Re: To Underline Or Not To Underline
Ashlie Hagenson
I really like the software, the Publisher really has the opportunity to replace the Adobe package in typesetting and graphic design. I've already started making youtube tutorials for friends in Slovakia to make their transition to AP as easy as possible. On the other hand, I would like to ask about the availability of some features (or if you plan to add them in the near future).
The text underlining is currently limited to functionality that is not absolutely usable for typesetting (crossing out decenders/loops, different line width comparing to stroke etc.). Adjustment of the offset and line thickness are missing. Typically, the typographer will simply set them up to avoid these visual problems. Since these are essential requirements for using this tool, do you plan adding them?
That was very early in the public beta phase. Also, although we were confused by the statement that "there is no way to override them," since both InDesign and Quark are able to do that, I now assume the meaning was that there was then no way to override these attributes in Publisher as it currently existed.
In InDesign, in the Paragraph panel, you can add a rule above or below the text and offset it. Using this attribute, it is possible to put a bar of color behind white text. I have uploaded a PDF showing both effects. This is a separate attribute from the underline feature that comes with a font. I am attempting to recreate an InDesign document in Publisher, and came up with a workaround, but it is very kludgy.
@LRStrand That strikes me as a perfect example of when to use paragraph decorations (ie. borders and fills of paragraphs). Attached is a quick example. I have made the paragraph styles Heading 1 and Heading 2 to partially mimic what I see in your PDF.
Yeah, that is a great example of how it should work, thanks for that. Anyway, it would be great to have an similar option on a word selection level. Since this is in a paragraph styling option, I can't select only one word in a paragraph and use this kind of an underline. Still, I don't understand, why it is possible in the paragraph styling, yet not possible to do in the character styling options.
Yes, I am aware of that, but that is also not the topic of this thread. Or maybe I did not understand you well.
What I am talking about is the underline option of the word / selection and the possibility of tweaking its parameters (stroke, offset etc.).
That would be exactly what I would like to be addressed by Serif as soon as possible! It looks like that it has been confused by others here in this discussion with "decorations" on the paragraph level, which are significantly more advanced in the Affinity apps as of now (v1.9).
On the character level, however, where "Underline", "Strikethrough" etc. live, there's still almost no way to customize any of those lines. More often than not the default provided by the program looks quite awkward in connection with the actual font in use.
+1. Came across this today. This is a basic typography feature, not something worth some kind of workaround. Looks like the more I use Publisher, the more I ran into those "missing basic typography features".
Yep, same here. My breaking point was discovery of missing multiline composing of paragraphs. Ragged lines at the end of the paragraph looks horrible. Do not get me wrong, I love the concept of Affinity products and I consider myself as fan, but Publisher is so not ready for the professional typesetting.
In other words:
While APu lacks some of the automatic tools we've been used to from InDesign, and which I, for one, am missing as well, it's got a plenty of manual tools to fix the most of any typographic issues if needed. All it requires is the eye of a professional designer to recognize those issues in the first place.
When i convert a document from Word 2010 to PDF by printing to the PDF Maker or by using the built-in "Convert to PDF" option, my underlines appear different thicknesses than when i made them in word.
Foxit shows it correctly, so i am lead to assume that the conversion is working correctly, but when viewed in Adobe Reader it is showing wrong. However, i want this PDF to be viewed by many people, most of whom will not be using Foxit reader or any other PDF viewer than Reader, and thus my problem stands.
Hey everyone, i think i figured it out. I read this thread: =inbox where Peter suggested turning off "Enhance thin lines" in the Page Display options, which seems to have resolved the issue. Like i said, the conversion seems to have worked, but Adobe was displaying it wrong, probably trying to increase the thickness of thin lines for some reason.
Just to clarify, there are 3 methods of creating a PDF in WORD 2010. You can use the Save As PDF or XPS (this is the MS built-in converter), Save As Adobe PDF (equivalent to the Acrobat menu of create PDF that is the PDF Maker application), and print to the Adobe PDF printer (different from PDF Maker). I assume you are using AA XI. I just did a test on WORD 2007 and AA 8 (what I have on this machine - might try other combinations later) and did not see a difference. There may indeed be a difference between 8 and XI (or DC), but I will have to check that a bit later.
If you are trying to recreate the issue, I have a series paragraphs starting with larger text with an underline of 1 1/2 point, followed by smaller text with no other formatting. Then the next paragraph starts with larger text and underline again. The underlines from one to paragraph to another are different.
Interesting. It was not an option in AA8, but it is there in AA DC. One of those little features I did not pursue. Thanks for the info. When you find solutions, letting us know so we might pass it on is useful. Thanks.
From the English alphabet, hmnuwx are all the lowercase letters that fail to underline, and I is the only uppercase letter that can successfully be underlined. Some symbols that fail to underline are @-+= and three that require escaping \#\%\&. All numeric digits seem to underline correctly, but again, only when it is a single digit.
It might be related to the font rendering somehow? But I do not know which fonts are used for LaTeX rendering in Obsidian, and it naturally does not seem affected by the Text font setting in Appearance settings. I am on Windows; maybe other systems will use a slightly different font file or font rendering?
So the question then becomes, what do you two guys have in common which makes this break? And could either of you produce a similar screenshot with source on left, and reading view on right, to display what you see?
Which version of MDK did you install? Check out the MDK release notes for 5.25 (here) -- the grey underline means you can get help on the symbol (function, identifier, etc.) by pressing the F1 function key.
I am trying to underline a particular word onthenotes in my model.See attached:underline FILLER.Apparently,notepad doesnt support underline.. I dont want to split my notes andcreate the separate underlined wordin the drawing or for that matter create a separate note on the model. I like to keep it as is
Now, ok so you're not in the note interface. Single click the note then mouse-over the line that contains the word FILLER. You should see that single word highlight. Single click on that, right mouse button, text style. Now you'll see an interface that allows you to check the Underline box and it will only apply to that single word. Check the box and OK the interface to see FILLER underlined.
Now clear your selection (or Window > Activate) and double click the note. You'll see brackets around FILLER like so 1:FILLER. Back the rest of the line... the " - 9258026-1 etc." so it's on the same line as FILLER.
Lato v2.015 has both sinf and subs although it does use the same replacements for both.
Applying sinf and then underline results in the last example above (labeled OpenType).
The character border example above could easily be done with a character style.
Assign that character style to Control+0 for example and it would be very quick and easy to apply.
Add the ability to completely turn off ai, including the red underline, as I prefer to write code by myself without ai, and teachers have complained about the red underline helping students in a way that they do not allow.
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