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I haven’t seen anything from anyone posting about talent who actually gets the challenges faced by them. Us.Maybe one day the ecosystem will care enough and actually dig into what startup talent goes through in Australia. Run a nationwide startup talent survey *GASP*10 years into this forum and all I see is generalisations and assumptions. All the while having to put up with the never-ending lament that there isn’t talent in Aust, or all we want is cushy corp jobs.Wanna resurrect the forum? Start with the language and practice of inclusion. The lack of which turned a majority of previously active people off.Rai
On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 2:15 pm, Geoff Langdale <geoff....@gmail.com> wrote:
--I think you're right about the industry career path stuff. The biggest things that pull tech talent away from Australian startups (I confess my view is a bit Sydney-centric):1) Some disproportionately big and compelling potential employers who continue to hoover up a lot of the talent (Google Sydney, AWS, Atlassian spring to mind)2) Outsized potential compensation from the financial sector3) The prospect of jumping on a plane and doing a startup in SF or the valley insteadMy 2 cents is that the tech talent is here but it's not very interested (collectively) in working on startups. Abysmal cost of living in Sydney isn't helping...You'll have to unpack your points a bit more - what do you meant about "overly concentrated on Y-combo style accelerators which are incredibly raw in terms of intake"?I think comparing with China is unhelpful. They have an enormous domestic market, low labour costs and a great deal of protection/governmental interference with foreign competitors. The SV scene is a bad enough comparator for Australia, but China is even less appropriate. I think we would be best served by looking at small-to-midscale countries/regions that have done well in niches and have similar economic development (Israel, "Silicon Fen" around Cambridge, etc). Even then it might be better to not immediately slide off into pontificating about other countries full stop. To quote President Johnson, "Making a speech on economics is a lot like pissing down your leg. It seems hot to you, but it never does to anyone else."Geoff.
On Wednesday, 24 July 2019 09:37:09 UTC+10, drllau wrote:>But maybe more usefully, here is a question we really should be asking, and which this forum used to answer. What’s lacking in the Australian tech industry these days?Apart from all the standard whinges about clueless moneymen and myoptic gov, I'd say that too many capable people are working in industry (stable career path) so have no time to do interesting side projects which could morph into new businesses. Given current tax policies and exit outcomes, they'd rather stay in their nice comfy day job than take the plunge. I refer to San Diego whose defense sector got downsided after the US won Cold War and then pivoted to biotech.whilst at other end, the capacity (spare time, energy, etc) has been overly concentrated on Y-combo style accelerators which are incredibly raw in terms of intake ... ignorance can be fixed but stupidity is forever in asking Australians to follow a US model without a) appropriate capital formation b) shortage of high quality mentors and c) more tech follower adoption/adaption rather than originating/disruptive leader (in terms of technical risk .... asking for prototypes and traction before looksee).Let's compare with China, JackMa & AliBaba started off in a few apartments in Hangzhou, DJE was a kid (relatively speaking) that took the plunge to visit Shenzhen, Xiaomei started off doing shanzai manufacturing of short-run phones. They played to their strengths whereas IMHO australia emerging tech is not. The very fact of relative lack of capital means that they are customer & cashflow focused and due to cost structure wins the marathon race acquiring western tech along the way.
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I haven’t seen anything from anyone posting about talent who actually gets the challenges faced by them. Us.Maybe one day the ecosystem will care enough and actually dig into what startup talent goes through in Australia. Run a nationwide startup talent survey *GASP*10 years into this forum and all I see is generalisations and assumptions. All the while having to put up with the never-ending lament that there isn’t talent in Aust, or all we want is cushy corp jobs.Wanna resurrect the forum? Start with the language and practice of inclusion. The lack of which turned a majority of previously active people off.Rai
On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 2:15 pm, Geoff Langdale <geoff....@gmail.com> wrote:
--I think you're right about the industry career path stuff. The biggest things that pull tech talent away from Australian startups (I confess my view is a bit Sydney-centric):1) Some disproportionately big and compelling potential employers who continue to hoover up a lot of the talent (Google Sydney, AWS, Atlassian spring to mind)2) Outsized potential compensation from the financial sector3) The prospect of jumping on a plane and doing a startup in SF or the valley insteadMy 2 cents is that the tech talent is here but it's not very interested (collectively) in working on startups. Abysmal cost of living in Sydney isn't helping...You'll have to unpack your points a bit more - what do you meant about "overly concentrated on Y-combo style accelerators which are incredibly raw in terms of intake"?I think comparing with China is unhelpful. They have an enormous domestic market, low labour costs and a great deal of protection/governmental interference with foreign competitors. The SV scene is a bad enough comparator for Australia, but China is even less appropriate. I think we would be best served by looking at small-to-midscale countries/regions that have done well in niches and have similar economic development (Israel, "Silicon Fen" around Cambridge, etc). Even then it might be better to not immediately slide off into pontificating about other countries full stop. To quote President Johnson, "Making a speech on economics is a lot like pissing down your leg. It seems hot to you, but it never does to anyone else."Geoff.
On Wednesday, 24 July 2019 09:37:09 UTC+10, drllau wrote:>But maybe more usefully, here is a question we really should be asking, and which this forum used to answer. What’s lacking in the Australian tech industry these days?Apart from all the standard whinges about clueless moneymen and myoptic gov, I'd say that too many capable people are working in industry (stable career path) so have no time to do interesting side projects which could morph into new businesses. Given current tax policies and exit outcomes, they'd rather stay in their nice comfy day job than take the plunge. I refer to San Diego whose defense sector got downsided after the US won Cold War and then pivoted to biotech.whilst at other end, the capacity (spare time, energy, etc) has been overly concentrated on Y-combo style accelerators which are incredibly raw in terms of intake ... ignorance can be fixed but stupidity is forever in asking Australians to follow a US model without a) appropriate capital formation b) shortage of high quality mentors and c) more tech follower adoption/adaption rather than originating/disruptive leader (in terms of technical risk .... asking for prototypes and traction before looksee).Let's compare with China, JackMa & AliBaba started off in a few apartments in Hangzhou, DJE was a kid (relatively speaking) that took the plunge to visit Shenzhen, Xiaomei started off doing shanzai manufacturing of short-run phones. They played to their strengths whereas IMHO australia emerging tech is not. The very fact of relative lack of capital means that they are customer & cashflow focused and due to cost structure wins the marathon race acquiring western tech along the way.
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