Surah Fatiha Me Kitni Ayat Hai

[Flocka Bilodeau]

Idid some lookup, and It seems that I need to recite at least 3 ayahs after al-fatiha. Does these need to be from beginning of surahs or, for example, can I read first 3 ayah of a surah in first rak'ah and second 3 in second rak'ah?

Also, does it matter if ayahs I recite make a meaningfull context? I mean, might taking random 3 ayahs from its context be wrong? For example, fourth ayah of Al-Baqarah start with (wa) "and". Would it be inappropriate for me to recite 4th ayah, without first reciting 3th ayah?

Yes, of course you can do that, and all Imams do so, like in Taraweeh some of them read a page of Quran in every rak'ah, and then the next page.. etc so they can complete the whole Quran along the month of Ramadan.

Imam Abu Hanifah said this is an evidence that you can read the least amount of it, i.e, one ayah. However, most other scholars agree that the minimum is either 3 tiny ayat (tiny like this), or one non-tiny ayah. But this establishes that there is no restriction on the start point.

It's recommended that you read a contextually related ayat, especially if you're Imam, because this will encourage everence (خشوع) and ability to dive in the meanings of Quran. But it's not a must. An evidence I could say is that it's very hard to find a single non-tiny ayah that's not related to the ayat before and after it, while it's acceptable to read it alone as mentioned above. Also Allah requires us no more than we can do, and if you're non-Arabic it'll be so hard to decide if the context is ok or not.

There is nothing wrong to start reciting from middle of a Surah in salat. In Quran, there are some special punctuation marks, which indicates where it is ok to stop, where it is better to continue with different level of instruction like compulsory or recommended. I got a full list here after a quick search-

It would be better to not begin recitation in points, where continuation is recommended or compulsory. Similarly, we should not stop at points, where continuation is recommended or compulsory. Else there should be know problem I think.

If one doesn't recite it outloud, this is upon them. Allaah is most just and will decide according to what is correct. They are sunnis anyway, but I haven't been told that coming from sunni to shi'a I have to make up those years of salaah either. Islaam teaches if you're ignorant of a rule then you're not held accountable. and Allaahu a'lim.

Now if you go and deliberately say ameen and don't say the bismillaah aloud when you are aware that we are commanded by our Imams and Rasulullaah not to do that, then the validity of your salaah is obviously much more in question.

Saying the Bismillah in the Zhuhr and `Asr prayers loudly is Mustahab (I believe a Mu'akad Sunnah as well) but it is not Wajib. As for the loud bismillah in the Maghrib, Isha and Fajr - is is part of the Surah and thus part of the Qira'ah so it is wajib to be pronounced loudly for men.

According to Hanafi fiqh, reciting Bismillah before Surah al-Fatiha is a confirmed Sunnah. However, given the system of ranking in the Hanafi school, this pretty much means that it should not be left out. The manner of its recitation is quietly, but I have seen a difference of opinion. In addition, it is good to recite Bismillah before the recitation of all other Surahs. It remains good because Sunnis don't have daleel confirming this as of the Sunnah. In addition, it is a confirmed Sunnah to say Ameen silently after the recitation of Surah al-Fatihah.

The Shafi'i position on the Bismillah before Surah al-Fatiha is the same as the Shi'a position that it is part of the Surah. Therefore, it is fard to recite it loudly in prayer. However, the Shafi'is believe that it is the only Bismillah in the Qur'an. Therefore, the Shafi'i school does not consider it even a Sunnah to recite the Bismillah before other Surahs.

The Malikis consider the Bismillah to not even be part of Surah al-Fatiha. Therefore, it is makrooh tahriman, according to their school, to recite the Bismillah even before Surah al-Fatiha or anywhere else in salah. While Imam Malik (ra) may have some of the strongest opinions on other issues, his position on this issue is considered the weakest in Ahlul Sunnah on this issue.

I am a Hanafi, but apparently I follow the Shi'a position on the issue of reciting Bismillah before Surah al-Fatiah and all other Surahs. That's just how I was raised. In fact, the majority of Sunnis that I've ever come into contact with recite Bismillah before every Surah in prayer. So, it leads me to believe that there is much ikhtilaf on this issue amongst Ahlul Sunnah and within each school as well. As for the Ameen, I follow the Hanafi position on this and say it silently. Although, I will have to say that the Shi'a position, praising Allah by saying that ayah, makes plenty of sense. I just wish we had dalail to support it.

Imam Khomeini's (qas) decree is interesting. However, wouldn't it only apply to Shi'as (who did his taqlid)? The rest of the Muslims follow different schools of fiqh and would be judged according to what they follow. This is one reason why fiqh is considered a secondary issue compared to aqeedah, which is primary.

Even when I was sunni I didn't say ameen when I did prayers by myself. Not sure if that's specifically a wahabi thing though or if it was my own thing or what. But even sunnis I haven't seen saying the ameen when they pray alone. The sunni ahadeeth that even say to say ameen also specify when it's behind an imam and don't mention anything about salaah alone.

No, no they definitely do. But they do it when praying behind an imam. I don't remember ever seeing a wahabi do it when praying alone and I was never specifically taught to say it when praying alone. But then again it's been awhile and if I saw others do it then it wasn't something I took notice of.. which is what makes me think they don't do it.. otherwise I would have questioned myself as to why I wasn't doing it too. Unless I said it in my alone prayers too.. hm.. now that I think about it maybe I did?? I can't remember. You're making me doubt myself lol

Thinking back, I remember making a conscious decision during my transition from sunni to shi'a NOT to say ameen.. but at that time I used to lead my room mate in prayer quite a lot so I may have stopped saying it in jamaa' if I already wasn't saying it alone.

IF they do it in individual prayers then I do remember not being specifically taught to do it, I would have been doing it based on my own understanding from the hadeeth. And when wahabis are together they almost always pray jamaa' so this is why it's so hard for me to remember if they do or don't do it when praying alone.

Just to point out... most Maraji' would consider saying 'Ameen' as something that invalidates the prayer, because you're saying something which is not part of the prayer (according to your school). The rule that you can not intentionally utter a single 'Ah' in prayer would still apply.

^^^? Our du'as narrate it to us...and its in al-Kafi. :S You're just not supposed to say it for fatiha in Salaah. For du'a, say it. It means 'accept" or "let it be" or "so be it" something along those lines I believe.

2. Haven't read a hadith about uttering "Ah." I can't think of a hadith through which you could extrapolate that uttering this accidentally would break your prayer. The only form of speech I have come across that breaks your prayer is speaking to other humans. For instance, there is a hadith that says if you start the prayer, and then say, "Straighten your lines," the prayer is broken.

عبدالله بن الحسن عن جده علي بن جعفر عن أخيه موسى ابن جعفر عليه السلام قال: سألت اخي عن الرجل يدعو وحوله إخوانه يجب عليهم أن يؤمنوا قال: " لان شاؤوا فعلوا ولان شاؤوا سكتوا فإن دعا وقال لهم: أمنوا وجب عليهم أن يفعلوا

مرسلة المفيد في المقنعة عن ابي جعفر الباقر (ع) (في حديث) ان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله قال: قال لي جبرئيل من ذكرت عنده فلم يصل عليك فابعده الله قلت آمين

وعن عدة من أصحابنا عن أحمد بن محمد بن خالد عن الحجال عن ثعلبة عن علي بن عقبة عن رجل عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : كان أبي ( عليه السلام ) إذا حزنه أمر دعا النساء والصبيان ثم دعا وأمنوا .

قال جعفر بن محمد (عليهما السلام) انما كانت النصارى تقولها. وعنه عن آبائه (عليهم السلام) قال قال رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) لا تزال امتي بخير وعلى شريعة من دينها حسنة جميلة ما لم يتخطوا القلة باقدامهم ولم ينصرفوا قياما كفعل اهل الكتاب ولم تكن ضجة آمين

ابن محبوب عن جميل بن صالح أنه ذكر أيضا مثله وذكر أنه دعاء علي بن الحسين صلوات الله عليهما وزاد في آخره " آمين رب العالمين

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