Shogi Viewer

[Andrei Lysenka]

Hello shogi fans,

The Shogi Viewer games collection has been updated (added 192 games).
I have fixed some minor bugs as well. You can find it at
http://lysenka.net/?ShogiViewer.

Andrei

[Junji Yamashita]

Dear Andei
I saw your program , and I was surprised to find such a good
program and a game collection .
I have some volume of shogi game collections , most of those are
books written in Japanese and some are the computer program
need Japanese version of Windows(R) . I also have a way to collec
game records . How can I contribute your program and this
group ?

sincerly
yamajunn


My sites
http://yamajunnshoginews.blogspot.com/
http://yamajunn.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ ( this site will move in several
months )
http://shogi.wiki.fc2.com/

[Andrei Lysenka]

Dear Junji

Thank you for your kinds words. I think the best contribution is to
proceed with your excellent sites. I know many shogi fans read your
blogs regularly. For example, for belarusian amateurs' convenience, I
placed the "yamajunn's shogi news" feed at the start page of http://shogi.by/.

With kind regards
Andrei

On 17 авг, 18:19, Junji Yamashita <yamajun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear  Andei
> I  saw  your  program , and  I was  surprised  to find such a good
> program and  a game collection .
> I have  some volume of shogi game collections  , most  of  those are
> books  written  in  Japanese  and some  are the computer program
> need  Japanese version of  Windows(R) .  I also have  a way to collec
> game records  .  How  can  I  contribute  your program and  this
> group ?
>
> sincerly
> yamajunn
>

> My siteshttp://yamajunnshoginews.blogspot.com/http://yamajunn.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ ( this site will  move in several
> months )http://shogi.wiki.fc2.com/

[takodori]

Andrei,

This is an example of export of Kifu from Kifu for Windows with the
command operation of "Hensu"(Edit) > "Kifu no Copy"(Copy the Kifu) >
"Eigo Hyoki"(In English). If Shogi Viewer is able to read and display
the Kifu below, then Kifus in KIF format can be available to view in
Shogi Viewer through the operation above.

1.P-7f P-8d 2.P-5f P-5d 3.R-5h S-6b 4.P-5e
Px5e
5.Bx5e P-8e 6.Bx3c+ resigns

Takodori

On 8月19日, 午後9:46, Andrei Lysenka <and...@lysenka.net> wrote:
> Dear Junji
>
> Thank you for your kinds words. I think the best contribution is to
> proceed with your excellent sites. I know many shogi fans read your
> blogs regularly. For example, for belarusian amateurs' convenience, I

> placed the "yamajunn's shogi news" feed at the start page ofhttp://shogi.by/.

>
> With kind regards
> Andrei
>
> On 17 авг, 18:19, Junji Yamashita <yamajun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Andei
> > I saw your program , and I was surprised to find such a good
> > program and a game collection .
> > I have some volume of shogi game collections , most of those are
> > books written in Japanese and some are the computer program
> > need Japanese version of Windows(R) . I also have a way to collec
> > game records . How can I contribute your program and this
> > group ?
>
> > sincerly
> > yamajunn
>

> > My siteshttp://yamajunnshoginews.blogspot.com/http://yamajunn.hp.infoseek.co....( this site will move in several
> > months )http://shogi.wiki.fc2.com/

[Bernhard]

I don't (like to) say bad things about other shogi-software, because I
think it's better, the more software exists. Maybe much software gives
someone the energy to write own (better) software.

But in this way I like to ask, because maybe you didn't knew it.

You wrote: "I could find nothing except Reijer Grimbergen's playing
program Spear and Matt Casters' web oriented GSDB, ..."

Din't you also found "Kifu4Windows"???

Maybe you don't, because I have to say that your Shogi Viewer has no
advantages to Kifu4Win.
The only thing your program get points: your program is in english,
while Kifu4Win is japanese only. ;-)
But it's not difficulty to use the program also in this way.

Kifu4Win supports subvariations (VERY important for game analizing)
and also Kifu4win supports own graphic bitmaps, even in different size
you want.

So I ask, why using your Shogi Viewer instead of Kifu4win?

Oh, but your WMF-export is very nice !!!
(Still I would like more, when showing at hands, there are for example
only ONE silver with number beside, instead of many silber, like this
is with pawns. Understood? Also it would be nice to have options, to
show or hied the coords, also show letters or japanese-numbers at the
riht side)


By the way:
finaly after a long time of thinking, I decide to write my own
program. I don't like to waste much time for writing a program which
has only a very little bit advantage to Kifu4win.
So my MAIN aim was to support game engines (this is the big
dissadvantage of Kifu4win). After some tries without results, I
shortly made AGAIN some tests (I didn't know, what the hell I was
doing ;-) ) and finaly I had success.
NOW, I can make the best shogi Viewer+Editor, TILL NOW NOWHERE
EXISTS!!! ;-)
I will tell soon about it at the Shogi-L.
I'm preparing a page about futures and will ask, what important
things should be supported, beforee I make program-constraction which
often is hard to change.

[Bernhard]

On 20 Aug., 02:55, takodori <rei.kiriy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...

> the Kifu below, then Kifus in KIF format can be available to view in
> Shogi Viewer through the operation above.

Wouldn't it be better to convert KIF to other formats like PSN with a
Kifuconverter?

[BeginnersMind]

I couldn't find any information on kifu4win/kifu4windows using google
- perhaps Bernhard could point us/me in the right direction (I don't
read any Japanese though).

I like Andrei's viewer and even with extra options the language
barrier would probably put me off kifu4win - I just want a viewer to
replay games anyway.

The thing I'd most like to see in a viewer is one for my pocket pc (!)
- not a small task of course. Since I couldn't find one I've started
writing one myself (anyone know of a proper English one?). I've
uploaded a screen shot of where I'm at at present to the file section
- screenshot_ppc.bmp . I hope it's okay with Andrei but at present
I'm using the game archive from his viewer (the finished version will
credit him), however there's much work to be done before it will even
play though the test game properly. I'm aiming at a textbook diagram
design rather than a realistic wooden board effect since the screen
size is much smaller on the ppc.

Key options I hope to include are autoplay (a move every couple of
seconds etc), the option to switch to horrible western koma designs (I
really am a beginner!) and to be able to select games by openings.

oh, the software I'm using to develop it is fba : www.fbacreator.com -
which is free and pretty easy to use (the programming language is
lua). I'd be happy to give out the original code etc once I've got it
to a more complete stage so anyone could adapt it, or at least make
what I end up with available for others.

John

[Bernhard]

Hi,

> I couldn't find any information on kifu4win/kifu4windows using google
> - perhaps Bernhard could point us/me in the right direction (I don't
> read any Japanese though).

of course.
The main-page is here:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/kakinoki_y/#free%20soft

> I like Andrei's viewer and even with extra options the language
> barrier would probably put me off kifu4win

Oh, if you take care of the language barriere, you will have much
problems with Shogi. ;-|

> I just want a viewer to replay games anyway.

Of course, but for replaying, subvariations are VERY IMPORTANT for
learning.

> The thing I'd most like to see in a viewer is one for my pocket pc (!)

If you would say at a palm-computer, you could use my palm
program. ;-)
look here: http://home.arcor.de/bernhard.maerz/ShogiEV/

It's still not in version 1.0 and never will reach it, because I
stopped working on it for a long time, but nevertheless it is working
and I used it for recording my played games at tournaments.
It's muuuuuuuuuuuuch faster (for ME) than writing moves notation in
letters.

By the way: do you have a palm emulator for your pocket pc? ;-)))

> - not a small task of course.  Since I couldn't find one I've started
> writing one myself (anyone know of a proper English one?).  I've

Only for the palm there are a few one, but not good enough.
Also Ralf Lundberg who has written ShogiBoard for Palm is using my
program. ;-)

> uploaded a screen shot of where I'm at at present to the file section
> - screenshot_ppc.bmp .

Looks very nice.

> I hope it's okay with Andrei but at present
> I'm using the game archive from his viewer (the finished version will
> credit him), however there's much work to be done before it will even
> play though the test game properly.  I'm aiming at a textbook diagram
> design rather than a realistic wooden board effect since the screen
> size is much smaller on the ppc.

I see your screenshot - it looks very nice.
The (MY) palm has a much more smaller resolution, it's only
160x160. :-(

> Key options I hope to include are autoplay (a move every couple of
> seconds etc), the option to switch to horrible western koma designs (I
> really am a beginner!) and to be able to select games by openings.

My Palm program have some different designs and it's easy to add
more. ;-)

My palm program have NO subvariations, but it supports comments for
each move, as you can see at the screenshots.

I wish you good luck with your program, but a pocket pc is too
expensive for me and I don't the any other reason for buying one.

Bernhard

[BeginnersMind]

On Aug 24, 12:20 pm, Bernhard <shogi4...@arcor.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I couldn't find any information on kifu4win/kifu4windows using google
> > - perhaps Bernhard could point us/me in the right direction (I don't
> > read any Japanese though).
>
> of course.
> The main-page is here:http://homepage2.nifty.com/kakinoki_y/#free%20soft
>
> > I like Andrei's viewer and even with extra options the language
> > barrier would probably put me off kifu4win
>
> Oh, if you take care of the language barriere, you will have much
> problems with Shogi. ;-|
>

ha! yes. I'm not against learning a bit of Japanese (in fact I'm
slowly doing just that now), though at the moment my Shogi is limited
by my Shogi and I haven't even collected all the English language
material available. Regarding kifu4win, I tried it but all the fonts
were missing, so I'd have to figure out what (if anything) I need to
install to fix this (on a XP machine).

Your palm software looks pretty good, thanks for the encouragement
also. If my attempt at an application fails I'll get hold of an
emulator.

I got a cheap one 2nd hand one from ebay, my only reasons for it were
Shogi, International Chess, Go and Backgammon.

> Bernhard

John

[Andrei Lysenka]

> I have to say that your Shogi Viewer has no
> advantages to Kifu4Win.

> why using your Shogi Viewer instead of Kifu4win?

I have known about Kifu4Win, but as far as I know this application
does not support a PSN notation. By the way, I have not claimed and do
not claim that my software is the best choice. Shogi Viewer is just a
program to replay games from PSN files and I recognize that it is far
from ideal even of ordinary viewer, but I believe that Shogi Viewer +
PSN files could be as one of variants for storing games collection.

Initially, I developed this application for my own needs and had not
planned to distribute it. Why did I decide to make Shogi Viewer public
now?

1) Now I have a large pro games collection in PSN format.
2) I consider this notation more convenient score for reading (and
publication) for the Europeans. The popular server PlayOk (Kurnik)
allows exporting games in PSN format.
3) I could not find a convenient PSN viewer.
4) I think Shogi Viewer with games collection is a good tool which
helps in shogi booklet generating. (See a screenshot (booklet.jpg in
the File Section) of one of many booklets that we distribute among
Minsk shogi players)

Andrei

[Bernhard]

> I have known about Kifu4Win, but as far as I know this application
> does not support a PSN notation.

Oh, that's true. ;-)

> By the way, I have not claimed and do
> not claim that my software is the best choice.

No no nooo, you missunderstood me.
I didn't wan't to say something like this.
I only asked, why you made so much work for your program, even there
are one other I would prefere.

> from ideal even of ordinary viewer, but I believe that Shogi Viewer +
> PSN files could be as one of variants for storing games collection.

Also okay.
Nevertheless I would need subvariations ...

> Initially, I developed this application for my own needs and had not
> planned to distribute it. Why did I decide to make Shogi Viewer public
> now?

It's all okay.

Bernhard