Neural Guitar Plugin

[Suk Harian]

Isthere a way to combining the Helix (not the native plugin) with other guitar plugins, for example Neural DSP's?

I want, for example, to use Helix's effects blocks (such as fuzz, unique delays, etc..) with Neural DSP plugin in the middle of the chain.

Is that possible or imaginary dream :) ? - If that's possible, what is the way to connect - I have a Focusrite 8i6 audio interface.

Thanks so much for the help.

This configuration provides minimal latency as the signal chain is DIGITAL from Helix to Scarlett to DAW to Scarlett to Helix with the only AD/DA conversions at the Helix Input and Output - the path from the Helix Main Outs through the Scarlett to the speakers is analog.

Absolutely! You can absolutely combine the Line 6 Helix with other guitar plugins like Neural DSP's. You can use the Helix's effects blocks, such as fuzz and delays, alongside the Neural DSP plugin within your digital audio workstation (DAW). To get started, simply connect your guitar to your audio interface (Focusrite 8i6) and route the signal through both the Helix and the Neural DSP plugin within your DAW's signal chain.

Neural Amp Modeler (NAM) is an open source machine learning framework for amplifier simulation. It works very well, and has been getting a lot of traction recently with people sharing some great-sounding models.

Yeah, the plugin is pretty rough and ready right now. I plan to keep it very basic, but some better error handling would be good. Given that I don't have UI, I can't issue a warning - but it could at least not crash...

After some more testing and playing around with some profiles from the Facebook NAM Discussion Group, I am really impressed with the results. Although it is too early to say for sure, it might become might default guitar amp simulation software.

Right now, the main downside is that it is significantly more expensive than other approaches to amplifier simulation. I'm hoping, though, that as the model architecture gets tweaked and the playback code gets optimized that the performance gap will narrow.

Interesting. I haven't played around enough to see how DSP intensive it is... But, at the worst case, one can track with a lighter simulation and then "reamp" with it. It's less than ideal, as often the tone inspires the performance, but it is still a way to get a good tone in recordings.

Is it possible to merge or fork or whatever you guys do your amp modeler with this one? I could load yours in Reaper but I have no way of loading the profiles but with this if it's possible to get it running on Linux, it should run on every DAW.

Yep it is a Windows VST but it said open source. Disclaimer I know absolutely nothing about programming or anything like that but if Windows devs can port lv2 plugins to VST, can that be reversed and done the other way or even make a native VST

It builds and runs well on arch in Ardour.

But just like ML Proteus, eventually the plugin will need to have some control knobs because we all have different guitars and we all have different playing styles so a generic capture may work great for someone but for someone else it could have too much bottom end or so on which means that that point you got to load more plugins and that just makes more resources being used up. One of the main reasons why I use hardware with IR files built into it for my recording.

Don't get me wrong I am not in no way putting this down in fact I'm just hoping that my two cents will help by suggesting having a gain knob and the usual EQ and so on. I reached out to Buddy that created the VST and he said his Linux box is not running that's why he has not attempted a Linux version.

Maybe again that's if this is your intention to reach out to him and see if it could be forked on maybe use it as a VST because a lot of people use DAWs that only uses VST like a Reaper and bitwig for example.

Again I don't know what your end goal is so I'm just pointing it out. I'm putting this disclaimer in there as I do almost every time I post is to avoid somebody trying to chop my head off because I'm not criticizing I'm trying to put in my two cents and take it as a buffet. You take what you want and you skip past the rest.

I could have worded it a bit better but i think you have just answered it for me. Im currently using it as a stand alone plug and play amp. I am a complete noob to audio software. I just wasnt sure if you could add the plug in for it to be straight up recorded into any audio software. Thanks for your reply.

illegalgardener is correct. The process is to record the dry guitar signal and then use the amp plugin as a VST effect. I realize it is a bit confusing to a noob who is using the stand alone version. That said, you can of course use the plugin while you are recording, same as with any other effect.

Maybe this helps enlighten a bit more: the stand-alone version is actually a very lightweight VST host (think in terms of a super stripped down version of a DAW) that also includes the VST effect, in this case the Neural guitar amp sim you are using, all rolled up together a single stand-alone program.

Neural DSP plugins are full guitar rigs, that include pedals, amp(s) and guitar cab with mics (Impulse responses). Every Neural DSP product have different amps, cabs and pedals. Archetype products are made with collaboration with the artist (Plini, Nolly and Abasi) and have variety of amps from clean to High Gain. Archetype Nolly has four amps and four cabs. Archetype Plini and Abasi have three amps and one cab. All of the Archetype products have compressor, OD, delay and reverb pedals, but like said they are different in each product.

When I close the standalone and try through Logic Pro only all I hear is a clean (DI) sound with no processing from Neural DSP even though I have the plugin within Logic open. However, when I record the processed sound is there in the recording. Its just not there during live monitoring if that makes sense.

It sounds like you are using direct monitoring on your audio interface, hearing only the dry guitar. Make sure you are not using direct monitoring, and have software monitoring turned on for the track containing the NDSP plugin.

Guitar plugin made with JUCE that uses neural network models to emulate real world hardware. - GitHub - GuitarML/SmartGuitarAmp: Guitar plugin made with JUCE that uses neural network models to emul...

I really apologise in advance if this has been covered somewhere but I have been unable to find it. I am a noob. I have never captured an amp as I do not have any access to them. However, I would like to capture some of the tones from my Neural DSP plugins. Can anyone provide me with a step by step guide on how do do that, what I should and shouldn't do, and any pitfalls to watch out for?

Wow guys, thanks for all of the help!!! Really appreciated it, especially regarding some of the comments that followed. In return, I will offer a little advice. Alot is not a word, it's a lot. Also voila should be voil. Thanks for being really dismissive.

I don't think it's so much dismissiveness but sort of in awh as why buy a expensive Profiler to profile a cheap plugin. There are 1000's of free profiles that would get you a better tone than a plugin, and those come from real amps. Nonetheless, see this thread for help...

The only reason why I asked is that I was looking to capture some of the tones from Neural Rabea which are synth-based. I was looking to see what issues I might have with capturing a synth-based guitar tone and then using it through the Kemper. I have loads of quality tones from different companies but this is a bit different. I probably should have stressed that from the start but I was looking for advice in general for copying Neural plugins but specifically Rabea's synth-based tones. Thanks for any help, and this may clear some of the nonsense up.

christianbad & GearJocke I'd like to respond to your bad faith comments in good faith, though I know I'll veer off that path. Hopefully you cut down on making other people feel bad about themselves. The value of forums like this is for othes who have the same specific question to be able to pinpoint an answer. As opposed to trying to interpret a page in a manual that's meant to cover a lot of ground. I for one am often unsure about whether what I'm looking at applies to my situation enough to spend time trying something that may or may not solve my specific issue. Everyone learns and absorbs info differently. Further, subsequent questions and answers help clarify, and offer alternatives. That back and forth isn't found in a manual. A manual is best at providing info about how to use a product. Forums are best used to ask about how others solved the same problem you have, or share unique solutions you found. But you knew that already.

OP asked a question because they wanted an answer. Not opinions on whether you would or wouldn't use gear the same way, or whether you deem it a question worthy of being asked. Is the Kemper not intentionally versatile for the sole purpose that people want to achieve the tone they're looking for in a number of different ways? You knew that already too.

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