Re: Gas Prices
Rob Stow
> I'd like to inform anybody that does not know, the closing gas prices for
> most stations in Saskatoon tonight, was 91.9 cents/L. Martensville, 10
> minutes away, has been much cheaper, as the Co-Op closed at 86.9, the Shell
> and TR Petrolium had both closed at 85.5. I'm not sure if it would be worth
> the drive for a smaller car, but for an SUV, it would probably be worth it
> to gas up there.
>
>
Ouch! I just gassed up at 7 am today for 83.9 in Moose Jaw -
plus the usual 3.5 cents/liter discount that all the retailers give.
dnmgiordano
"Kirby" <xplo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'd like to inform anybody that does not know, the closing gas prices for
> most stations in Saskatoon tonight, was 91.9 cents/L. Martensville, 10
> minutes away, has been much cheaper, as the Co-Op closed at 86.9, the
> Shell
> and TR Petrolium had both closed at 85.5. I'm not sure if it would be
> worth
> the drive for a smaller car, but for an SUV, it would probably be worth it
> to gas up there.
>
>
Have you ever gone to the racetrac gas just north of martensville? They are
about 2cents cheaper than martensville. I guess if you have a real gas
guzzler the extra 10 minutes from martensville might be worth it.
Michelle Giordano
Rob Stow
If you have a gas-hog that needs 14L/100 km on the highway, then
driving 30 km each way from ToonTown to "racetrac gas" would
consume about 8.4 L of gas - or about $7 worth of gas, depending
on the exact price. So if you savings are 10 cents/L, you need
to buy 70 L to break even on your trip - assuming, of course that
you place no value on the time it takes you to make the trip.
If the savings are only 7 cents/L, then you need to be buy about
100 L to break even.
Hence, if you buy 100 L of gas and your break-even point was 70L
and the savings is 10 cents/L, then your trip nets you a grand
total of 3 bucks. Thats like getting paid less than minimum wage
for the 40+ minutes it would take for the trip.
It all boils down to whether you have nothing better to do with
your time and whether your gas tank is big enough.
dnmgiordano
"Rob Stow" <rob.sto...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Good math. LOL I never thought of it that way because I go near there every
weekend.
Michelle Giordano
Rob Stow
I drag out that kind of math every time some half-wit tells me I
should fill up in Regina instead of Moose Jaw because prices are
often a few cents/L lower in Regina. Buying gas in Regina makes
sense for Moose Jaw residents if they are going there anyway, but
it is never worth making a special trip.
But when I do go to Regina I try to remember to take along my 5
gallon plastic gas can ;-)
dnmgiordano
>
> I drag out that kind of math every time some half-wit tells me I should
> fill up in Regina instead of Moose Jaw because prices are often a few
> cents/L lower in Regina. Buying gas in Regina makes sense for Moose Jaw
> residents if they are going there anyway, but it is never worth making a
> special trip.
>
> But when I do go to Regina I try to remember to take along my 5 gallon
> plastic gas can ;-)
>
I will keep my half-wit ideas to myself. :)
Michelle Giordano
BShooter
Don't make a trip to Regina this week, we have the same 91.9 prices at every
major retailer. If I had a slip tank for my truck, it would be a no brainer
to head for Moose Jaw.
qwave
gas bar and save 5 cents/litre. Domo always gives 2 cents/litre cash off the
posted price, and they do full serve. But whatever the case, 90 cents, 85
cents, even 60 cents, it's all obscenely overpriced anyways. I'd drive a Geo
(50mpg +) but those things are just scary on the highway!
We should sell 85 octane gas here, like they do in the states. It's always
way cheaper, and everybody with an older car burns it (this gas doesn't work
well in newer fuel injection engines).
JD
gimps you know. :)
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Rod
Target
qwave
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JaremyT
modified turbo car, definately required ) and superstore today charged
97.9/litre (6c/l more than regular) instead of the 10c/l all the other
places charge for premium. Then the 5c /l coupon off the food (i believe
$3.27 today) is 11c/l less than other places.
My question is the quality of gas, i have heard it's the same as esso gas,
can anyone confirm this?
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Rod
each company puts in. Most all, if not all the gasoline in Saskatoon
comes from the storage facility on 11th street and Avenue W in Saskatoon.
Remember in Canada and esp. in Saskatchewan, the majority of the fuel
prices is taxes.
JaremyT
refinery...and like you say, different additives? Esso used to rate their
premium @92 octane vs. 91 for the rest...again however i'm not sure if that
was real or bs --J
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mydaj [ROR]
yes there are a lot of taxes on gas, however that is not the only
reason why gas is so expensive. Gas in Saskatoon is way more then
small citys. I blame the big oil companies, they price set. I bet the
local owners profit of this scheme of the big oil companies as well,
don't excuse the price totally on taxes, people are also being hosed
by the oil companies and *possibly* the local owner operators
Rod
terrible practice to do this. Unfortunately, thats what happens in a
monopoly.
As far as the local owners go, most stations automatically change the
price if fuel when it goes up. I worked at a local Esso station a few
years back, and when the price went up, everything but the sign would
change by itself.
The cost vs. tax arguement I was bringing up related mainly to the US
vs. Canadian price of fuel. The US fuel seems so much cheaper because
the taxes at the pump are nowhere near what they are here.
Everyone says boycott, and it just doesn't work....the only thing that
may have some impact is buying smaller vehicles...but even then there
would be a minimum impact.
Fashioned
>Remember in Canada and esp. in Saskatchewan, the majority of the fuel
>prices is taxes.
explain your undeducated answer.
fed tax is 10 cents
prov tax is 15 cents
and GST
how does a 91 cent/L charge constitute the MAJORITY of the cost?
El Scorcho
do it.
If we could all avoid the big three ( Esso, Shell, Petro Canada) and go to
smaller vendors suck as Mohawk, or which ever, maybe the big three would
lower prices a little. But people are way too lazy to go down the block and
avoid the big three so this never works. I myself will never fill at the big
3, unless I am on I (Expensive) and I have to , then I will only put in a 10
spot to do me till I get to Superstore or Extra Foods. I will take the 5
cents a litre refund, better then nothing.
Also, doesn't Petro Canada make you mad? They where supposed to be the
"watchdog" on gas prices for the Canadian people. Now they are one of the
first to raise the gas price when it starts to move, pisses me off!
anyway, just my opinion, and everyone is entitled to it!
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DS
http://www.caa.ca/gasprice/breakdown.html
Note those figures are form 2003. The base price presumably includes
supplier cost+markup...so we've probably got at least a 25% increase
from the 40 cents listed there just to account for rising crude prices.
Anything extra would be cash grabs on behalf of the suppliers and
retailers.
Back when gas prices were around 60 cents, I suppose you could argue
taxes were close to 50% of the cost, not anymore.
Cheers
James
Rod
this late at night, and didn't correctly set up the statement.
The majority of price difference between Canadian fuel vs. US fuel
prices are taxes. (There was some discussion of US fuel being cheaper in
an earlier thread).
The average Canadian fuel prices are 15 cents per litre higher in Canada
because of tax.
Price breakdowns:
Saskatchewan (Regina)
Avg pump price: 86.6 cents/litre
Crude: 40.2 cents/litre
Marketing: 6.5 cents/litre
Refining: 9.2 cents/litre
Taxes: 30.7 cents/litre
Minnesota (Minneapolis)
Avg. pump price: 61.8 cents/litre (converted)
Crude: 40.2 cents/litre
Marketing: 2.7 cents/litre
Refining: 5.9 cents/litre
Taxes: 13.0 cents/litre
Canada (Average)
Avg. pump price: 83.5 cents/litre
Crude: 40.0 cents/litre
Marketing: 4.5 cents/litre
Refining: 7.0 cents/litre
Taxes: 32.0 cents/litre
USA (Average)
Avg. pump price: 65.3 cents/litre
Crude: 39.0 cents/litre
Marketing: 5.0 cents/litre
Refining: 6.2 cents/litre
Taxes: 15.1 cents/litre
Price difference (Can Average vs. USA average)
83.5-65.3= 18.2 cents/litre after tax (pump prices)
51.5-50.2= 1.3 cents/litre tax removed (removes from pump prices)
A comparison of raw prices for refined gasoline, between Canada and the
USA (averages), the price difference is approx. 1 cent different, which
manifests itself in the crude oil costs between the countries.
Therefore, boycotting the oil companies is not the answer, because as
you can see, the majority of the difference is caused by taxes. In
Canada, (based on average numbers), approx. 40% of the pump price is tax.
So you are correct, the majority of the pump price is NOT tax, but it is
approaching half.
Sources:
Shell Canada Website, and all links from:
http://www.shell.ca/code/products/consumer/gas_pricing/gasoline_today/energy_gasoline.html#9
ztip guy
> can see, the majority of the difference is caused by taxes. In Canada,
> (based on average numbers), approx. 40% of the pump price is tax.
Precisely. The thing to do is to 'boycott' the taxman by driving slow,
driving real slow, and burning little fuel.
I drive to Calgary at 40mph from somewhere in Saskatchewan at night on the
highway. Takes between 11 and 13 hours, but I can get there in my
relatively big car for $35 worth of fuel.
If I drove a VW diesel, the cost would fall to around $20.
Also, with diesel engines, theres other opportunities to avoid taxes.
Biodiesel, for example, isn't taxable in Saskatchewan as far as I know.
Rod
Mr Law
> highway. Takes between 11 and 13 hours, but I can get there in my
> relatively big car for $35 worth of fuel.
Did you know that driving like that is illegal? The posted speed limit is 68
mph. You are driving 41% slower than the rest of the traffic. Serisouly, it is
against the law to be that much out of tune with the traffic around you.
Curious, are you 85+ staring between the steering wheel and dashboard in your
5th Avenue?
Going too slow is also dangerous to people who are obeying the posted rates of
speed. It is a good idea in you keeping your name anonymous. Google would keep
that information for many years to come.
Nichevo
Sure it is, Canada is a net exporter of oil, we have a surplus versus
our demand, this should lower our prices. The states is clearly a
consumer with tons of demand.
ztip guy
>> I drive to Calgary at 40mph from somewhere in Saskatchewan at night on
>> the
>> highway. Takes between 11 and 13 hours, but I can get there in my
>> relatively big car for $35 worth of fuel.
>
> Did you know that driving like that is illegal? The posted speed limit is
> 68
> mph. You are driving 41% slower than the rest of the traffic. Serisouly,
> it is
> against the law to be that much out of tune with the traffic around you.
Ever actually read a highway sign? It says "MAXIMUM 100 km/hr". Keyword is
"MAXIMUM". You may legally drive at any speed below that you want. I chose
to drive
at between 75km/hr and 80km/hr, and since it is a free country, it is
entirely my prerogative as a driver to make that decision. Basically I
adjust speed so that I am getting 40mpg on my car's computer display.
Since I drive overnight, the only people who may possibly be annoyed with my
slow driving are the long distance truckers. Most of them are now governed
to 90km/hr due to the rising fuel prices, so they are used to being passed
and passing.
> Curious, are you 85+ staring between the steering wheel and dashboard in
> your
> 5th Avenue?
No I am in my mid 20's.
> Going too slow is also dangerous to people who are obeying the posted
> rates of
> speed. It is a good idea in you keeping your name anonymous. Google
> would keep
> that information for many years to come.
On the entire run to Calgary I maybe encounter a half-dozen cars at night.
I start just after sunset, and hit Strathmore just when those 5am commutters
are starting to make their way into Calgary. I annoy a few of them, but who
cares, the Saskatchewan plates *clearly* are an excuse.
Arrive in Calgary about 6-7am, get to my place, sleep till noon, and I'm
good for an afternoon of meetings/etc.
Rat
traffic, I must point out that though driving as slow as you want may not
be technically illegally, it is still extremely dangerous.
I have on some occassions come up on a vehicle extremely quickly because
they were driving too slow (i.e. 65KM/h in a 100KM/h zone). That is just
plane wrong. If you are going to drive that slow, get over to the shoulder
when someone is approaching from behind.
Driving too slow makes you a hazard according to the Saskatchewan Drivers
Handbook printed by SGI.
If you don't believe me, check under section 5.1 Hazards.
Also in the handbook under Basic Driving skills and the road.
Regardless of the posted, or basic, speed limit you must never travel faster
than conditions allow for safe and reasonable passage. At the same time,
travelling too slowly can be hazardous. You should never drive at a speed
slow enough to impede or block other traffic, unless proper safety
precautions have been taken.
Now to try and fix those people who try to merge into an 80KM/H zone at 40KM
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Yosh70
spend 7-8 just to save a few bux in gas, thats your perogative.
Sounds kinda petty tho.....
ztip guy
> Hey if you wanna spend 12-13 hrs behind the wheel when you only have to
> spend 7-8 just to save a few bux in gas, thats your perogative.
> Sounds kinda petty tho.....
Let's see. Calgary is precisely 700km doorstep to doorstep for me, give or
take 1 or 2km.
Driving at 100km/hr = 7 hours
Driving at 75km/hr = 9 hours, 20 minutes
Fuel burned @ 30mpg = 56.437L
Fuel burned @ 40mpg = 42.328L
Difference in fuel burned == 14.109L
At today's pump price of 90 cents/L, cost difference = $12.70
Given a marginal rate of income tax of 40%, the rate I pay, I actually have
to earn $21.164 on the job to make that up.
The extra 2 hours spent on the road ends up working out to being the
equivilant of working for $10.59/hour.
Not too shabby, eh, by slowing down to 75km/hr, and spending an extra 2
hours on the trip, its like being on the job at $10.59/hour.
The real bonus is that if I were to drive at 30mpg, I'd have to also refuel
in between there (since my tank is 60L), and fuel tends to be expensive
between here and Calgary, but cheap both here and in Calgary.
So I don't end up having to refuel at all, and with only 42.3L burned, I can
do a fair amount of driving in Calgary before fuelling up and driving back
to Saskatchewan.
Rod
sell its resources for any less than it sells the same resources to
other nations (specifically the USA and Mexico (NAFTA).
This is the reason why gasoline, diesel, and other fossil fuels are the
same price for Canadians as it is for the exported countries.
A ban by the average citizen isn't going to make a dent in the fuel
companies. When I drove truck, we would spend at least $500.00/day on
diesel...at least....a far cry from the $20.00 every day or two that the
consumber uses in town.
Now if the transport companies would boycott the oil companies, we would
be talking about a more major impact.
Rod
ztip guy
> Now if the transport companies would boycott the oil companies, we would
> be talking about a more major impact.
But then they would go out of business and the economy would shut down.
Economic suicide.
A lot of them are getting more agressive in terms of derating the
performance of their fleet. See my example, re: my driving at 75km/hr to
reduce fuel consumption. Do that on a big rig and the numbers are
significantly more dramatic.
Rod
actually help reduce emmissions of big trucks up to 25% (friction).
Most trucks are NOT governing their speed @ 90km/h these days...Yanke, I
believe still does for most of their vehicles. 90km/h has been a safety
issue in some places, especially two way highways where drivers get
angry and impatient, then pass before safe.
In your view, 90km/h may be safe, and usually is in Saskatchewan, but
take these vehicles to Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, and other major US
cities, and they just are not safe to drive on some roadways at that
speed, these vehicles become a hazard on high speed roads.
Now we all know that the oil companies wouldn't lose money, they would
just increase prices on other oil products that we cannot boycott, such
as natural gas, kerosene, and the price of fuel would go higher as well,
therefore everyone would still pay to keep the profit margins up.
Personally, I don't mind paying high taxes when there are clear
indication of where the money is going. The 15 cents/litre fuel tax in
Saskatchewan is NOT all going to the roads, because if it was we would
certainly have excellent roadways in this province.
On a similar note, the federal government is giving back fuel taxes to
the cities, and Atch. is going to make his legacy bridge (circle drive
south), AND increase property tax by 7%....talk about an issue....I
think it is time to move this to the political thread... (what is it
sk.politics??)
Rod
Rob Stow
> Actually, the Free Trade Act clearly states that one country may not
> sell its resources for any less than it sells the same resources to
> other nations (specifically the USA and Mexico (NAFTA).
>
> This is the reason why gasoline, diesel, and other fossil fuels are the
> same price for Canadians as it is for the exported countries.
>
> A ban by the average citizen isn't going to make a dent in the fuel
> companies. When I drove truck, we would spend at least $500.00/day on
> diesel...at least....a far cry from the $20.00 every day or two that the
> consumber uses in town.
Wow. I didn't think it would be that much.
And that bring me to something I've been thinking about for the
past few days: diesel fuel is burned to deliver gas and diesel
from the refineries to the pumps. Hence, when the price of oil
goes up, how much of the subsequent increase in gas prices is due
to increases in the cost of delivering the gas to the retailers ?
Similarly, I would expect that most of the energy used in the
process of refineing oil comes from burning oil.
quarts
isn't just gas and diesel fuel that refineries sell when a barrel is
processed. How much do they make on a barrel of processed oil.
SHIVER ME TIMBERS
> > A ban by the average citizen isn't going to make a dent in the fuel
> > companies. When I drove truck, we would spend at least $500.00/day on
> > diesel...at least....a far cry from the $20.00 every day or two that the
> > consumber uses in town.
> Rob Stow <rob.sto...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Wow. I didn't think it would be that much.
The president of WestJet stated yesterday that when the price of a
barrel of oil goes up by one dollar their fuel costs increase by five
million dollars.
At that rate.... At fifty bucks a barrel they must be paying over 250
million dollars a year for fuel.
And that is for an airline with a small fleet of about twenty planes.
Now imagine what Air Canada pays with their fleet.
You can see why Jetsgo got into trouble by lowballing their fares.