Samuel voyage of 30 Aug 1737..

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mama...@cs.com

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Apr 19, 2016, 9:06:48 PM4/19/16
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Crew and Jim Hartman,

Jim, welcome to the Ship Samuel group!   I see that Jim Woomer has answered you, but he never (I don't think!) told us that he has written a LARGE tome about the 1737 Ship Samuel
and his ancestors who were on that voyage !    I'm thinking 10 lashes with a wet noodle.  (I am the so-called Capt Re-Ret. of the Samuel).    Of course, the rest of the crew would love to
know what information, if any, Jim Woomer has on the Ship Samuel and that voyage.      

To the best of my knowledge, with one exception, there's never been any published information about the voyages of any of the British ships that brought German/Palatine immigrants
to America in the 1700s.  The journal of Gottlieb Mittelburger telling of his journey from Cowes, England, in 1750 is online:


                                                  http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/40-mit.html


The first URL has only a few brief paragraphs about the conditions on the ship (unnamed) itself.  The rest is about Pennsylvania. As is the second URL.  But, for
anyone interested in what living conditions were like in Pennsylvania in the 1750s, it probably makes for very interesting reading.  (No, I haven't read it!)   Strassburger
and Hinke (S & H) say Mittelburger was on the ship Osgood, arriving 29 Sep 1750.  Capt. Wiliam Wilkie.   

 Hmm, a Mathes SCHNEPP was on that ship.  And so was Johann Martin KAST who may have had something to do with my Christina KAST, who married Henry HALLER, in 1760.  Never have found her parents.

As for the Ship Samuel, we know it made a voyage to South Carolina in 1735.  It may have also gone there in 1734 and 1736, making 1737 its first voyage back to Philadelphia since
1733.   Captain Hugh Percy bought some land in South Carolina.   You might try doing a Google search on him also using spellings like PEARCY and PIERCY.  

Let us know how we can help.

Capt. Ski (Re-Ret.)




On Saturday, April 2, 2016 2:06 PM, Woomerj via Ship Samuel <ships...@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Jim,
            I have an ancestor, Johann-Bernard Wommer, who lived in Eitzweiler and came over from Germany and landed in Philly on 30 Aug 1737. The captian of the ship was Hugh Percy.
              I wrote a book that is 964 pages long and it is from 1737 to the present. I also went to Germany a few times to visit my relatives and they came here to visit us. 
              Need to know more my e mail is woo...@aol.com
                                            Jim Woomer
 
In a message dated 4/1/2016 7:57:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ships...@googlegroups.com writes:
Jim Hartman <iron...@gmail.com>: Apr 01 07:19AM -0700

Salette,
 
I believe my ancestor, Herman Hartman was on board The Samuel on that
trip. He was a Palatine German making way from Rotterdam - Cowes, then to
Philadelphia, PA in Aug.1737. Trying to find out as much about the trip,
voyage, etc as I can..
 
Sincerely
 
Jim
Jim Hartman
iron...@gmail.com
 
 
On Monday, August 25, 2014 at 3:55:55 PM UTC-4, Salette Ann Andrews wrote:
Jim Hartman <iron...@gmail.com>: Apr 01 06:54AM -0700

Hi,
 
I'm just getting into overseas research on my father's family line. Herman
Hartman, came to Philadelphia in Aug.1737 aboard the Samuel. The records
that I have show the ship leaving Rotterdam, making port in Cowes, then
crossing the Atlantic to Philadelphia?
 
I'm looking for ANY historical information regarding this voyage. I have
the ship manifest of passengers (among which was my ancestor) but little
else. Can you all help please? He was a Palatine German and I'm trying to
find out as much as I can about him and the voyage he took.
 
Sincerely,
 
Jim
 
Jim Hartman
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Jim Hartman

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Apr 20, 2016, 10:33:49 AM4/20/16
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Dear Capt. and Jim Woomer,

Thank you so much for your replies and the links. They have helped a lot.  I was mainly after what village (etc.) my ancestor was from and found his record in Kleinfischlingen Bavaria.  Jim Woomer - do you know anything of this area? Main interest here is parrish records or where I might be able to trace his line even further. I know Herman's parents were Christian and Anna Hartmann (note the two nn's) and have found his siblings. Now trying to locate marriage and birth records.

Capt. are there any pictures/portraits of the Ship Samuel or of Capt. Percy?

Thanks again!

Sincerely,

Jim

Bert Knupp

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Apr 20, 2016, 3:10:16 PM4/20/16
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Ahoy, Shipmates,

 

I’ve been watching this 1737 thread with a distant sort of interest. My old Johan Henrik KNOPP guy and his family were on the 1731 crossing. Aside from a transcription of the passenger manifest there are no extant records that I can find about that 1731 crossing, which might have been Capt. Percy’s first time to visit Philadelphia. We do find that the return trip home, in August 1731, had among its passengers Charles Wesley, the Methodist hymn composer (among other famed talents).

 

Carry on!

 

Bert Knupp in Music City USA

Chief Foghorn Tender

Formerly of Tillamook Bay

Marsha Ensminger

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Apr 26, 2016, 12:45:40 AM4/26/16
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Not the Cap'n, but...

I remember a discussion on an earlier version of this list, several years ago, which concluded there were no known pictures of the Samuel.  One of our more nautically informed crew should probably jump in here, but as I recall the discussion at the time, the Samuel was a variety of ship known as a "snow".  It is possible to find sketches of snows online.

As far as a portrait of Capt. Percy - don't think we've discussed this since I've been aboard.  If there is one, I would expect it to be somewhere in England.

Neither the Good Ship Samuel nor Captain Percy have Wikipedia articles, though I was intrigued to learn that several dukes of Northumberland were named Hugh Percy.

Marsha Ensminger


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mama...@cs.com

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May 2, 2016, 11:32:18 PM5/2/16
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Chief Foghorn Tender Bert,

I'm sure we probably discussed before that your KNOPP guy and my Casper Haulhausen/Holshouser were on the 1731 Samuel.    Where did you find the information that Charles
Wesley was on 1731 Samuel return trip?    What I found is that both John and Charles came to America (Georgia) on the ship Simmonds, arriving 6 Feb 1736.  No mention that
Charles had been to America before, but I didn't look at everything!         John Wesley did hop aboard the Samuel 22 Dec 1737  in Georgia and arrived back in England 1 Feb 1738.   

The Samuel arrived in Philadelphia 30 Aug 1737, so she made a fairly fast turn-around.  I'm thinking she took cargo and passengers to South Carolina, unloaded and then loaded up again
with cargo and passengers for England.       
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Jim Hartman,

If you plan to stay on board the Ship Samuel, you will have to come up with a "rank" (job) because we don't allow freeloaders.   Except for maybe Chief Bilge Rat Phil Knox (Bilgy)
who has kept the Samuel afloat since November 1971.   A job could be anything having to do with your real occupation, a hobby, or some position that would have
been on an 18th Century sailing ship. 

As for pictures of the Samuel or Captain Hugh Percy (also spelled Pearcy and Piercy), unfortunately, there was no social media in the 1730s.  No selfies of Capt. Percy or 
his crew.   If you Google "18th Century sailing ships called snow,"  you should be able to find a facsimile.  

You are way ahead of many of us if you already have some German records for your HARTMAN ancestor.  By the way, I just checked the passenger lists for the 1737 Samuel.
Herman Hartman's name is on only the A List.  Wonder why?  You are lucky that he was 24-years-old, so his name would be on the list.

I did find 2 things that might be of interest to the crew.  One is what I am sure is a mostly "made up" history of the EARLYWINE family that came to America on the 1731 Samuel.
The name was then spelled ERLEWYN.  The history begins with the trip from Wurttemberg to Rotterdam and continues on to after the family arrived in Philadelphia.  I'm sure
the first 5 or 6 paragraphs are "imaginary" because there's no mention of a family journal.  See:  http://tempgensite.tripod.com/earlywine_history.htm
There was a Daniel EARLYWINE who served in a 13th Virginia Company in the Revolutionary War with my ancestor, Caleb Hazel. Daniel could have been a descendant.

Another item is at:  http://sail.home.xs4all.nl/orange/ships1735.html  .   There are actual/factual quotes and reports from a paper and the Council Journal entry about the 1735
arrival of the Samuel and Capt. Hugh Percy arriving in South Carolina 13 July 1735.   Apparently, several passengers had smallpox and some of them died.   There are no records
of the Samuel going to Philadelphia in 1734, 1735, and 1736.

Capt.Ski (Re-Ret.)
 
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Ahoy, Shipmates,
 
I’ve been watching this 1737 thread with a distant sort of interest. My old Johan Henrik KNOPP guy and his family were on the 1731 crossing. Aside from a transcription of the passenger manifest there are no extant records that I can find about that 1731 crossing, which might have been Capt. Percy’s first time to visit Philadelphia. We do find that the return trip home, in August 1731, had among its passengers Charles Wesley, the Methodist hymn composer (among other famed talents).
 
Carry on!
 
Bert Knupp in Music City USA
Chief Foghorn Tender
Formerly of Tillamook Bay
 

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bert....@comcast.net

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May 3, 2016, 10:12:37 AM5/3/16
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Ahoy, Cap'n (ret'd),

I ran across the info that Charles Wesley had visited America in 1731, returning on the "Samuel," in a book in our church library that I happened upon. Of course, I was never again able to find the book, which was on the hymnody, not a biography per se. Anybody else have info on this?


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Thank you so much for your replies and the links. They have helped a lot.  I was mainly after what village (etc.) my ancestor was from and found his record in Kleinfischlingen Bavaria.  Jim Woomer - do you know anything of this area? Main interest here is parrish records or where I might be able to trace his line even further. I know Herman's parents were Christian and Anna Hartmann (note the two nn's) and have found his siblings.. Now trying to locate marriage and birth records.
 
Capt. are there any pictures/portraits of the Ship Samuel or of Capt.. Percy?
 
Thanks again!
 
Sincerely,
 
Jim
 

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