RE: [Shitat-Hashavua] Parshat Devarim Chazon

[Shimon Niren]

what kind of work is Rashbi talking about that we cant do on yom kippor?

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Gabi Spiewak wrote:

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[Michael Poppers]

On Aug 7, 5:14 pm, Shimon Niren <fishhead...@optonline.net> wrote:
> what kind of work is Rashbi talking about that we cant do on yom kippor?
>

RaSHBaG, not RaSHBY, and, for the sake of argument, "m'lacha" is
defined as it is defined re Shabbos. What is your question, Shimon?
Thanks.

A gut'n Shabbes/Shabbas Shalom
and all the best from
Michael Poppers * Elizabeth, NJ, USA

[Shimon Niren]

sorry for the confusion
rashbag said that anyone who does "work" or melacha on tisha b'av is
like he did work on yom kippor. what kind of work is prohibited on tisha
b'av? It cant be that the 39 melachos of shabbos are prohibited becease
we drive and turn on and off lights on tisha b'av...

[Michael Poppers]

On Aug 13, 11:53 pm, Shimon Niren <fishhead...@optonline.net> wrote:
> sorry for the confusion
> rashbag said that anyone who does "work" or melacha on tisha b'av is
> like he did work on yom kippor. what kind of work is prohibited on tisha
> b'av? It cant be that the 39 melachos of shabbos are prohibited becease
> we drive and turn on and off lights on tisha b'av...
>

Just to summarize publicly what R'Rosenberg and I privately discussed
with you after yesterday's 6:40am Shacharis at the JEC Reibel BM: I
think RaSHBaG is noting the _significance_ of someone performing the
type of creative labors on 9Av which he would not dare perform on YhK,
and as R'Rosenberg noted when I mentioned the ma'amar CHaZaL of "anger
is like avodah zarah," the idea isn't that y'hareig v'al ya'avor re
anger (but rather, as I mentioned, that one should consider the
significance of one's actions and what's involved when one gets
angry). Hope that helps :).

All the best from

[EveH...@aol.com]

Thanks, Michael!

Another aspect that I brought up this past shabbos may also tie in with Gabi's question from last week re marriage and the level of heresy that might make marriage to the heretic comparable to intermarriage. It seems to me, at least, that the public nature of both any work done, either on Tisha B'Av, or, if necessary, during shiva, and of heretical conduct, is a critical factor.

Obviously, that also recalls the aspect of anger, and of considering one's actions. Actions that are perpetrated "in the heat of the moment" or under stress (financial, emotional, etc.) are to be differentiated from deliberate, planned and particularly, defiant, ones, a distinction that finds its clearest expression in the requirement for a warning and two witnesses for a transgressor to be found guilty of a particular act.