between dominance deviations (the part not captured by breeding values), often report small values, again indicating that most variation is additive. BUT, some of these studies are underpowered to get accurate estimates of dominance variation. On the other hand, there is quite a lot of studies of inbreeding depression and heterosis, indicating that there is dominance variation. I know that there is large inbreeding depression in maize inbred lines, which then generates very large heterosis in their hybrids. This is probably an extreme case!? Sometimes there are real dominance gene effects, but selection is keeping allele frequency low, meaning that variance at that locus will be low ...
So, its complicated. These two papers touch on some of these points
Data and Theory Point to Mainly Additive Genetic Variance for Complex Traits
https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1000008
The Genetic Architecture of Quantitative Traits Cannot Be Inferred from Variance Component Analysis
https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006421
> What is your opinion of what Manas is proposing to do?
> Do you think it is important for SLiM's support for this
> kind of thing to be better than it presently is? (Sounds
> like a good topic for discussion when I'm in Edinburgh!
> I certainly have lots to learn in this area! :->)
If I understand Manas' question correctly, he wants to use something like the standard quantitative genetics model where -a, d, and +a values are assigned to the three genotypes, but he wants this for the population genetics model with selection coefficients? I do think this is important and done regularly with the quantitative genetics model (though arguably many skip simulation of dominance due to results discussed above). Is there a population genetics model version with additive and dominance effects on selection coefficients?
gg
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