Is anyone using Gnash to play ShowMeDo videos?

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Ian Ozsvald

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Apr 2, 2008, 9:50:54 AM4/2/08
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I'm curious to know - is anyone running Gnash on Linux to play ShowMeDo videos? I'd like to include a note in the upcoming FAQ entry stating whether we support (or not!) Gnash but since I use Adobe9 on Ubuntu I don't know if it works.

Is anyone running it? Our videos are Flash 7 which Gnash should support so I'd always assumed it would work...

Cheers,
Ian.

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Alan Pope

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Apr 2, 2008, 10:50:31 AM4/2/08
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On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 02:50:54PM +0100, Ian Ozsvald wrote:
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> I'm curious to know - is anyone running Gnash on Linux to play ShowMeDo videos? I'd like to include a note in the upcoming FAQ entry stating whether we support (or not!) Gnash but since I use Adobe9 on Ubuntu I don't know if it works.
>
> Is anyone running it? Our videos are Flash 7 which Gnash should support so I'd always assumed it would work...
>

I just purged adobe flash from my system to test, and unfortunately it
doesn't play with the gnash that you get in the current stable version of
Ubuntu.

In the current development version of Ubuntu (Hardy / 8.04) gnash also can't
play it but gets a little further by loading the jw flash video player
plugin.

Interestingly in Hardy gnash there is a "properites" option which claims the
format is "SWF8".

Cheers,
Al.

Lucas Holland

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Apr 2, 2008, 11:00:20 AM4/2/08
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It's a shame that gnash users can't use ShowMeDo but at the moment I
wouldn't worry about it too much. Most Linux users use Adobe's
flashplayer (even the ones who are freedom fanatics). I'd *LOVE* to
see Gnash really take off (hey free software beats proprietary
software!!!) but seeing as that's simply not realistic right now, I
use Adobe's flash player (and I know a lot of people who do too).

In the long run, making the site gnash compatible or gnash ShowMeDo
compatible is a good thing to do because it supports the idea of free
software and free content but for now I think you're doing just fine.

Lucas

Ian Ozsvald

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Apr 2, 2008, 12:57:12 PM4/2/08
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Alan - thanks for the confirmation, it is a shame it is negative. Darn.

I guess this is an issue with the jw player - we specifically state Flash 7 in the calling html and we encode using the Flash 7 format (so I don't know why it thinks it is SWF8). The old Adobe Linux player was only for Flash 7 and that worked just fine.

I'm contemplating buying a new, more powerful machine. With that I can run virtual instances of os' and I could expand my testing scenarios to include gnash. That'll have to wait for a while though.

I'm much obliged to you for taking the time to check! We can correctly state this in the FAQ now.

Ian.

Alan Pope

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Apr 3, 2008, 9:16:36 AM4/3/08
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On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 08:00 -0700, Lucas Holland wrote:
> It's a shame that gnash users can't use ShowMeDo but at the moment I
> wouldn't worry about it too much. Most Linux users use Adobe's
> flashplayer (even the ones who are freedom fanatics). I'd *LOVE* to
> see Gnash really take off (hey free software beats proprietary
> software!!!) but seeing as that's simply not realistic right now, I
> use Adobe's flash player (and I know a lot of people who do too).
>

It's not just the freedom fanatics. Flash isn't available on all
platforms, such as 64-bit Linux. I appreciate with some frigging you can
get flash working in a 32-bit browser under a 64-bit OS, but that's a
bit nasty.

> In the long run, making the site gnash compatible or gnash ShowMeDo
> compatible is a good thing to do because it supports the idea of free
> software and free content but for now I think you're doing just fine.

Plus you could also write in the FAQ that it's possible to download
the .flv files and play them using mplayer locally. Also not optimal,
but it is a solution.

Cheers,
Al.

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Alan Pope

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Apr 3, 2008, 9:49:25 AM4/3/08
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On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 17:57 +0100, Ian Ozsvald wrote:
> Alan - thanks for the confirmation, it is a shame it is negative. Darn.
>

No worries. I spoke to the lead developer for gnash about 6 months ago
at the last Ubuntu Developer Summit, and will probably see him again at
the next one in Prague next month. He said he does get a fair number of
requests to support the jw player because it's really heavily used on
lots of "coke and mentos" movie sites, and of course more reputable
sites such as showmedo ;)

> I'm contemplating buying a new, more powerful machine. With that I can run virtual instances of os' and I could expand my testing scenarios to include gnash. That'll have to wait for a while though.
>

In the mean time feel free to ping me with any tests you want done. I
run various versions of Ubuntu on numerous machines and many VMs, so can
probably test stuff in various environments.

Also worth noting that browsershots lets you take screengrabs of sites
in loads of different browsers with and without flash.

http://browsershots.org/

There is sometimes a queue as there can be times when lots of people
request screenshots and the "factories" are busy working through them.
If you subscribe and pay you can jump the queue.

Note: I run a bunch of factories so I get a slice of revenue if you
pay :) I get nowt if you don't :(

> I'm much obliged to you for taking the time to check! We can correctly state this in the FAQ now.
>

No probs, anytime.

Cheers,
Al.

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Ian Ozsvald

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Apr 3, 2008, 2:25:42 PM4/3/08
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Cool, I didn't realise you were involved with BrowserShots :-) I've used them in the past - we try to keep a set of active test instances (IE6 on Ubuntu, FF2 on Ubuntu + Windows, IE7 on Windows, Safari on Windows, Opera on Win+Ubuntu) but as time progresses we might need to expand that.

Between kyran's powerhouse (4 darn cores he's got compared to my poor little older box!) and my soon-to-buy bigger box we should be able to run all the configs we need. Of course, it'd be nicer if html 'just worked', but then life might be too easy.

Re. gnash - it would be nice to properly support it but if it is definitely a gnash problem then fair enough, we'll just have to wait for them to catch up. I don't think forfeiting a good player just to support gnash makes any kind of sense. The new FAQ (to go up in a few days) will address this.

Much obliged,
Ian.

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dai

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Apr 4, 2008, 3:49:45 PM4/4/08
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I don't care what it is solong as it works with my blog.
still having trouble with flash player new version not playing movies
in my blog.

just installed mint and pclos-gnome in the vm both play the movies in
my blog using
flashplyer 9.0.21.78 and 9.0.48.0.2
if i update these it will screw up like all the rest of the distros in
th evm and host ubuntu
anyone got any ideas

Jaqui

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Apr 5, 2008, 10:57:40 AM4/5/08
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Well, I don't use gnash, or flash.
My system by default is pure 64 so they are a bother to get installed.
the video player the I have found that works on all operating systems,
and handles EVERY video format easily is Miro.
http://www.getmiro.com/
[ and, it is open source as well as free ]
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