Re: Here in Southern California

[Jeff Roehl]

Hey Oliver Keys from Wikipedia.org.

I am glad you are interested in the wikitimeline.net concept and I look forward to engaging the Wikipedia community in a discussion about its potential. We developed Wikitimelins.net strictly for resume enhancement purposes. :)

You asked/said:

>> I think it would be pretty awesome, yep :). 

>> How exactly would it work; we'd link through to your setup? 

>> Your software would be hosted here? 

>> How it's formatted will alter who needs to approve what (if it's not something that involves developer work or approval, for example, it's a community matter), 

>> but however we do it I would be very interested to see more feedback and reactions from the community: we try to include them in any technical changes. 

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First off, how did you get a job at Wikipedia? Do you have to know somebody? Does bribery work? <snicker, just kidding>

How many servers does Wikipedia have now? Are you in the Fort Lauderdale, Florida Wikipedia server center?

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I believe a timeline of a Wikipedia article could be placed in a Wikipedia article using the following notation:

<script src="http://wikitimelines.net/H/P/HP40C1A2X.js" type="text/javascript"></script>

<div id="HP40C1A2X"></div>

Of course the magic part is not quite that easy, read on.

I think you/me would only need 1 fast server for this ($300 a month, Shawn?). Just give it a quad processor, 16 gigs of memory and a big pipe. I could probably serve up a million timelines a day off a server like that, with about 30 instances of my database running concurrently. It would be a very busy server (so we would probably have to pack it in ice <ha ha>). You could use Carbonite to back it up, because in the end, the timelines back-end would consist of millions of little databases. Where the server is physically located and who actually owns/maintains it makes no difference to us, as long as we/I have access to it.

The back-end for timelines was designed for:

1) Portability

2) Storage optimization (no indexes needed, almost)

3) Ease of replication and backup

4) Ease of multi-user usage (no large databases or records to lock)

5) Heavy demand

6) Speed, speed and speed (I have it on a cheap, slow server, that is why it appears a bit slow right now)

The heart of the timelines is a rather complex date parsing system and a presentation layer (10,000 lines of code, 3000+ man hours of work).

Here is a step by step listing of its (back-end) algorithm traversing its task of greatest friction. :)

(In these steps I use the word "I" instead of "we" for clarity. I have 2 to 3 people working on this project, at any one time, so using "we" would be more accurate.)

1) A timeline is requested.

2) I check if the timelines directory exists (I have all the 7 million Wikipedia titles and have assigned them all unique ID's).

3) If the directory dose exist (and therefore the timeline has already gone through initial processing), I send the timeline JavaScript via AJAX, then I send the timeline data as XML or JSON.

4) If the timeline doesn't exist, I create a directory for it.

5) In this directory I create the following tables:

Create Table epochs    (Id c(9), Selected l)

Create Table pics      (Id c(9), Caption m, bigpic m, startdate T, Date T, Current c(1), modified T, added T, Height N(4,0), Width N(4,0), Link m)

Create Table mess      (Id c(9), Name c(35), email c(35), website c(35), Date T, Active c(1), Mess m)

Create Table sen       (sen c(9), numdates N(2), Para c(9), Start N(5), End N(5),  startd T, Endd T, First c(1), Current c(1), Deleted T, added T, Color c(6), tsen N(4))

Create Table para      (Id c(9), Fixed m, dates m, marked m,  Current c(1), added T, First c(1), Deleted T)

Create Table decorator (Id c(9), startdate T, enddate T, Color c(6), opacity N(3), startlabel m, Current c(1), Type c(1), Deleted T, modified T ,added T)

Create Table allmags   (Id c(9), Start T, End T, unit c(1), mag N(4), Current c(1), Order N(4,0), band N(3), Deleted T, modified T ,added T)

Create Table tljsdb    (Id c(9), band N(2), Prop c(1), Value m, Current c(1), Deleted T, modified T ,added T)

Create Table global    (Date d, Height N(10), Width N(10), tlheight N(10), Current c(1), gotpics l, modified T ,added T, picsavail l, rtotal N(10), rcount N(10), lasttime T)

6) Then I pull the Wikipedia article from your (en.Wikipedia.org) website servers.

7) I then pull out and cleanup each individual paragraph from the article and stick each one into a database.

8) I then mark all of the (suspected) dates in the paragraph and save that into another field in the database (very complicated).

9) I then do sentence disambiguation, which is a lot more complex than we had originally thought it would be, mine is nearly 100% accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_boundary_disambiguation

10) I then send that into a comprehensive date disambiguation algorithm to see if the (suspected) dates are really dates.

11) If they are, I first detect "continuous dates". Dates that denote a continuum. Example - "He was prime minister from January 20, 1874 to August 2, 1880".

12) I then grab single dates. Example "He became prime minister on January 20, 1874."

13) I then grab "widow dates" like "He became prime minister in January of that year." because in order for this to make any sense (in natural language) a year is almost always in the previous sentence or paragraph.

14) I then parse out all pictures, from the article, and disambiguate all of the potential dates, from the pictures caption, using the same algorithm I used on the paragraphs. These dates are used for picture placement on the timeline. Users can turn pictures on or off and can change the dates on the pictures, to adjust where they are placed on the timeline.

15) I then construct the JavaScript for the new timeline.

16) I send the timelines JavaScript to the client browser.

17) I then construct the XML data for the timeline.

18) I then send the XML to the browser (actually the timelines JavaScript requests the XML as it executes).

Of course, this whole thing is much more involved than this. I just wanted to give you an overview.

If the timeline already exists (in my databases), it only takes seconds to construct and display it.

If the timeline dose not exist, it can take up to 60 seconds to traverse steps 1 to 18 above (depending on the size of the article). Luckily this is a one shot deal, as it only happens once for each Wikipedia article. Each timeline is only "born" once.

I hope this helps!

We have a rather long list of improvements for the website and the back-end. We just put the website up as a beta to get as much feedback as quickly as possible.

So it is BACK TO WORK! lol

 

Thanks
Jeff Roehl
jro...@yahoo.com
(818) 912-7530

[Jeff Roehl]

>> Terry, Jeff is the builder of http://www.chaosreligion.com/wiki/WikiTimeLine,

Hey this is Jeff Roehl.

There is been a bit of misdirection here.

Oliver Keyes, a noble member of the Wikipedia staff has provided all of us with the incorrect link.

Our website is NOT http://www.chaosreligion.com/wiki/WikiTimeLine (a previous stab at timelineing Wikipedia articles)

It is the new:

http://wikitimelines.net/ 

Which makes all the difference in the world. 

Not that we don't appreciate past attempts to make Wikipedia a better website. Any attempt to make Wikipedia.org a better website is inspirational. :)

 

Thanks
Jeff Roehl
jro...@yahoo.com
(818) 912-7530

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From: Oliver Keyes <oke...@wikimedia.org>
To: Jeff Roehl <jro...@yahoo.com>
Cc: faty <fatysh...@yahoo.com>; Oliver Roehl <otw...@hotmail.com>; "dash...@gmail.com" <dash...@gmail.com>; "ryan...@gmail.com" <ryan...@gmail.com>; "simile-...@googlegroups.com" <simile-...@googlegroups.com>; David Karger <kar...@mit.edu>; "hughdw...@yahoo.com" <hughdw...@yahoo.com>; "seward...@rocketmail.com" <seward...@rocketmail.com>; "sh...@shawnfoley.net" <sh...@shawnfoley.net>; Terry Chay <tc...@wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: Here in Southern California

Thanks for this feedback :). So, this sounds like the sort of thing that should be run by Terry Chay, our head of Features; I'm CCing him into the conversation now :).

Terry, Jeff is the builder of http://www.chaosreligion.com/wiki/WikiTimeLine, an extension that allows for gorgeous timelines to be embedded within Wikipedia articles. He's interested in (first-off) feedback, and second in thinking about ways we could use his software. I would imagine this would require approval from you guys, as well as ops and presumably community buyin, but I'll start with you because you're the most qualified person to speak on the technical merits or issues. I'm going to gracefully step aside and let you handle this - let me know if/when it's possible to reach the "community" stage and see if people are interested in it.

--
Oliver Keyes
Community Liaison, Product Development
Wikimedia Foundation

[Jeff Roehl]

(An update about Teresa is below the technical stuff in this email)

So today I figured out and got to run javascript that has the timeline data in the javascript code itself.

This solves 3 problems:

1) I dont have to cut a separate data (.XML) file on the server that the javascript has to refer to in a second run at the server for every timeline.

2) I dont have to hit the server 2 times per timeline if I am getting the data via "lazy load", which is retrieving data via a process that returns a result while the timeline loads.

3) It makes it much easier to implement into Wikipedia, which is a very big deal.

So it is all "one stop shopping" if the data AND the logic is all in one file inserted into the clients (users) browser via jQuery.

This is a big win for our team, scroll down to take a look at what this looks like in javascript (can you see where the timeline data starts and ends?).

********************* Teresa update *******************************

Ok, I must admit I had a blast today. When I used to live in Vegas I would take Teresa and the her gypsy gang to the beauty parlor every Saturday morning to have their hair and nails done. It was always a interesting experience and I have very fond memories of this. Hanging out with a group of 20 something girls at a beauty parlor is about as cool as it gets. Well today I took Teresa, Esmeralda, Aishe and Sabrina to the local "hair and nail" place. And boy did we have fun. It is like these girls are family to me. Teresa paid for the whole thing, $150, so we are absolutely making progress here. And they all look fantastic all cleaned up like that.

Teresa did a cockney accent all day, with "I got a hole in ME pocket" and "good morning governor" being her more memorable utterances. Sabrina was doing a southern accent, today, populated by references to "sweet potato pie" as she pretends that "everybody lives in trailer parks & sleeps with everyone". This is all very funny, as Teresa and Sabrina interact with each other (Teresa, in cockney, questioning Sabrina's "chastity and dignity" is priceless) using their various accents/identities. They are all fantastic linguistic chameleons and they should have their own radio/TV show.

I feel complete when Teresa is around. She makes me want to be a better man.

Tonight it will be karaoke (Teresa sings Adele like you would not believe), pizza and an all-night game of monopoly (I almost always win).

Tomorrow is church, as the girls all go to mass. They are all devote Christians.

It is so nice to have Teresa back from Greece, regardless of all of the challenges she presents. It is nice when she is here and it is also nice when she finally leaves (she always comes back). It is a nice balance over the last 5 years.

{song quote}

Mama told me there'd be days like this
But I ain't never ever think there'd be a day like this
Not now not ever, and now until forever you will never need another

{end song quote}

Here is the code:

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[Jeff Roehl]

I didn't mean to send this last email to everybody on the Simile list.

I apologies.