[OT]培训机构与QQ
Darius Stone
感觉尚观的培训做得还行，就去报了个脱产班，填报名表的时候非让我填QQ，说是方便班级同学交流，我木有QQ啊，我也不想去申请，手机上也懒得装，反正就是不想用QQ。我就搞不懂了，号称坚决不在Windows下模拟全部实机操作的尚观竟然让我填QQ加群？？？我对QQ的感觉就是用来扯淡的，特别容易有事没事瞎聊，邮件列表多好啊，不那么娱乐倾向感觉比较技术范，可以随时翻邮件看记录。如果要实时的话可以建一个XMPP的群嘛。QQ有什么优势啊？是我变态还是？？
组里的各位运维、开发、码农，你们都是用QQ联系的么？
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Timothy
gtalk功能没有那么繁杂，清爽得多
QQ纯娱乐性质的
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Timothy
哈哈哈
Li Zhu
没必要上升到很高的高度。
我个人的原则是什么方便用什么，而且如果是和别人合作的话，我都是尽量去迁就别人的交流工具。也没有什么大不了的。
关注交流的实质而不是去纠结工具，我认为更重要。
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Darius Stone
姚 飞
你没有啥值得跟人交流的价值，再好的软件也扯淡。
不要本末倒置。想让别人用你喜欢的软件跟你交流，要先看看自己有没有那么大的价值值得别人为你费力气。莫不如自己多弄点儿手段去主动迎合别人，大家的代价都能低一点。
Darius Stone
Timothy
我开的联通BIS，一个月60的那种
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:58:09
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On 19 Oct, 2012, at 23:07, Timothy <yexiaoz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> QQ主要让人分心的元素比较多一些
> 我开的联通BIS，一个月60的那种
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> 迁就别人也无可厚非，但是我就感觉用QQ和别人讨论个问题有点......怎么说来着？没这个氛围还是注意力不能集中？QQ的聊天窗口就和那些论坛一样，实际可用面基太小了，又要显示头像还有那啥空间打扮，就像在论坛发帖，没说几个字但是一个屏幕90％以上的面基都用来显示你的头像、积分、注册日期、级别、签名，那头像还是gif的...另外，Timothy，你的黑莓开服务了么？
Darius Stone
Timothy
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QQ秀，各种群消息，还有聊天窗口的广告
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kernel
gtalk可以发送截图嘛？虽然我也用gtalk,但是qq有时候更方便一些。一开始我也鄙视win下的一切，现在慢慢觉得win的东西还不错
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Ma Xiaojun
> gtalk可以发送截图嘛？虽然我也用gtalk,但是qq有时候更方便一些。一开始我也鄙视win下的一切，现在慢慢觉得win的东西还不错
http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-sendscreenshot/
然后看我在Wiki后面的那个评论，用img.vim-cn.com作为provider
http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-sendscreenshot/wiki/ImageHostingProviders
Ma Xiaojun
> QQ的远程协助这种东西，其他软件有实现了的吗，我远程帮我妈解决电脑问题得靠这个......
Windows XP自带的远程协助，比QQ早多了……
Ma Xiaojun
> QQ的远程协助这种东西，其他软件有实现了的吗，我远程帮我妈解决电脑问题得靠这个......
Li Zhu
其实远程协助这个东西用 teamviewer比qq更靠谱。而且还跨平台。
依云
了不少元素隐藏规则。不少博客也是因为排版或者界面元素等原因而没有订阅。
QQ 嘛，登录一个弹窗，不时来个探出窗口（记得是会获得键盘焦点的），聊天窗
口右侧栏可以关掉，但右上角还有 GIF 广告呢，输入消息框下边的文字广告每次
窗口获得焦点时都要变一下 :-(
其实 TM 挺好的，广告啊积分啊一个没有，截图、传文件、语音视频远程协助都
行。唯一的缺点是不支持 Linux，不过它支持了我也不敢用。要是提供来消息的
API 之类的就好了。
至于说 Windows 远程协助的，首先呢，微软的技术太高级，一般用户根本用不
来。而且，Windows 远程协助一旦连接，本地会话将被切换出去。而 QQ 远程协助
是能看到对方的操作并且能同时操作的。
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之前 chrome 有个插件可以远程协助挺好用的，装好就能用。后来更新了，就再也没搞懂过怎么用了……
Darius Stone
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>>>>> 迁就别人也无可厚非，但是我就感觉用QQ和别人讨论个问题有点.**.....怎么说来着？没这个氛围还是注意力不能集中？**
>>>>> QQ的聊天窗口就和那些论坛一样，实际可用面基太小了，**又要显示头像还有那啥空间打扮，就像在论坛发帖，**
>>>>> 没说几个字但是一个屏幕90％以上的面基都用来显示你的头像、**积分、注册日期、级别、签名，那头像还是gif的...另外，**
>>>>> Timothy，你的黑莓开服务了么？
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/19/12, Li Zhu <zhulip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 都是交流工具而已，不论是 email, qq 还是 gtalk.
>>>>>> 没必要上升到很高的高度。
>>>>>> 我个人的原则是什么方便用什么，而且如果是和别人合作的话，**我都是尽量去迁就别人的交流工具。也没有什么大不了的。
>>>>>> 关注交流的实质而不是去纠结工具，我认为更重要。
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Jilin University, China
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>>>>>> 在 2012年10月19日星期五，下午10:35，Darius Stone 写道：
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 今天碰到一件很不爽的事情，特意上来吐槽。
>>>>>>> 感觉尚观的培训做得还行，就去报了个脱产班，**填报名表的时候非让我填QQ，说是方便班级同学交流，**
>>>>>>> 我木有QQ啊，我也不想去申请，手机上也懒得装，**反正就是不想用QQ。我就搞不懂了，**
>>>>>>> 号称坚决不在Windows下模拟全部实机操作的尚观竟然让我填**QQ加群？？？我对QQ的感觉就是用来扯淡的，**
>>>>>>> 特别容易有事没事瞎聊，邮件列表多好啊，**不那么娱乐倾向感觉比较技术范，可以随时翻邮件看记录。**
>>>>>>> 如果要实时的话可以建一个XMPP的群嘛。QQ有什么优势啊？**是我变态还是？？
>>>>>>> 组里的各位运维、开发、码农，你们都是用QQ联系的么？
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你又刷屏了，不乖哦
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Ma Xiaojun
> 咱天朝用扣扣，不知国外用什么。说实话，不用扣扣都有点找不到组织了，好想去Google
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裁剪引文，同学……
虽然SHLUG顶回复的人很多……
国外其实IM用得不heavy，你要走平民路线用Facebook就行了...
杨帆
lmgtfy用得恰到好处啊。。cool!
Darius Stone
Kevin
At every end, there is another beginning !
Xuankang Lin
2012/10/19 Xuankang Lin <lxk19...@gmail.com>:
> QQ的远程协助这种东西，其他软件有实现了的吗，我远程帮我妈解决电脑问题得靠这个......
Windows XP自带的远程协助，比QQ早多了……
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MildC
Ma Xiaojun
Chaos Eternal
运维应该用irc啊
2012/10/19 Darius Stone <helld...@gmail.com>:
> 今天碰到一件很不爽的事情，特意上来吐槽。
> 感觉尚观的培训做得还行，就去报了个脱产班，填报名表的时候非让我填QQ，说是方便班级同学交流，我木有QQ啊，我也不想去申请，手机上也懒得装，反正就是不想用QQ。我就搞不懂了，号称坚决不在Windows下模拟全部实机操作的尚观竟然让我填QQ加群？？？我对QQ的感觉就是用来扯淡的，特别容易有事没事瞎聊，邮件列表多好啊，不那么娱乐倾向感觉比较技术范，可以随时翻邮件看记录。如果要实时的话可以建一个XMPP的群嘛。QQ有什么优势啊？是我变态还是？？
> 组里的各位运维、开发、码农，你们都是用QQ联系的么？
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QQ的远程协助这种东西，其他软件有实现了的吗，我远程帮我妈解决电脑问题得靠这个......
5位那种纯属扯淡。
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Sami Zhan
2012/10/19 MildC <mi...@shlug.org>:
> 妈妈级别的能用QQ已经很好了
Empathy上手更快……
Sami Zhan
ghosTM55
> 在国外读书也就这样.我们学校是文理学院,反正我是努力学习.我们有个tutorial课,13个人,围坐一张桌子,都有人敢大胆翘课.有个人我好像1个多月就看到两三次.
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> 更不要说公立Universities了,一个班一个大礼堂,想集中注意力都难.打开手机上facebook,tumblr,不认真听课是家常便饭的事情.我室友在另外一个学校上computer
> science,就是大礼堂.我的艺术课也是,50个人,大部分人每节课必睡着.他一个作业拖欠2个礼拜,经常逃课玩mac,教授根本就没感觉的.该学校是美国顶尖学校,他计算机确实是新手,还拖欠作业,但是据他说还有很多女生学期上了一半还在问最基本的问题.
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> 而且人多的课,基本上不会认识同学.就更无聊了.
什么学校？
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Ma Xiaojun
Sami Zhan
Sami Zhan
Lu Yiguang
我觉得唯一用扣扣的原因是，妹子都用扣扣，我没有妹子，所以不用的话永远都不会有妹子 T_T T_T
今天碰到一件很不爽的事情，特意上来吐槽。
感觉尚观的培训做得还行，就去报了个脱产班，填报名表的时候非让我填QQ，说是方便班级同学交流，我木有QQ啊，我也不想去申请，手机上也懒得装，反正就是不想用QQ。我就搞不懂了，号称坚决不在Windows下模拟全部实机操作的尚观竟然让我填QQ加群？？？我对QQ的感觉就是用来扯淡的，特别容易有事没事瞎聊，邮件列表多好啊，不那么娱乐倾向感觉比较技术范，可以随时翻邮件看记录。如果要实时的话可以建一个XMPP的群嘛。QQ有什么优势啊？是我变态还是？？
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> 我觉得唯一用扣扣的原因是，妹子都用扣扣，我没有妹子，所以不用的话永远都不会有妹子 T_T T_T
Chaos Eternal
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今天碰到一件很不爽的事情，特意上来吐槽。
感觉尚观的培训做得还行，就去报了个脱产班，填报名表的时候非让我填QQ，说是方便班级同学交流，我木有QQ啊，我也不想去申请，手机上也懒得装，反正就是不想用QQ。我就搞不懂了，号称坚决不在Windows下模拟全部实机操作的尚观竟然让我填QQ加群？？？我对QQ的感觉就是用来扯淡的，特别容易有事没事瞎聊，邮件列表多好啊，不那么娱乐倾向感觉比较技术范，可以随时翻邮件看记录。如果要实时的话可以建一个XMPP的群嘛。QQ有什么优势啊？是我变态还是？？
组里的各位运维、开发、码农，你们都是用QQ联系的么？
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Xuankang Lin
Shell Xu
两个动词换位置。
from miui
Ma Xiaojun
> 我也一下想到了这句标语 “上同学，找人人”......
这个经典
Darius Stone
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Xuankang Lin <lxk19...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 我也一下想到了这句标语 “上同学，找人人”......
这个经典
YanQian
On Friday, October 19, 2012 11:35:33 PM UTC+8, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
2012/10/19 kernel <firefox...@gmail.com>:
> gtalk可以发送截图嘛？虽然我也用gtalk,但是qq有时候更方便一些。一开始我也鄙视win下的一切，现在慢慢觉得win的东西还不错http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-sendscreenshot/
然后看我在Wiki后面的那个评论，用img.vim-cn.com作为provider
http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-sendscreenshot/wiki/ImageHostingProviders
馒头簸箕
如果嫌qq太花哨，可以考虑用TM, 干净很多。
在 2012-10-19 下午11:24，"Darius Stone" <helld...@gmail.com>写道：和青蛙一样，会被动的东西影响，比如聊天窗口里那些穿着衣服的各种小人，房子。我有病？
On 10/19/12, Jack Li <lij...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 我也不用qq，不过我好奇qq有什么东西能让你们分心的？ 一直觉得qq的那些衣服钻石什么的只对小孩子有吸引力来着
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>> QQ主要让人分心的元素比较多一些
>> 我开的联通BIS，一个月60的那种
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>> 迁就别人也无可厚非，但是我就感觉用QQ和别人讨论个问题有点......怎么说来着？没这个氛围还是注意力不能集中？QQ的聊天窗口就和那些论坛一样，实际可用面基太小了，又要显示头像还有那啥空间打扮，就像在论坛发帖，没说几个字但是一个屏幕90％以上的面基都用来显示你的头像、积分、注册日期、级别、签名，那头像还是gif的...另外，Timothy，你的黑莓开服务了么？
>>
>> On 10/19/12, Li Zhu <zhulip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 都是交流工具而已，不论是 email, qq 还是 gtalk.
>>> 没必要上升到很高的高度。
>>> 我个人的原则是什么方便用什么，而且如果是和别人合作的话，我都是尽量去迁就别人的交流工具。也没有什么大不了的。
>>> 关注交流的实质而不是去纠结工具，我认为更重要。
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>>> 在 2012年10月19日星期五，下午10:35，Darius Stone 写道：
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>>>> 今天碰到一件很不爽的事情，特意上来吐槽。
>>>> 感觉尚观的培训做得还行，就去报了个脱产班，填报名表的时候非让我填QQ，说是方便班级同学交流，我木有QQ啊，我也不想去申请，手机上也懒得装，反正就是不想用QQ。我就搞不懂了，号称坚决不在Windows下模拟全部实机操作的尚观竟然让我填QQ加群？？？我对QQ的感觉就是用来扯淡的，特别容易有事没事瞎聊，邮件列表多好啊，不那么娱乐倾向感觉比较技术范，可以随时翻邮件看记录。如果要实时的话可以建一个XMPP的群嘛。QQ有什么优势啊？是我变态还是？？
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当年 Windows 下的 QQ 也是干净的不能再干净了。
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Ma Xiaojun
Xidorn Quan
我们在公司用 IRC，安全。当然 GTalk 也一样安全，毕竟都是自家的产品。
用 IRC 和 XMPP 这种开放协议有一大好处就是公司内部可以自己建服务器进行交流，不需要依赖任何其他人的东西~
none_nobody
除非对方很强硬的用聊天工具，但基本上是回答完一次以后，就不用IM了。
我这样是8是有点反人类啊？
且说：米国有个部落，拒绝现代文明。 KK 貌似其中之一。有些许人连移动电话都不开的，想要找他，写邮件吧，或者你写信也可以啊。
想到这里，我淡然而去，深藏功与名。
On Friday, October 19, 2012 10:39:49 PM UTC+8, AleiPhoenix wrote:
QQ就是扯淡闲聊用的，上班一般不开。周末也懒得开。倒是很奇怪，好多运维喜欢用QQ。。
Chaos Eternal
ghosTM55
Chaos Eternal
另外，不能叫托总是为哪般...再说，我认识的人里面，姚总这个称呼已经被占了，又不能叫你ghost总，只好叫托马斯总了，简称托总。
ghosTM55
> 老木厉害着呐。。。
>
> 另外，不能叫托总是为哪般...再说，我认识的人里面，姚总这个称呼已经被占了，又不能叫你ghost总，只好叫托马斯总了，简称托总。
6ams5YuS5oiI5aOBCg==
Chaos Eternal
none_nobody
现在也没有IRC用了。
还得钓得着会上IRC的妹子才行啊。
On Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:02:48 PM UTC+8, Chaos Eternal wrote:
当初是哪个在irc上钓到妹子。。。
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感觉teamviewer不付费就很难用的说，它会各种断线的。。当然也可能是我用的方法不对我平时教妹子电脑的时候直接用了Chrome
我之前也用 Chrome 那个应用远程帮过妹子但是自从那玩意升级以后连我自己都不会用了更不用说教妹子怎么用了……
Chaos Eternal
2012/10/21 Darius Stone <helld...@gmail.com>:
Ma Xiaojun
> 1. 一个班总有零基础的学员，他们在开课以前可能只用过一种操作系统（Windows）和一种软件（QQ）
> 2.
> 授课过程中，尚观的班主任会全程跟踪班级内全体学员的学习进度和学习状态，并且不定期收集学员对讲师的反馈意见，而我们尚观的班主任妹妹只用过一种操作系统（Windows），只用过一种即时通讯软件（QQ）
這就是你們培訓的問題了，用個Pidgin這麼難？
> 3.
> 及时通讯软件的选择，重点在普及程度和易用性，我的老东家也曾经参与过即时通讯大战，最终的胜利者腾讯虽然不怎么招人喜欢，但也不妨碍他在中国实际的即时通讯软件统治地位
這你就是偷換概念了，百毒在中國佔有統治地位，但是技術人員包括百毒員工查技術信息都是用Google的。
> 4. 如果学员坚持不填写QQ号，尚观是不会强求的，不是还有手机号和邮箱吗，只要留下方便的联系方式，我们会联系到你的。
你們可以增加一個其他IM選項，除了QQ，其他IM用Pidgin在上用都是很容易的。
杨毅涛
Ma Xiaojun
> 一句话，现在通讯工具那么多，重要的事情是用户的广泛程度。
同偷換概念。
> 别人的主要目的是能够方便快速的联系到大家，以及互相之间自由交流。linux下也没有什么IM在国内用户中有非常广泛的应用。而且不方便群体讨论。
我覺得通過你的GMail直接GTalk加你最方便了。
GTalk一般用Linux做桌面的用戶都會有的。
要群體討論有IRC。
> 非要纠结的话。你要不要大家都写无线电呼号不要写手机号码呢？当然，无线电爱好者或者无线电培训圈子很靠谱。
這是就是圈子和大衆的區別。參加技術專業培訓卻不能接觸圈子的東西？
> 最核心的问题，留QQ号码，是为了方便所有学员之间的联系。至少大多数学员都能用和有能力使用的工具最靠谱。难道你没有使用QQ的能力吗？
其實你這還是佔有率等於一切論，樓主就沒有QQ號，方便什麼啊？至於你說參加Linux培訓的人是不是大多數都喜歡用QQ，那我們還是看尚觀那位朋友的統計數字好了。
> 既然要去学习，建议你倒空你自己。如果你不倒空，你还学什么呀？难道你都会了吗？
到底是誰應該倒空？只會用QQ怎麼去各種開源社區找支持？國內靠譜的技術社區都不會用QQ，比如這裏，堅持QQ根本就是畫地爲牢。
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Best regards to you and your family
Terry Zheng
这事要去说说。
运维应该用irc啊
2012/10/19 Darius Stone <helld...@gmail.com>:
> 今天碰到一件很不爽的事情，特意上来吐槽。
> 感觉尚观的培训做得还行，就去报了个脱产班，填报名表的时候非让我填QQ，说是方便班级同学交流，我木有QQ啊，我也不想去申请，手机上也懒得装，反正就是不想用QQ。我就搞不懂了，号称坚决不在Windows下模拟全部实机操作的尚观竟然让我填QQ加群？？？我对QQ的感觉就是用来扯淡的，特别容易有事没事瞎聊，邮件列表多好啊，不那么娱乐倾向感觉比较技术范，可以随时翻邮件看记录。如果要实时的话可以建一个XMPP的群嘛。QQ有什么优势啊？是我变态还是？？
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linux 也是可以在域环境中的, google 下，joindomain–cli