New book published in English, available on Amazon:Japanese Chess or Shogi Book of Board Game Strategy
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With all due respect, who is this book for? Just a cursory look at this book makes it apparent that you are either ignorant of or simply ignoring the work that shogi promoters before you have done.
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I unhesitatingly agree with every point made by Mr. De Las Casas, particularly those dealing with:- work done by previous Shogi promoters (eg: the late George Hodges)
- the introduction of yet another westernized piece set
- the notation system
- the need to re-learn the game when moving from a westernised version to real Shogi
This is yet another misguided attempt to force Shogi to look as much as possible like International Chess,with no regard or consideration for the fact that Shogi is essentially a Japanese game which comes with allthe cultural associations to be expected (and appreciated!) with such a distinctive game. These culturalassociations are part of the 'fun' of learning to play Shogi.
On first inspection, this is a very poor book. Unfortunately, it is not the only very poor book which has beenpublished in English in the recent past.
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Introduction to the Shogi Opening Game………………………………………………. 2
Common First Moves of the Shogi Opening Game……….…………………….. 4
The Yagura Opening……………………………………...........................………….… 6
White Static Rook (Ibisha) Opening and a Bear-in-the-Hole (Anaguma)
Castle vs. Black Ranging Rook (Furibisha) Opening and a Mino Castle... 13
Ai-Yokofudori or Double Side Pawn Picker Opening Game……............... 18
Ai-Yokofudori Opening Game Pitfall for Black…………...............…............ 20
Ai-Yokofudori Opening Game Trap And Zap No.2………………………….…. 23
Kakugawari or Bishop Exchange Opening Game…………………….…………… 29
Kakugawari Opening Game Trap And Zap No.1…………………………………. 31
Kakugawari Opening Game Trap And Zap No.2……………………..……….... 32
Kakugawari Opening Game Trap And Zap No.3…………….………………….. 33
Aigakari Double Wing Attack Opening Game……………………………………. 34
Primitive Climbing Silver (Bogin) Opening, Leading from a Double
Wing Attack (Aigakari) Opening……………………………………………………….. 35
Basic Defense Against Primitive Climbing Silver Opening Game………..... 41
Primitive Climbing Silver Opening Variation…………………………………....... 43
Mukaibisha or Opposing Rook or Second File Rook Opening Game…... 49
Mukaibisha Opening Game Pitfall: Pinned Rook Blunder…………....…..… 51
Mukaibisha Opening Game Pitfall: Rook Discovery Threat Blunder….... 54
Two
Ranging Rook (Ai-Furibisha) Opening Games Consisting of Two
Sangenbisha
(Third File Ranging Rook) Openings with Black Gold
Excelsior or Twin Gold Castle versus White Mino Castle…………….……..... 55
Quick Ishida Attack (Haya Ishida) Third File Rook (Sangenbisha)
Opening Game……………………………………………………………………………….… 59
Quick Ishida Opening King-Rook Fork Pitfall………………………………….... 60
Quick Ishida Opening Rook-Silver Fork Pitfall………………………..………… 61
Quick Ishida Opening Double Lance Fork Pitfall……...……………..……..... 66
Black
Ibisha (Static Rook) Opening with Elmo Castle versus White
Shikenbisha
(Fourth File Ranging Rook) Opening with Mino Castle
(Mino Gakoi)…………………………………………………………………………….……. 68
Black Shikenbisha (Fourth File Rook) Opening with High Mino Castle
versus White Ibisha (Static Rook) Opening with Millennium Castle….… 72
Fuji System: Black Shikenbisha (Fourth File Ranging Rook) Opening
Game versus White Ibisha (Static Rook) Opening Game: Black Prevents
White from Forming Anaguma Castle…………………………..……….………….. 78
Black
Cheerful Central Rook Opening (Gokigen Nakabisha) versus
White Ibisha (Static Rook) Opening with Boat Castle (Funa Gakoi)….... 85
Shogi Opening Game Blunders and Pitfalls…………………….….………….…… 89
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So... you wrote a book with the idea to teach the game and you stuck all the stuff about learning the game in the back of the book...? Seems counterproductive to me.
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I feel more annoyed by one sentence you used, maybe somehow touched
emotionally by so many reactions :
"People are acting like this Hodges guy was some kind of intellectual god"
Maybe it's a misunderstanding due to my poor level of English but I get
the feeling by reading this sentence that you don't express so much
respect for Mr Georges Hodges. "This Hodges guy" sounds actually even
quite irrespectful based on my french understanding of English language.
I think most of the people within this list would have never been aware
of shogi, or would have been made aware of shogi much more later in
their life, if Georges Hodges had not been there and didn't make his
huge work regarding shogi promotion in western world.
So, unless I misunderstood the abovementioned sentence, I would kindly
ask you to keep for yourself your opinion about mister Hodges, who
indeed was not a god, but had such an effect on the spread of shogi
knowledge among western world that we indeed should express at least
respect for his contribution, which has been stronger than none of ours.
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I'm curious - do books written in Japanese about chess use shogi-style diagrams and notation systems?
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Easy enough: just start XBoard, and select a Chu-Shogi oriental piece theme. (See attachment.)
Question - how do you cope with the Pawn promotions (a Pawn can promote to either a Queen,Bishop, Knight or Rook). I'd check myself, but don't have XBoard installed.
I think I'll continue with my little project - I'm having fun doing it, and it's almost complete in anycase.RJH
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Like always: the Pawn becomes what the player selects, and the image would be the same as the image that
piece has in the initial setup.etc.
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Ah OK, I see. You are are making a real-life set....just use a one of the pieces that was captured
Of course, when you flip the piece to show promotion, FIDE rules would allow the opponent to say "j'adoube", and flip it back! :-)
Hello everybody,
I have been reading the thread about the use of kanji or westernised markings with interest, personally I prefer the Kanji as I think it’s beautiful to look at. However, the difficulty with learning the pieces and moves of Shogi has been a perennial problem and every few years a similar debate takes place.
Back in the 1970s, George Hodges (my late husband) developed a set of markings designed for a westernised audience to use. These markings indicate how the pieces should move and enable players of any age or ability to understand the game clearly.
Fortunately, I am able to supply standard Shogi sets in either westernised markings or the traditional kanji. Unfortunately for those fans of the variants such as Dai Shogi and Wa Shogi these are only available in the original kanji but come with detailed leaflet that shows the markings of every piece. If anyone would like more information on any of these or our other products, please send an email to George...@talk21.com
Thanks
Angela Hodges
Has anyone ever used the "westernised" pieces and gotten to be a shogi enthusiast? A decent amateur player?
Kanji have shapes. Chess pieces have shapes. You can recognize kanji without knowing what they mean, just as you can recognize chess pieces without understanding the medieval symbolism in the piece shapes.
I have more trouble recognizing makruk pieces (than shogi pieces), several of which are basically the same shape but differ in size and squatness.Take a look at the videos at youtube's Minsk Shogi channel. Lots of people of all ages (mostly young, though) playing shogi with traditional kanji pieces. Eastern European people, not East Asians who grew up with Chinese characters.On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 5:03:31 PM UTC-4 george...@talk21.com wrote:Hello everybody,
I have been reading the thread about the use of kanji or westernised markings with interest, personally I prefer the Kanji as I think it’s beautiful to look at. However, the difficulty with learning the pieces and moves of Shogi has been a perennial problem and every few years a similar debate takes place.
Back in the 1970s, George Hodges (my late husband) developed a set of markings designed for a westernised audience to use. These markings indicate how the pieces should move and enable players of any age or ability to understand the game clearly.
Fortunately, I am able to supply standard Shogi sets in either westernised markings or the traditional kanji. Unfortunately for those fans of the variants such as Dai Shogi and Wa Shogi these are only available in the original kanji but come with detailed leaflet that shows the markings of every piece. If anyone would like more information on any of these or our other products, please send an email to George...@talk21.com
Thanks
Angela Hodges
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So those who are put off by kanji (like 99.9% of the non-Asian world population?) will never become club players, no matter how talented they are.
On Monday, 22 March 2021 at 09:34:28 UTC H.G.Muller wrote:So those who are put off by kanji (like 99.9% of the non-Asian world population?) will never become club players, no matter how talented they are.Well now, I must say that I have never met anyone who was really put off by the Japanese pieces. Indeed, they regarded overcoming any slight difficultieswith learning the kanji as part of the fun of learning the game.
This is why I'm so strongly opposed to the use of 'westernised' pieces like the ones in the book which started this thread - I just don't think they'renecessary...Maybe I've been lucky, and only met folks in that tiny 0.1%?Ho hum - we're all different, I guess...
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" It is for instance not that hard to couple orientation of an object put on the board with perceived color."Color-blindness is not that rare. Please, no color-coding. Chess (or checkers or backgammon) is fine with one very dark color and one very light color. That works.
I recently read of a pro snooker player who fouled by shooting at the brown ball when a red ball was on. I understand, because I watch snooker on youtube and can't tell them apart - except by noticing when the brown ball is knocked off its spot and keeping track of it. Presumably that's what this snooker pro was doing but he lost track.On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 7:06:13 AM UTC-4 captbirdseye wrote:On Monday, 22 March 2021 at 09:34:28 UTC H.G.Muller wrote:So those who are put off by kanji (like 99.9% of the non-Asian world population?) will never become club players, no matter how talented they are.Well now, I must say that I have never met anyone who was really put off by the Japanese pieces. Indeed, they regarded overcoming any slight difficultieswith learning the kanji as part of the fun of learning the game.This is why I'm so strongly opposed to the use of 'westernised' pieces like the ones in the book which started this thread - I just don't think they'renecessary...Maybe I've been lucky, and only met folks in that tiny 0.1%?Ho hum - we're all different, I guess...
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This is what is known as 'selectional bias'. It is like going to a home for the retired, and asking whether any of them died as a child.
Maybe I've been lucky, and only met folks in that tiny 0.1%?
Non-Japanese players of Shogi face several obstacles to learning Shogi using Kanji characters. There is a psychological obstacle, in that they must learn a language character set that is totally different from typical european or english letters. A european/american must be exceptionally open-minded and creativity-liking to engage in such a relatively advanced intellectual activity. Such a person does not need the creativity level of a Da Vinci or a Durer, but probably needs creativity and "artsiness" that would be found in only the top 5% most creative segments of the european/american population.
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If I may add a few more building blocks to the paradigm structure of this discussion...
"What's up doc?" (Bugs Bunny - cartoon character, Warner Brothers, 1930s - present)Forgive my whimsy, but it seems somehow appropriate to open with a quote from one cartoon characterin a post dealing with the antics of another cartoon character...
On Tuesday, 23 March 2021 at 00:51:07 UTC johnnymam wrote:If I may add a few more building blocks to the paradigm structure of this discussion...It would be nice if you did - unfortunately you haven't.There are only 2 points of 'interest' in this lengthy farrago of nonsense:1) Your oft-repeated assumption that the majority of Westerners do not have the intellectual capabilityto learn Shogi - unless of course, they invest in a copy of your over-arching Shogi book.
As has already been stated, this assumption is arrogant, patronising and offensive! I suspect it's entirelyin-character!
2) I'm fascinated by the idea that having an IQ of (say) 120 somehow makes one more of a 'gentleman''than those of us who are unfortunate enough to have an IQ somewhere above 120. Is there some sort of'gentlemanliness quotient' which starts with a value of (say) 1.0, and decreases with increasing IQ untilit reaches a value of zero at an IQ of 160? How does it work? Is it a logarithmic law? A linear law? A powerlaw? Please explain - giving reputable peer-reviewed references and sources for this 'theory'.
The good doctor would also appear to be a male chauvinist. He only mentions the 'gentlemen'...
Mr. De Las Casas is quite correct. This guy Mamoun should not be allowed anywhere near shogi promotion.These blinkered 'westernising' zealots with a ruthless and cynical self-promotional agenda are a liability, notan asset as far as the promotion of Shogi is concerned.
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New book published in English, available on Amazon:Japanese Chess or Shogi Book of Board Game Strategy