Licensing costs for SIRI?

[Sean Barbeau]

Hi SIRI developers,

Are there any licensing costs associated with the implementation of software that produces or consumes data formatted according to the SIRI standard?

I just had a conversation with someone who stated that there were licensing costs for SIRI, but I have never heard this before.

I reviewed the "Terms of Use" on the SIRI site, and it seems to clearly state that the license is "royalty-free":
http://www.kizoom.com/standards/siri/termsOfUse.htm

I just wanted to confirm this with the group to make sure I'm not missing anything.

Thanks,
Sean

Sean Barbeau, Ph.D.
Center for Urban Transportation Research
University of South Florida

[Roger Slevin]

Sean

 

SIRI is indeed royalty-free … so whoever said otherwise is wrong!  As a European standard, the only cost is that of obtaining the documentation from one of the European standards agencies.

 

Best wishes

 

Roger Slevin

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[Abe]

Hi Sean,

Good hearing from you. There are no licensing charges for SIRI. However, from time to time, I have heard from others about companies who charge for licensing and service to convert proprietary formats into SIRI. Of course, this has nothimg to do with SIRI.

Abe
Utah Transit Authority

[Ofer Porat]

Hello

In Israel we use SIRI SM and VM in our applications.

Do you know about other worldwide implementations that uses (operational)
other SIRI services (PT,ST...).

Regards

Ofer Porat
Israel MOT consultant

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[Christophe Duquesne]

Hi Ofer

Here in France we are also using GM.
We are also currently extending our French local agreement to include ET and SX.

Kind regards

Christophe Duquesne
Aurige

2013/4/14 Ofer Porat <oferp...@gmail.com>

[Ofer Porat]

Hi Christophe

 

can you give a little bit more details ? - What are the projects, the high level architecture and involved stakeholders ?

 

What will be the use of the ET and SX ?

 

What SIRI version will be implemented ?

 

Thanks

 

Ofer

[Bruns, Winfried]

Hi,

 

That ist he information, I collected some time ago on our website http://mitglieder.vdv.de/en/wir_ueber_uns/vdv_projekte/siri.html:

 

SIRI References

 

Germany (installations by German Companies within Germany and abroad)

 

init AG www.init-ka.de supports the following services: SIRI Stop Monitoring services (SM) subscription SIRI Stop Monitoring services (SM) request/response SIRI Vehicle Monitoring service (VM) SIRI Production Timetables service (PT) SIRI Estimated Timetable service (ET) There are installations in: LCC Leicester BAC Dublin SWM München Trafikanten Oslo GVTA Vancouver MDV Muenchen http://www.mentzdv.de/ Transport for London (Great Britain): Service: SIRI ET Partner: London River Services Transport for London (Great Britain): Service: SIRI GM Partner: Kizoom Ltd. Suffolk County Council (Great Britain): Service: SIRI PT, ET, VM, SX Partner: Moviken-SLE, Mobisoft Hannoversche Informationstechnologien (Germany): Service: SIRI SX Partner: Verkehrsverbund Bremen-Niedersachsen, Hacon

 

France (4/2010)

 

Ineo (AVMS provider) in Amiens, Rouen, Rennes and Centre Essonne - for Bus network SNCF : national level- for rail network Sytral in Lyon - for bus, metro and tram network RATP : Ile de France (mainly Paris...) - for bus, metro and tram network Transdev in Montpellier - for Bus network STIF in Ile de France (alla networks) Kéolis : Centre Essonne, Versailles - for Bus network Véolia : in Ile de France Lumiplan (AVMS provider) Main used services are : Stop Monitoring et General Message plus Check Status, and some Discovery services and comming : Facility Monitoring, Situation Exchange and Vehicle Monitoring Project information (3/2011): - name :COWS and PEPSI for RATP, - Country and City or region where SIRI is used: France. Ile de france area - Company name which uses SIRI: RATP, SNCF, VEOLIA, KEOLIS - Company which has built or delivered the SIRI solution: IXXI for RATP. - The SIRI services used in the project: Only stop monitoring and general message.

 

United Kingdom (4/2010)

 

Kizoom uses it to connect about 16 real-time systems to the national traveline system which has timetable for the whole country and real time for some areas. For one example see http://leicestertravel.info/ The SIRI framework is now also being used in the UK UTMC XML framework for road traffic e.g. see http://utmc.uk.com/technical/04.php Atleast 50 sites in the uk using SIRI since some of the main AVL suppliers, e.g. ACIS are using it for all their installations.

 

USA

 

Project Information (4/2011) - Project name: MTA Bus Time - Country and City or region where SIRI is used: New York City - Company name which uses SIRI: Metropolitan Transportation Authority (public transport operator for New York City) - Company which has built or delivered the SIRI solution: OpenPlans and Verifone - The SIRI services used in the project: VehicleMonitoring and StopMonitoring

 

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Winfried Bruns 

Verband Deutscher Verkehrsunternehmen
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Fachbereichsleiter  Informationsverarbeitung

Fon: 0221 57979-120, Fax: 0221 57979-8120
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[Roger Slevin]

For the UK I am not the best person to give you the full picture - but SIRI is widely used within the UK.

 

The national “NextBuses” service makes extensive use of SIRI_SX.  The architecture of this service, very simply, involves a national platform to which users make their enquiries.  That national platform determines where it can get real-time information from for the requested stop - and also from which traveline region it can get scheduled times for that same stop.  It sends two enquiries out - one to the real-time system, and one to the regional traveline system.  The responses from those two enquiries are blended to give (as far as possible) the real-time information where it exists - and the scheduled times for services which do not have real-time information - in the response sent to the enquirer.  This means that we have nationwide coverage through a single information service, whether or not an area is covered with real-time information - including for stops where only some services are known by the real-time system.

 

There are also uses of SIRI for server-to-server connections between Real time systems - but these are arranged on a  peer-to-peer basis to meet whatever is need to meet local requirements.

 

I hope this is helpful information - maybe others in the UK will be able to add more details of how SIRI is used in different contexts.

 

Roger Slevin

[Ofer Porat]

Thanks for the very useful info.

[LELLOUCHE David]

hi winfried, roger, ofer and all,

very interesting informations about SIRI standard dissemination.

it remenbered me ,a feed status by traveline region, where all the standards, journey web, RTIG and SIRI where mentioned.

But not so precisely with the service inside.

 

Then, it's  for us an excellent window time to discuss about the effectiveness of each service. We are now discussing about

the best use between SM and ET to adresse some uses cases.

Sharing display between operator, give information about next stop to a central real time database, disruption, information about connexion but not guaranted, on site and on board.

 

is there a studie which evaluate each service to aimed each use case in relation with the size of the network and the multimodal heterogeneity.

is there some document who evaluate the data flow for each service but also

the promise given by each service and the capacity to realize it.

i have in mind that, if we communicate about exact estimated times on board to adress connexion for very far stop point on the travel. We could use not only

real time but scheduled data. The question is how to adapt the level of promise taking into account the regularity, the maneuver and the frequent disruptions.

maybe a scale with an increase level of promise could be:

1- connexion without time. Only topological possibility

2-connexion with binary possibility without time (a vehicle is always running to reach the bus stop).

3-a time duration for each next vehicle comming to the next point in connexion for each line passing throught.

4- the same with taking into account the transfert duration

5- estimated time

 

I see in the wilfried references that some are using predictive informations about disruption or density traffic.

but as i recently see in an other domain, the 3D representation, the customer or passenger consider as the true this representation.

Maybe for an information given on board or on display, it is the same.

So if your information is to predictive and uncertainty, you are always modifying the promise.

 

How do you deal with this. Is there a document to highlight the debate.

 

best regards

david

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lellouche david
RATP ING/SVM/IVT
LAC VA20
40 bis rue Roger Salengro
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[Ofer Porat]

Does any of the projects uses Publish/Subscribe or all implement Request/Response ?

 

Ofer

 

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[Christophe Duquesne]

Hi Ofer

We are on our way to use Publish/Subscribe Ile de France (and SIRI 2).

I also know that subscription is quite widely used in Sweeden.

Regards

2013/4/15 Ofer Porat <oferp...@gmail.com>

[Ofer Porat]

Hi

 

Can you tell why ? What was wrong with Request/Response in your implementations ?

 

Ofer

 

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Hi Ofer

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[Christophe Duquesne]

Hi

Nothing was wrong, but if you need to get all the realtime information for an entire network, polling with Request/Response is not very efficient (bad response time, heavy load). And in some situation we need to get all the information from about 70 providers.... So in such situation, Publish/Subscribe is much more effective.

But for information on a limited number od stops, Request/Response is Ok.

Christophe

2013/4/15 Ofer Porat <oferp...@gmail.com>

[Ofer Porat]

Thanks,

 

What kind of middleware are you using for the Pub/Sub broker ?

 

A product or self develop ?