[OT]配电脑，请指教

[Giant Y]

大家好！我需要配置一台电脑，用途如下：

• 文档编辑：emacs + TeX + google drive （不打算安装任何office软件）
• 网页浏览：“文本+图片”类型的网站居多
• 科学计算：MATLAB
• 编程：C语言
• 视频：主要是1080p影片

主板、cpu、内存、硬盘、电源、机箱、外设等部件就不麻烦各位出主意了。我主要是对显卡没有概念，N卡或A卡哪个定位的能正好满足我的用途？要求性价比高、能耗低，另外，很重要的一点，我不玩游戏，那种杀牛的显卡就别推荐了。

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[MildC]

你要本本还是台式？

这个要求i3级别就可以了

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[Giant Y]

台式。

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2012/9/2 MildC <mi...@shlug.org>

[Pan Foo]

Linux 还得A卡，N卡要装bumblebee，麻烦得很

[liyaoshi]

就看个片，i3足够了

[liyaoshi]

内置hd3000 的足够了

[Xidorn Quan]

不玩游戏就看片确实用 Intel 的集显就足够了

我本来还想说现在都有 HD4000 了，查了一下发现台机的 i3 还木有……

2012/9/2 liyaoshi <liya...@gmail.com>

[SuperCat]

……………………台式N卡根本不需要那个…………
用Linux买A卡简直就是找死………………驱动烂到家……

2012/9/2 Pan Foo <p4n...@gmail.com>

[Chaos Eternal]

貌似被骂的是n卡的驱动。Linus刚骂过。

[Zhenbo Li]

我用APU，可以负责的说，A卡的驱动不算太差了。
如果你装驱动失败，可以进恢复模式，很轻松的卸载掉驱动。
长期不装驱动裸奔的路过~~~

PS Linus骂n卡驱动应该是因为不提供开源版本吧

[Xidorn Quan]

不过n卡的闭源驱动做得还是不错的

2012/9/2 Chaos Eternal <chaose...@shlug.org>

[David pulq]

你们居然搞了半天都没注意Linus到底骂啥嘛。。 人家是骂N卡没有提供Optimus Linux支持。

貌似被骂的是n卡的驱动。Linus刚骂过。

……………………台式N卡根本不需要那个…………
用Linux买A卡简直就是找死………………驱动烂到家……

2012/9/2 Pan Foo <p4n...@gmail.com>

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[孑影]

A卡吧，你这个需求压根就动用不上N卡，虽然N看功耗上面要比A卡号，但是，你台式机不讲究散热和功耗，怕啥啊。

[MildC]

hd3000就够了

都能玩暗黑3了

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[Chaos Eternal]

仔细把那几篇新闻翻出来看了一遍，没理解错：
linus就是骂nvidia对linux支持不好。反正偶的n卡驱动到现在还有bug。

2012/9/2 David pulq <pulq...@gmail.com>:

[z7z8th]

做专业图形的一般都是A卡。
在win下玩游戏的话，N卡好点，N卡针对游戏做优化，游戏也对N卡做优化，快一点，但画质不好。

[Giant Y]

因为cpu定在“速龙II X4 638”或者“速龙II X4 641”，所以必须配个独立显卡。

某商城上出售的A卡最低端的型号HD5450能满足流畅播放1080p视频吗？

[Yongwei Wu]

为什么一定这么定？很负责任地说，Intel的集成显卡一般用途绝对够用了。如果玩玩多媒体的话，Quick Sync技术是CPU编码H.264速度的好多倍。

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[SuperCat]

对AMD无爱…………并且曾经被A卡伤害过好多次………………

2012/9/2 Yongwei Wu <wuyo...@gmail.com>

[z7z8th]

就是现在Quick Sync支持的格式少了点。
就 H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, VC-1 and MPEG-2

[Xidorn Quan]

Quick Sync 的画质不如 CPU 编码，应用场景也不一样，格式支持这样其实也够了

2012/9/2 z7z8th <ybzha...@gmail.com>

[Yuanchong Zhu]

随便一个i3都比这俩强啊……

2012/9/2 Giant Y <y560...@gmail.com>:

> 因为cpu定在“速龙II X4 638”或者“速龙II X4 641”，所以必须配个独立显卡。
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> 某商城上出售的A卡最低端的型号HD5450能满足流畅播放1080p视频吗？
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2012/9/2 Yuanchong Zhu <redsk...@gmail.com>

随便一个i3都比这俩强啊……

我有i3 2370（2.4G 3ML3 ） 和 amd 5000+ 开4核的（2.2G 6M L3）

我个人感觉还是物理4核快那么一点点。 

但是i3真心省电啊

[Shell Xu]

win下，可以，要不我让给你一块？刚刚升级了显卡。

from miui

[Giant Y]

linux下可以吗？

谢谢你的好意。我还是自己买吧。

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On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Shell Xu <shell...@gmail.com> wrote:

win下，可以，要不我让给你一块？刚刚升级了显卡。

[姚飞]

Mac mini 低配，MC815CH/A

没有钱没有权，工作全凭嘴巴甜

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[Giant Y]

只查到i3 2370M，这个是用于笔记本的，而我要配的是台式机。

Ps:选择AMD是因其性价比高！

-> posted by  Giant Y

[Shell Xu]

没什么保证的。

我拿这个显卡跑过linux，但是没上过1080p。至少720p放的没问题。

2012/9/3 Giant Y <y560...@gmail.com>

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[kaifeng jin]

核显就可以了吧，不用配独显

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[Shell Xu]

不好说。
对linux支持最好的显卡是intel的，哪个能支持1080p纯粹看具体设备，没法一概而论。

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[Rongxing Liu]

正解，我还特意去youtube上下载了那个讲座，还是一位女生提的问题。

[Yongwei Wu]

网上可以找到测评的。常见任务i3占优，充分使用多线程的任务Athlon占优。但Athlon耗电更大，发热量更高。

[杨毅涛]

建议配 i7 至少在运行一些东西的时候有必要。

不要看需求很简单。毕竟是消费类产品，i7+16G内存。是现在的主流配置，装linux可以不配显卡。不过可以考虑那种小主板机器，配下来并不是很多钱。

要不你干脆淘宝上弄个二手的IBM之类的台式算了，价格巨便宜，百元左右。

[SuperCat]

台式还是配大主板爽…………很强的扩展能力

2012/9/3 杨毅涛 <yangy...@gmail.com>

[Rhythm]

同意，i7 + 16G + SSD 即可，办公对CPU要求还是很高的，有的时候计算压力比较大，卡一下还是很不爽的，硬盘上SSD也是这个道理。

[SuperCat]

SSD + 机械盘吧，SSD做系统盘足够了，保存大容量数据还是普通硬盘好

2012/9/3 Rhythm <rhythm...@gmail.com>

[杨毅涛]

配置清单

配件类型

配件名称

数量

单价

CPU Intel 英特尔 酷睿 i7 六核处理器 i7 3930K -3.2GHz/LGA 2011/12M 三级缓存/130W 盒装 1 ￥4350.00 

主板 ASUS 华硕 RAMPAGE IV GENE 主板 -LGA 2011/Intel X79/Micro ATX 1 ￥2699.00 

内存 PATRIOT 博帝 DDR3 1866 16GB VIPER3毒蛇3代(8GB*2)套装 台式机内存 2 ￥1199.00 

硬盘 Crucial 英睿达 m4 128G SSD固态硬盘 - 2.5英寸SATAIII(6.0Gb/s) 7毫米 1 ￥729.00 

显示器 ViewSonic 优派 水星尤里卡系列 VX2453mh-LED 23.6寸 16:9 液晶显示器 1 ￥1455.00 

机箱 CoolerMaster 酷冷至尊 特警360 迷你塔式机箱 不带电源 1 ￥199.00 

电源 Antec 安钛克 TP-650 额定650W电源 1 ￥749.00 

光驱 Pioneer 先锋 24X DVD刻录机 DVR-220CHV 黑色 1 ￥139.00 

键鼠套装 Logitech 罗技 MK120 键鼠套装 黑色 1 ￥75.00 

音箱 Edifier 漫步者 R1000TC 北美版 2.0 音箱 1 ￥229.00 

耳机 Sennheiser 森海塞尔 HD180 头戴式 监听 耳机 1 ￥159.00 

总计金额：￥13181.00 

刚才在新蛋上面随便试配了一下。这个板子是可以加很好的独立显卡的。

配置发出来供大家参考，内存和Cpu好的原因是，你要是做开发，总归需要时不时虚拟机一下，或者跑个oracle之类的东西做个环境测试。

[杨毅涛]

还有，内存是32G的。

[MildC]

。。。这配置太狠了

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[杨毅涛]

只能算一般，我没有加i7至尊版就不错了。我比较擅长配那种性能超级强劲的机器。另外，这个需求有个关键的东西，科学计算：MATLAB，既然要跑这个玩意，性能比较差的东西就别玩，不要到时候写个什么东西，机器放那里3天3夜。如果做科学计算。这个配置的主板，可以加那种杀牛显卡。还可以SLI双显卡，可以在未来升级CUDA计算。

硬盘方面，可以加第二块机械硬盘，升级Ssd容量。

顶配的意思是，现有技术基本没有升级空间了。这个还有N多升级空间。

[Chaos Eternal]

支持最好不是s3？

[Marco]

我来打个酱油， 一万好几千的PC。。。。我宁愿买三台、四台的“主流配置”机器， 联合使用， 再加两台好点儿的显示器， 秒杀一切打着至尊旗号的其它产品。

2012/9/3 杨毅涛 <yangy...@gmail.com>

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[Yiling Cao]

cpu 太好， ssd太小， 耳机一般， cpu风扇忘记买了，我买过这个，没风扇的。

2012/9/3 Marco <chopi...@gmail.com>:

[ShiRichard]

配件 名称 价格 数量
CPU
英特尔(Intel)22纳米 酷睿i7 3770盒装CPU（LGA1155/3.4GHz/四核/8M三级缓存）
￥2109 1
主板
华硕(ASUS)Maximus V GENE(Intel Z77/LGA 1155)主板
￥1899 1
内存
金士顿(Kingston)骇客神条 Blu系列 DDR3 1600 16GB(8Gx2条)台式机内存(KHX16C10B1K2/16X)
￥699 1
显卡
迪兰恒进（Dataland）H6770恒金二代1G 800/4800 1GB/128bit GDDR5 PCI-E 显卡
￥679 1
硬盘
美光（Crucial）M4系列 256G 2.5英寸 SATA-3固态硬盘(CT256M4SSD2)
￥1799 1
声卡


光驱


网卡


显示器
戴尔（DELL）UltraSharp U2212HM 21.5英寸宽屏高清LED背光显示器
￥1339 2
机箱
Tt（thermaltake）M3（VB2000BNS） 中塔式机箱 黑色
￥199 1
电源
TT 威龙650电源（额定550W/双管正激电路设计/支持背部走线）
￥299 1
鼠标


键盘
罗技（Logitech）MK520 无线键鼠套装
￥255 1
音箱
漫步者（EDIFIER） R1000TC 北美版 2.0声道 多媒体音箱
￥229 1
散热器
超频三（pccooler）红海-至尊版 多平台CPU散热器
￥145 1
软件


装机服务

共12件商品 ￥10990

硬盘比上套大，独立显卡顺带玩玩游戏，CPU/主板性价比高，2台显示器适合开发，键盘比上套也好点。总价比上套还便宜点。

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[杨毅涛]

哈哈，上套配置主要是Cpu配置高了点，还有内存大了点。散热片当时懒得选。不过这个写的是盒装，应该带个小散热片把。没有选的原因时需要仔细考虑安装方式还有空间，没有自己计算。Ssd没有找到256的选项。键盘偏好简单些的，很郁闷有的时候键盘驱动不上，或者装换电池麻烦。

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[liyaoshi]

这价钱不买机械键盘对得起自己么

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[杨毅涛]

仅供参考，每个人偏好不一样。所以会有组装机这个说法，自己定制自己的机器。

[杨毅涛]

CPU Intel 英特尔 酷睿 i7 六核处理器 i7 3930K -3.2GHz/LGA 2011/12M 三级缓存/130W 盒装

这个Cpu是6核12线程的，系统中可以看到12颗Cpu。三级缓存12M，很多Cpu都是8M三级缓存。

所以价格贵很多。

[Yiling Cao]

@杨毅涛： 这个cpu盒装是没有风扇的！ 我确定，买过

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[杨毅涛]

那就配个风扇了。解释过，我配置的时候估计要风扇，没有选择是因为没有时间仔细核算风扇功率，尺寸等，防止错误配置。

不过谢谢提醒，以后都要选择风扇了。

[liyaoshi]

你这个不只是风扇的问题

是要个水冷机箱

[Yuanchen Xie]

我也感觉10k+的配置，键盘太差了

2012/9/3 liyaoshi <liya...@gmail.com>

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最近苹果机器貌似可以做到官网的九折。

 

 

2012-09-03

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发件人： Yuanchen Xie

发送时间： 2012-09-03 19:10

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主题： Re: [shlug] [OT]配电脑，请指教

[Serenade]

额，3k的机器玩暗黑3已经很开心了；留点钱买软件吧- -；

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[杨毅涛]

苹果也就那么回事了，未来如何不知道了。乔帮主上船以后。IMac居然都可以只有i5了。

在过去的几年。苹果的配置一直比较高端的路线。现在开始走逐步低端了。虽然过去的东西，价格看起来非常高，但是值。你拉倒同样配置，PC也要那么多钱的。

我的原则是，在预算许可的范围内，尽量高端。这样你的机器配置可以多撑几年。不然很快就被摩尔定律抛到不知道哪里去了。

就和买鞋一样，有的人喜欢天天穿新鞋，我就买10块一双的。有的人喜欢贵一些，但是不见得换得那么快。

也有人认为，我买100台便宜的PC server性能肯定超过你100万一台的小型机。事实不是这样哦。机器性能不是你多几台机器就可以累加。最终的运营成本也够吓人。电费可以高出几十倍。如果你给服务器交过电费就理解了。还有租用机房的空间占用费。一年下来。几台小型机的钱就出去了。

2012/9/3 Serenade <seren...@gmail.com>

[SuperCat]

买Xeon的CPU试试看，不过貌似Xeon的散片不好入手

2012/9/3 杨毅涛 <yangy...@gmail.com>

[George]

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[Sami Zhan]

i7这么高档的配置没必要吧。我目前APU-A4,awesome用起来非常流畅，asciidoc很好。比以前i3的用起来舒服。

i7我穷，没用过。

[Sami Zhan]

个人觉得APU A6应该够了吧。。我就是不用matlab，我估计这个可能要占用CPU，A4不知道行不行。

[Úcarenya]

家用台式机SSD没必要吧，关键应用（浏览器，编译中间产物）都跑内存里了，
比SSD便宜好用的多了.

N 卡现在的Xorg表现还是强过A...

On 14:41 Mon 03 Sep , SuperCat wrote:
> SSD + 机械盘吧，SSD做系统盘足够了，保存大容量数据还是普通硬盘好
>
> 2012/9/3 Rhythm <rhythm...@gmail.com>
>
> 同意，i7 + 16G + SSD 即可，办公对CPU要求还是很高的，有的时候计算压力比较大
> ，卡一下还是很不爽的，硬盘上SSD也是这个道理。
>

> 在 2012年9月3日下午2:28，杨毅涛 <yangy...@gmail.com>写道：
>
> 建议配 i7 至少在运行一些东西的时候有必要。
> 不要看需求很简单。毕竟是消费类产品，i7+16G内存。是现在的主流配置，装
> linux可以不配显卡。不过可以考虑那种小主板机器，配下来并不是很多钱。
> 要不你干脆淘宝上弄个二手的IBM之类的台式算了，价格巨便宜，百元左右。
>

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[Samuel Chen]

费那劲干嘛，有预算上 mac mini 或 pro

预算少上 二手 mac mini 或 pro/air

2012/9/6 Úcarenya <infe...@gmail.com>

[SuperCat]

果黑路过

2012/9/7 Samuel Chen <samue...@gmail.com>

[Gene Wu]

扩展也要看，很多台式机只插过显卡。。。。

On Sep 3, 2012 2:32 PM, "SuperCat" <superca...@gmail.com> wrote:

台式还是配大主板爽…………很强的扩展能力

2012/9/3 杨毅涛 <yangy...@gmail.com>

建议配 i7 至少在运行一些东西的时候有必要。

不要看需求很简单。毕竟是消费类产品，i7+16G内存。是现在的主流配置，装linux可以不配显卡。不过可以考虑那种小主板机器，配下来并不是很多钱。

要不你干脆淘宝上弄个二手的IBM之类的台式算了，价格巨便宜，百元左右。

在 2012年9月3日 下午2:03，Yongwei Wu <wuyo...@gmail.com>写道：

网上可以找到测评的。常见任务i3占优，充分使用多线程的任务Athlon占优。但Athlon耗电更大，发热量更高。

On 3 September 2012 08:43, liyaoshi <liya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> 2012/9/2 Yuanchong Zhu <redsk...@gmail.com>
>>
>> 随便一个i3都比这俩强啊……
>
>
> 我有i3 2370（2.4G 3ML3 ） 和 amd 5000+ 开4核的（2.2G 6M L3）
>
> 我个人感觉还是物理4核快那么一点点。
>
> 但是i3真心省电啊
>
>>
>> 2012/9/2 Giant Y <y560...@gmail.com>:
>> > 因为cpu定在“速龙II X4 638”或者“速龙II X4 641”，所以必须配个独立显卡。
>> >
>> > 某商城上出售的A卡最低端的型号HD5450能满足流畅播放1080p视频吗？
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[Gene Wu]

按我的说法是，机械键盘对于程序员来说是劳保用品。

保不保护自己的挣钱工具，自己看着办

[Yuanchong Zhu]

劳保用品……这个说法太有才了～

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