Smart Wake-up not really working

[Max]

Hello,

I have used "sleep as android" for about one week now and it seems
that the smart wake-up feature does not really work. It always woke me
at the beginning of the interval regardless of the activity the graph
showed. Additionally, I felt that I was sleeping very calmly just
before the alarm went off.
In order to test the function, I set the alarm during daytime and put
the phone on a table without anyone touching the table. The result was
again that the alarm went off long before the end of the smart wake-up
interval was reached although this time there was absolutely no
movement whatsoever on the phone (which is also confirmed by the
graph, see http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/view/sleep190111df1t3e6pcr.png
).

So, I suspect there is a problem with the wake-up algorithm. Could
someone confirm that?

Best regards,
Max

Phone: Samsung Galaxy S1, Firmware 2.3.4

[Max]

Hello again,

can really no one confirm (or falsify) that erroneous behavior? Does
the smart-wake up really wake you up when you are supposedly in your
light-sleep phase and not at the beginning of the smart-wakeup
interval? I tested it again with the same result. My sensors work
properly (as the graph confirms as well) so I cannot think this be
related to my phone.
I consider this feature as the major plus of "Sleep as Android" in
comparison to other sleep apps. But only if it worked, of course.

Best regards,
Max

On 19 Jan., 12:28, Max <multima...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have used "sleep as android" for about one week now and it seems
> that the smart wake-up feature does not really work. It always woke me
> at the beginning of the interval regardless of the activity the graph
> showed. Additionally, I felt that I was sleeping very calmly just
> before the alarm went off.
> In order to test the function, I set the alarm during daytime and put
> the phone on a table without anyone touching the table. The result was
> again that the alarm went off long before the end of the smart wake-up
> interval was reached although this time there was absolutely no
> movement whatsoever on the phone (which is also confirmed by the

> graph, seehttp://www.fotos-hochladen.net/view/sleep190111df1t3e6pcr.png

[Maciej]

It works for me
Desire HTC

On 19 Sty, 12:28, Max <multima...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have used "sleep as android" for about one week now and it seems
> that the smart wake-up feature does not really work. It always woke me
> at the beginning of the interval regardless of the activity the graph
> showed. Additionally, I felt that I was sleeping very calmly just
> before the alarm went off.
> In order to test the function, I set the alarm during daytime and put
> the phone on a table without anyone touching the table. The result was
> again that the alarm went off long before the end of the smart wake-up
> interval was reached although this time there was absolutely no
> movement whatsoever on the phone (which is also confirmed by the

> graph, seehttp://www.fotos-hochladen.net/view/sleep190111df1t3e6pcr.png

[Petr Nalevka]

Hello Max,

sorry for the late response. The test you did is actually very different from how the smart early wake-up works as the data gathered during sleep is very different from what you get on a table. 

Could you please do a little different test? Schedule a alarm in an hour with lets say 30 minutes smart wake-up. Shake your phone to simulate light sleep. Than after 15 minutes shake it again to simulate another light sleep phase. Than in the wake-up period (30 minutes before alarm) shake your phone again and the alarm should start in few seconds. 

I hope this helps. 

Thank you.

Petr

[Max]

Hello Petr,

thank you very much for this hint. So if I understand it right, the
algorithm takes into account the light-sleep phases during the night
(as recorded by the sensors) as a reference and then determines the
light-sleep moment in the morning relative to that data.
I will try your proposition and post the response.

Thanks again and best regards,
Max

[Max]

Hello again Petr,

I executed your proposed experiment and it really worked fine. So the
alarm went off only after shaking the phone within the wake-up
period.

But during the last week when really being woken up by "Sleep as
Android" in the morning I still noticed that the alarm always started
at the beginning of the wake-up period (max. 2 minutes after). And
often I was sure (as sure as you can be in the morning ;-)) that I had
been sleeping quite deeply and calmly just before the alarm went off.
In fact, during all the time that I have been using the app (almost 4
weeks now) I have never been woken up later than 2 minutes after the
beginning of the smart wake-up period, no matter when in the morning
and how long I set the period (usually between 20min and 30min).
So I did another "experiment". I set set up another (not phone
related) alarm clock to 1 hour before the Sleep as Android smart wake-
up period started, with a wake-up period duration of 20 min. I went
out of bed and left the phone there, so it wouldn't be moved/shaken
etc. at all. And it still went off at the beginning of the smart wake-
up period, although this time I supposedly would have really been in
a deep-sleeping phase.

Do you have any ideas why this is so? Is there a way to log the actual
acceleration data at the sampling frequency so that one could see what
the phone detects before the alarm starts?

Thanks again for your good support and best regards,

Max

[Max]

Hello Petr,

based on the comment by Michelle (who seems to have a somewhat related
problem with smart early wake-up) I completely reinstalled SAAD, but
this did not change anything. I am still woken up at the beginning of
the smart early wake-up no matter what.

Best regards,
Max

[Martin Stava]

Hi Max,

Have you tried to change sensitivity of smart early wake up to the
lowest number? That may help.

Thanks,
Martin

[Youri Feenstra]

Hello,

 

I'm having similar problems with the app myself. When I bought it around october 2011 it worked perfectly, but since some months the alarm goes off every morning either at the beginning of the smart-wake-up periode (while I'm still in een deep sleep) or at the end. I tried changing the sensitivity without any result. But then again, I didn't have to in the beginning.

 

Is there a way to get an older version of this app?

 

Youri

[Max]

Hi Martin,

yes, I did try changing the sensitivity but it still wakes me up at
the beginning of the smart wake-up period. I still wonder if there is
a way of analyzing the tracked acceleration data just prior to the
alarm. Does the software log these data in a file that you could read
afterward?

Best regards,

Max

[Petr Nalevka]

Hello Max,

could you please send a debug report after your whole night. There are actually aggregated date from the accelerometer. Maybe we will find out something from there.

Thank you.

Petr

[Max]

Hello Petr,

thank you for your help! I will send the bug report. Can you choose a
specific record or do I have to send in everything? Since I'm using
the German version, I only have "Mehr/Fehler anzeigen" from the main
menu. That's what you need, right?

Best regards,
Max

On 23 Feb., 13:12, Petr Nalevka <p...@nalevka.com> wrote:
> Hello Max,
>

[Martin Stava]

Hi,

You should not choose any record. Just do tracking over night as you
normally do, and if the early wake up works incorrectly use the option
to send debug report. You do not choose anything there it will send
recent logs. It is important to do that as soon as possible after the
alarm ring.

Yes, Fehler anziegen is the option.

Thanks,
Martin

[Max]

Hi Martin, hi Petr,

I just sent you the bug report with a little description.

Best regards,

Max

[Bora]

Hi,

I have the same problem. Any updates for this?

Thanks,

Bora

28 Şubat 2012 Salı 10:45:59 UTC+2 tarihinde Max yazdı:

[Jeff]

Hi,

I also have the same problem, and like Max I'm disappointed since I consider the early wake-up to be this app's most important feature. 

I've done the table experiment and it worked properly for me as well.

Any updates to this?

Jeff

[Martin Stava]

Hi,

We plan to introduce more debug information to a next release so that
we can better analyze the data. I hope we'll manage to do that release
next week. After it is in, it would help us if you can send us debug
reports so that we can investigate the problem.

Thanks,
Martin

[Bora]

OI have experimented a little bit with the app and out started working. It might have related to
optimal sleep time.
Also I cannot use the app because of my bed type. It is visco and does not vibrate.

31 Mar 2012 10:21 tarihinde "Jeff" <clar...@gmail.com> yazdı:

[Martin Stava]

Hi,

How exactly should it be related to optimal sleep time? Did you find
any settings change that makes early wake-up working properly for you?

Thanks,
Martin

[Bora]

I'm not really sure, I was tinkering with the optimal sleep time options and then it started working as it should. Only problem is that my bed won't vibrate a bit no matter how hard I move so I can't use the app.

2012/4/2 Martin Stava <mar...@stava.me>

[Martin Stava]

That sounds really unusual, normally the sensors are very sensitive
and you can detect even very subtle changes. If you try the sensor
test, does it do anything, do you see any changes at all there>

Cheers,
Martin

[Bora]

I see some changes when I throw myself at the bed but it won't get any movement when I sleep. Maybe my phone's (Galaxy Gio) sensors are crap.

2012/4/2 Martin Stava <mar...@stava.me>

[Martin Stava]

Unless you have Android 2.3.5 or higher, you need to make sure your
phone does not turn off screen, ideally you have to keep it in
charger. Otherwise no movement will be detected due to Android
limitations.

Cheers,
Martin

[Bora]

I have Android 2.3.6 and it was plugged all the time, the screen did not turn off.

2012/4/2 Martin Stava <mar...@stava.me>

[A-mak]

Is this topic still an open bug?

I too am experiencing this issue. Will start tinkering, if it's been resolved please advise of the solution.

[Petr Nalevka]

Hello,

could you please send a debug report in the morning after the alarm rings (alarmlist->menu->more->send debug)?

Thank you.

Petr

[Calico Jack]

I have this issue, too.

I uninstalled the app and reinstalled it.  

It still sounds the alarm ~40 minutes before the alarm is set for,

if I have the smart window set to 40 minutes.

It never sounds the alarm 20 minutes before, or 10 minutes before, or 30 minutes before--always 40 or 39 minutes before the alarm is set.

[Jiri Richter]

Jiri replied May 29, 16:38 Dear Jiri, thank you for your email. If smart wake up is not working, i.e. the alarm rings at the start of the smart period or exactly at the set alarm time, please go to Settings > Smart wake up > Movement intensity / Movement sensitivity. If the alarm rings too soon, please set these to lower sensitivity. If the alarm rings too late, please set these to higher sensitivity. Thank you very much. Best regards, Jiri Richter Urbandroid Team Did we help you? Please help us by rating our app. Follow us:  @UrbandroidTeam +Sleep as Android Betatesters Sleep as Android Googlegroup sent a message May 26, 13:34

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[Lucas Bittencourt Martins Moreira]

Hello everyone,

I hope this topic is still on.

It looks like I have the same problem.

I run Sleep as Android on a Moto Z2 and on a Samsung S7 Edge, Android 7.0. Both shows the same problem.

My alarm is set to 07:30, week days.

It always starts at exactly at 7:30. Every single day. Not once it ringed before.

I tried to tweak the sensitivity as suggested, but there was no difference.

Any suggestion here, please?

Thank you

Lucas

[Petr Nalevka]

Petr replied Sep 30, 23:44 Hello Sleep as Android, could you please send a debug report (menu button>report a bug, or see a video) in order to help us investigate this issue?

Thank you very much. Best regards,

Petr Nalevka

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Sep 28, 16:04

Hello everyone, I hope this topic is still on. It looks like I have the same problem. I run Sleep as Android on a Moto Z2 and on a Samsung S7 Edge, Android 7.0. Both shows the same problem. My alarm is set to 07:30, week days. It always starts at exactly at 7:30. Every single day. Not once it ringed before. I tried to tweak the sensitivity as suggested, but there was no difference. Any suggestion here, please? Thank you Lucas Em segunda-feira, 29 de maio de 2017 11:38:49 UTC-3, Jiri Richter escreveu:

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