03 Kia Rio
Warren
-Aluminum wheels
-Canyon red
-Air Conditioning, Tilt, cruise control, power windows, power locks,
automatic mirrors.
This car is in excellent condition, the vehicle was fully serviced in May
of 06, (trans. oil was replaced with Amsoil ATF.)
Engine oil was changed every 3months or 5000km religiously with Petro
Canada Semi- Synthetic, and a Napa Gold filter (Wix-BEST filter!!)
The reason we are selling is that we are a growing family and just bought
a van, therefore we don't really need it.
Looking for $9700 or best reasonable offer.
Many people don't like Kia, but we have driven this car with absolutely NO
trouble. We wouldn't hesitate to buy one again.
Call Tammy @ 261-5712
Photos will be available soon.
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sn00p
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da dude
now wouldn't it! You could go to
http://www.canadatrader.com/home/saskatchewan/?fsa=Z9Z and get a feel of
what they are selling for in the local market, or go to
http://www.vmrcanada.com/ in which you'll find that your car comes in around
the $8000 mark for retail. All in all, only the actual owner knows what his
car is worth to him and to others with cheaper stuff knows what their junk
is worth as well!
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Warren
Warren
someone came with 8k, it might not be out of the question to accept it.
vahooka
got 8200 from sgi.
Warren
sn00p
(thats right, its meant to price it for making money on it) to spend
money on reconditioning it to a safe and comfortable standard.... yeah
yeah it needs nothing....they all say that and then the dealer spends
$1000 on it. the important part is that the banks look at it knowing
thats all they'll get when they repo it and dispose of it through dealer
auction
either way, my point through all this is that blackbook is accurate and
a recognized measure of its worth, how you interpret it is up to you.
go ahead and freak out because its not going to make you millions or
complain vs what something else reads, i don't much care, i'm only
posting as a favour because its a paid subscription service to have
instant access to blackbook values, something you need a dealer license
to get for yourself
my own opinion on this particular car, if it matters to anyone, is that
it would indeed bring $4000 at a dealer auction, the dealer would pay
the auction a fee around $300, ship it back to his dealership for around
$200, recondition it for around $1000, leaving him with a cost of around
$5500, then he'd want to make $2000 (and that's fine and normal, a
dealer in business should be entitled to make money, he's not a public
service) on it so he'd plan for accepting $7500 for it, thus marking it
up to around $8500 so that the next guy that doesn't know or understand
wholesale can have his trade in overinflated to keep him from freaking
out about what its worth, so the whole process can start over again in
reselling the trade in. that said, i could buy this car myself at
auction for that $4000 so i wouldn't pay the $7500 it should sell for,
most others can't attend dealer only auctions. if you want piece of mind
in what you're buying so that the $1000 in hidden reconditioning isn't
your problem.... go buy it from a dealer, if you'd rather take your
chances, pay less than you would at a dealer. but don't pay a dealer
price on a private deal unless you know the car extremely well.
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qwave
blackbook gives dealer only prices, for dealer only auctions, what good
is it to regular consumers?!? Were you actually expecting the seller to
drop the price by $5700???
I know dealer types ... I've made the mistake of buying cars off of them
before. I bought a car from a dealer type once that looked great. It
even ran great. Turns out it was a previous total loss. They patched it
together with cosmetic fixes, and sold it as though it were never
damaged. It had two out of four engine mounts attached (and one of the
two was hanging on by one bolt, the other bolts having been sheered off
in the block) and had many other problems. Ended up losing a fortune on
that. Thankfully I know more about cars now and what to look for.
These dealer types, they're in the game to make money. And they'll do
that, by any means necessary.
vahooka
sn00p
boo hoo. one bad dealer doesn't make them all bad, much like 1 person
pouncing on a post in usenet out of ignorance and not knowing what he's
talking about doesn't make all usenet users bad.
for your $5700 price drop....why should a dealer drop a price for a
consumer, the dealer needs to make money not that any dealer makes that
anyways, you based that on an overinflated price to begin with so it's not
like its a $5700 price drop anyways. my point is that a private deal should
be cheaper, if you pay a private deal just as much money as a dealer, you're
a sucker. a dealer at least has standards to meet and you have recourse on
a bad purchase, just because you got took, obviously you don't have the
smarts to figure out how to do anything about it. there are things like the
consumer protection act and better business bureau that a respectable
business works with, if they don't care.... you didn't pick a respectable
dealer.
of course a dealer in business is in business to make money, what else are
they doing? squandering some inheritance or lottery untill its gone?
my constructive and helpfull point is, you should pay less on a private deal
than from a dealership, otherwise.... why wouldn't you buy with confidence
from a respectable dealership? by respectable, i mean a franchised dealer,
someone affiliated with a manufacturer of sorts. the ones who sell purely
used can only buy from an auction, at least a franchised dealer can offer
trade ins, warranty, local vehicles, manufacturer support in case you're
unhappy. the private guy has none of this. make sense? or does this piss
you off to a point of flaming me out of ignorance again?
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qwave
didn't like and you didn't have a response, so you barked at me. Typical.
sn00p
exactly is typical?news:7cxvh.821976$1T2.788454@pd7urf2no...
Goro
I personally would never by anything from Kia. 3 people I know from
bought ones and swore they would never do that again.
Pieces of crap they all said. All kinds of problems, from electircal,
body and engine.
On Jan 29, 8:56 pm, "sn00p" <s...@haveashittyday.com> wrote:
> pointless? i believe you called it? how did i not have a response, and what
> exactly is typical?"qwave" <qwav...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:7cxvh.821976$1T2.788454@pd7urf2no...
> >> "qwave" <qwav...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>http://www.canadatrader.com/home/saskatchewan/?fsa=Z9Zand get a feel
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> what they are selling for in the local market, or go to
> >>>>>>http://www.vmrcanada.com/in which you'll find that your car comes in
> >>>>>> around
> >>>>>> the $8000 mark for retail. All in all, only the actual owner knows
> >>>>>> what his
> >>>>>> car is worth to him and to others with cheaper stuff knows what their
> >>>>>> junk
> >>>>>> is worth as well!
>
> >>>>>> "sn00p" <s...@haveashittyday.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:12rpn2t...@corp.supernews.com...
> >>>>>>> it blackbooks at $4000
> >>>>>>> "Warren" <warr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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sn00p
is much much faster and simpler, its one page full of drop downs and it
breaks out x-clean, clean, average, and rough, as opposed to just a
range. its not particularily expensive either, i prefer to use it on my
handheld so that i can look it up any time rather than being tied to a
desk, but thanks
qwave54
> I personally would never by anything from Kia. 3 people I know from
> bought ones and swore they would never do that again. Pieces of crap
> they all said. All kinds of problems, from electircal, body and engine.
>
>
I've had my '01 Rio LS for a year now and haven't had any major problems
with it. It's a cheap car (as in price) so you have to take that into
consideration. I've had to get one wheel bearing replaced, and I had the
fuel injection worked on due to a factory recall. Other than that, it's
been just regular maintenance. Many problems I've read about people having
are mostly due to lack of maintenance.
I've had MANY problems with the GM crap we drive at work. Nothing but
junk, the entire lineup, IMO.
So, obviously, to each his own. YMMV, etc.
Warren
A quick glance at the autotrader online shows Kias with that mileage on
them going for around the same price as we are asking. SGI uses the
"average" market value of the vehicle when settling claims, and NOT the
blackbook value.
I don't care who you are, what you claim to know, or how "privledged" you
are to have access to the blackbook online. To subscribe to it you need
to be a dealer, banker, insurance broker, but at the same time, I, joe
shmow just has to ask to look at one, if I choose to do so.
Here is the deal..the car is in excellent condition, still has warranty,
has cruise control and all the options...it gets great fuel mileage. Oil
has always been changed, using a Petro Canada synthetic blend oil.
Transmission was serviced using Amsoil. Tune up and all other maintenance
was done regularly.
The car is worth every penny, period.
Warren
Warren
A Kia, Toyota, Ford, GM, etc has their share of problems....Hey a Ford
Focus has had as many problems as any other car!!
I drive Crown Vics all day....solid Car, squeeks and rattles, starts every
time....we get the odd one that is just simply a piece of crap, right from
new. It happens.
In regards to this guys comment about dealers and money making. The
dealer is making a profit on a car (which they paid wholesale for). Out
of that profit, they pay the salesperson, a portion of all other staff
wages, building, lights, water, property tax, and so on. On top of that,
you have to pay BOTH GST and PST on the car, AFTER the mark up.
Here Im selling a car, just to get out of it. We are in NO way 'making'
money on this vehicle, PERIOD.
Oh, and you only have to pay one tax.
Either way, you are still ahead.
Warren
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get your money from SGI because I doubt you're going to get anything above
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sn00p
oh that's right because it aint worth it and the dealer wont pay you
that kind of price. you want more than a dealer can get for that kind
of car. or did you buy privately? if you did its because it was cheaper
right? and that's exactly my point. a private deal brings less money
than a dealer simply because theres more risk involved. no bullshit
there. you want too much money for your car and thats all there is to
it, it aint ever gonna be worth 9650. ask 8000 and youll be closer (and
id still expect to dicker off that mark... 7500 is probably in line for it)
or better yet, ask your bank if they'll lend you 9650 plus pst for it?
betcha they wont cause its too much money and too much risk, you'd have
to do a line of credit so they can take your house instead
Warren
I paid about 3k less than the lot wanted. This guy had every service
receipt from day one, and had all the options the ones at the dealer had.
I saved the GST I would have paid at the lot, and that is it. I don't
regret it for a minute.
Hey, give me 8 for the damn thing then...I mean whatever.
sn00p
good as you say, nobody can knock its condition without seeing it.
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Warren
bought the van privately because it was less money? You didn't read
well...the only reason it was less was because I didn't have to pay the
feds 6 points. The asking price was nearly that of the lots, the selling
point was the complete maintenance history, ON PAPER!
So I don't think your point (if it was as I stated above), was much of a
point.
sn00p
I paid about 3k less than the lot wanted"
and now you say you paid the same as what the lot wanted? then you overpaid.
should have just bought it from a respectable dealer. now you have no
recourse no nothing, if this had a bad history of any sort, there's sweet
tweet you can do about it on mr. private deal. any history he provided you
is what he wanted you to see, if he didn't want you to see it, he wouldn't
provide it, that's sure tough to figure out. a dealership has recourse if
anything turns sour, your private deal that you just paid the exact amount
for, no recourse, tough titty, thats it thats all. dumb move. whatever you
think you saved on gst you made up by paying the whole shebang on pst, it
woulda been on the difference too from trading. pay all of 1 tax or 1/2 of
2 taxes, same friggin thing. unless it all comes down to the main point....
you want too much money for your car and it aint gonna bring it.
and now...i'm done, i really don't much care how you conduct your purchases,
that's your problem.... i only posted black book and don't need to defend
it. good luck in life, i'm sure i'll never see you in my dealership
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da dude
picking it to pieces! Do you want the guy to pay you to take it or what?
Yes, there is a difference between street value and dealership, and black
book pricing; but guess what? He's not trying to sell it at a dealership or
by blackbook. He's trying to get a fair street or private seller value for
his car, just like the thousands of others that sell cars privately daily.
Hell if I sold my 96 windstar by blackbook, the money I would get wouldn't
cover the cost of the front and rear bumpers and the tires out at Amigo's
wrecking! So
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Warren
where it really doesn't belong...AGAIN!
sn00p
it's worth, if you'd car to post about me personally, then go right ahead,
it'll sure help you look like a good person to buy a car from.... dumbassnews:op.tm8wm...@tk-smydo135sohv.ss.shawcable.net...
