Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 25, Issue 25
John Jackson
This allows them to make whatever ruling they like when the time comes and
claim it has been stated "Policy".
You will not get any real clarification.
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> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:39:43 +0100
> From: Marine Kelley<marine...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes
> To: Skye Menjou<skyem...@gmail.com>
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> I was wondering the same thing.
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> On 25/02/2012, Skye Menjou<skyem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What I am worrying about is that this will also go against RLV, which is in
>> wide use, even outside the Adult community.(We use it for some of our
>> combat systems).
>> LL, are you really trying to force people to use your client and piss off
>> most of SL userbase? I haven't seen such a terrible move since M Linden was
>> in charge.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Tillie Ariantho<til...@xp2.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Oskar,
>>>
>>>> 2.k You must not provide any feature that alters the shared experience
>>> of the virtual world in
>>>> any way not provided by or accessible to users of the latest released
>>> Linden Lab viewer.
>>>
>>> Ah hm...
>>>
>>> - What about text based viewers?
>>> - What about viewers on mobile devices?
>>> - What about special viewers for disabled people, that may have quite some
>>> different representation of everything?
>>>
>>> Or someone's just trying to connect a C64 virtual machine based viewer to
>>> SL, with its own, quite unique representation. What about that?
>>>
>>> The "shared experience" of all those is quite different from the LL
>>> viewer.
>>>
>>> And more:
>>>
>>> - What about the shared experience of very old LL viewers? Not allowed to
>>> copy/clone if its not in the "latest released Linden Lab viewer"?
>>> - What about LL viewers in DEV or BETA status? Have TPV devs to wait till
>>> a feature is officially out?
>>>
>>> Is there any grace period till the new policy is enforced? What about
>>> grace periods on client changes later, LL client removes something,
>>> do TPV devs have to remove it instantly, too (dont say now there is
>>> nothing being removed, I remember Avatar Ratings, for example).
>>>
>>> Tillie
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>> Have a nice day,
>> Skye Menjou
>>
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> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:24:22 -0500
> From: Adeon Writer<adeon...@live.com>
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes
> To: Skye Menjou<skyem...@gmail.com>
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> I'm pretty sure RLV doesn't modify the shared experience. Any feature of it that others can see will observe it in the same way as the official viewer.
>
> Perhaps I am interpreting this incorrectly?
>
> This rule will avoid thing like the original double attachments that main viewer saw incorrectly, or that OTR chat encryption thing.
>
> It wouldn't disallow derendering, since others on TPV's and others on official see it the same way (ie, they both see nothing happen at all and it doesn't violate privacy)
>
> Basically, as an official viewer user, "Don't invade my privacy, don't make me see the world incorrectly."
>
> Correct me if wrong.
>
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Skye Menjou<skyem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What I am worrying about is that this will also go against RLV, which is in wide use, even outside the Adult community.(We use it for some of our combat systems).
>> LL, are you really trying to force people to use your client and piss off most of SL userbase? I haven't seen such a terrible move since M Linden was in charge.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Tillie Ariantho<til...@xp2.de> wrote:
>> Hello Oskar,
>>
>>> 2.k You must not provide any feature that alters the shared experience of the virtual world in
>>> any way not provided by or accessible to users of the latest released Linden Lab viewer.
>> Ah hm...
>>
>> - What about text based viewers?
>> - What about viewers on mobile devices?
>> - What about special viewers for disabled people, that may have quite some different representation of everything?
>>
>> Or someone's just trying to connect a C64 virtual machine based viewer to SL, with its own, quite unique representation. What about that?
>>
>> The "shared experience" of all those is quite different from the LL viewer.
>>
>> And more:
>>
>> - What about the shared experience of very old LL viewers? Not allowed to copy/clone if its not in the "latest released Linden Lab viewer"?
>> - What about LL viewers in DEV or BETA status? Have TPV devs to wait till a feature is officially out?
>>
>> Is there any grace period till the new policy is enforced? What about grace periods on client changes later, LL client removes something,
>> do TPV devs have to remove it instantly, too (dont say now there is nothing being removed, I remember Avatar Ratings, for example).
>>
>> Tillie
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>>
>> --
>> Have a nice day,
>> Skye Menjou
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> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:02:03 -0800
> From: Kadah<kadah...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer Policy Changes
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> On 2/25/2012 4:08 AM, Tillie Ariantho wrote:
>> - What about text based viewers? - What about viewers on mobile
>> devices? - What about special viewers for disabled people, that may
>> have quite some different representation of everything?
>>
>> - What about the shared experience of very old LL viewers? Not
>> allowed to copy/clone if its not in the "latest released Linden Lab
>> viewer"? - What about LL viewers in DEV or BETA status? Have TPV
>> devs to wait till a feature is officially out?
> Same thing for out dated 3d viewers, not having current features or
> features that would be considered basic (like mesh or view of the
> world in 3d at all) has never been against the TVPD policy and still
> isn't.
> 2.k is regarding adding things that change it.
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Boroondas Gupte
> It's just another LL intentionally fuzzy policy.
> This allows them to make whatever ruling they like when the time comes and
> claim it has been stated "Policy".
>
> You will not get any real clarification.
@Oz: If the policy isn't being changed to be more clear, it might be advantageous to re-state the clarifications you gave us at that meeting (maybe summarized) here in public, as they are relevant for more people than those who were around at the inworld meeting.
Cheers,
Boroondas
