Is there a way to make boldface locators sort to the end of the list?

[Amanda Rodgers]

Hi everyone, I'm working on an index where some of the locators are figure numbers rather than page numbers, so a given entry might look like this: 

fonts: 35.6, 95, 254

What I want to do is force those boldface figure numbers to the end of the list (they refer to an online supplement to the text). Is there a way to make Sky do that? 

Sincerely,

Amanda Rodgers

http://www.chameleoneditorial.com

[Deborah Patton]

Should have also sent this to the list. Oops.

Deborah

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From: Deborah Patton <ma...@pattonindexing.com>
Date: On Wednesday, January 25th, 2023 at 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SKYIndexUsers] Is there a way to make boldface locators sort to the end of the list?
To: Amanda Rodgers <amanda.c...@gmail.com>

Yes, but you'll need hidden text (I think) to do it.

Whatever the last page is in the book, your hidden text needs to be a number or numbers greater than that. And they'd precede your boldface locators. I'd experiment about whether they need to be consecutively different numbers or all the same -- like 999 (though hidden).

Do you have John Bealle's SKY locator treatise http://www.bealleindexing.ej345.com/SkyLocators.html bookmarked? It's pretty dense but also really helpful with the hardest part about SKY.

/z1999/zo35.6

should put that locator at the end of the string since Sky will sort it as 99935.6

Deborah

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[Deborah Patton]

It just occurred to me there's a fast way to do this. Finish your indexing without inserting any hidden text. When you're done Find all locators in boldface

Find *

in page field

in boldface

When you have that group, select them all and when selected go to

Tools>Add prefix to selected records

Choose the page field

In the text box, type

Ctrl T (to hide) then 999

And say okay and all the boldface records should now be sorting at the end of the string.

Test a few first, but I think that's the easiest way to do it.

Deborah

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[Line by Line Indexing]

That's the way I would do it too, Deborah!  Great explanation.

Michelle 

Michelle Guiliano

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[Amanda Rodgers]

Thanks so much! Unfortunately, as soon as I hide the 999 (ctrl+T), Sky skips right over it for some reason and puts it right back where it was before.

Sincerely,

Amanda Rodgers

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[Jochen Fassbender]

Hello all,

Getting awake in the middle of the (European) night I see this question.

Answer: no need for hidden text and adding prefixes. Instead

1) Just go to Options > Index Options > Locators

2) Activate "Recognize Volume Labels"

3) Input and Output Separators should be a period

After clicking OK, locators do sort the way Amanda wants.

Getting back to sleep + best wishes,
Jochen

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[Nigel D'Auvergne]

Hi Jochen

 

I’m impressed you can think so straight in the middle of the night!

 

Nigel

 

 

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[Amanda Rodgers]

Thanks so much, Jochen!! I hope you aren't too tired today. :) 

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[Jochen Fassbender]

Hi Amanda and Nigel,

No, I'm not tired because of that. And thanks for the compliment. I guess it was just a nightly inspiration :-)

I instantly thought that the solution has something to do with volume labels. In this case there are two different types of locators: regular page numbers and something like section numbers. Activating volume labels obviously sorts page numbers first because they don't have a volume number.

Incidentally, the resulting order of locators has nothing to do with Locator Format Priority. Those section numbers could also be italic and still sort the way they are.

Best,
Jochen

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