Most Ship Samuel ancestors?

[mama...@cs.com]

Crew,

Below are parts of two messages from a distant cousin of mine who connects on our KRESS, GOODNIGHT, and HOLSHOUSER lines to name a few.  As  you can see, Ken had ancestors on three different Ship Samuel voyages:  1731, 1732 and 1739.  He would like to know if anyone can match that.   Or, might any of you have had more than one ancestral line on any of the Samuel voyages?   Other than three of you who are still on board from our GEnie beginnings, I don't think that anyone on the current crew even had an ancestor on a Samuel voyage!

Cousin Ken asked about the actual number of voyages the Ship Samuel and Capt. Hugh Percy made to America.  Strassburger & Hinke list six to Philadelphia:  1731, 1732, 1733, 1737, 1739 and 1740.     There is proof of a 1735 voyage to South Carolina.  John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist church, sailed back to England on the Samuel 22 Dec 1737, from South Carolina.   Which makes it appear that the Samuel sailed down the coast to SC after dropping off Palatine passengers in Philly 30 Aug 1737.  Capt. Percy could have done that in other years, too.  I have info that Percy (also Pearch/Piercy) bought land in South Carolina. 

Cousin Ken had BOST/BAST ancestors.  I know that we had someone on the crew ages ago who had those ancestors.  And maybe also someone who had RUTSCHI/RITCHIE ancestors.    I'm pretty sure Ken's ancestors were in North Carolina. 

I haven't seen any messages from crew members for awhile.  I hope that my Yahoo Mail isn't messing with my semaphore signals!

Capt. Ski (Re-Ret.)

 

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From my cousin, Ken:

The main reason I’m writing is to let you know that I have found a third ancestor of mine who arrived on the ship “Samuel” with Hugh Percy as ship’s captain, Elias Meyer who arrived at the port of Philadelphia in the Pennsylvania Colony on 11 Aug 1732.  Interestingly, I descend from two of his daughters, one of whom married a Bast/Bost and the other who married a Rütschi/Ritchie. 

 

So the three ancestors of mine who arrive in Philadelphia aboard the “Samuel” with Hugh Percy as ship’s captain were: Caspar Holtzhauser/Casper Holshouser arrived on the “Samuel” on 17 Aug 1731, Elias Meyer on 11 Aug 1732, and Johann Michael Müller on 27 Aug 1739.

 

Out of curiosity, since you have been heavily involved in research on the passengers of the various sailings of the “Samuel” under ship’s captain Hugh Percy, what is the greatest number of ancestors who arrived on one of the various sailings of the “Samuel” for someone?

 

 As to my question about the ship “Samuel”, I was inquiring about how many different ancestors as different male ancestors of different surnames.  In my case I have three different surname male ancestor lines arriving on three different voyages of the “Samuel”.  That is what I was wondering about, i.e., what is the number for the sailing of different ancestral surname males all of whom sailed on one of the voyages of the “Samuel”.   Are there individuals who have more than three different male lines?

Also, the last voyage of the “Samuel” with which I am familiar occurred on 3 Dec 1740 when it arrived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Colony.  You had mentioned that there were others and even to South Carolina, as I recall.  Is there a listing of all of the voyages of the “Samuel”?

 

Ken

[Bert Knupp]

Ahoy, Dear Cap’n (ret’d),

 

I seem to recall that John Wesley had returned to England on the Samuel a few years earlier as well, possibly in late 1731 or early 1732.  Does anyone else have a ship’s passenger manifest showing him?  He visited America on several occasions, if I recall my church history, and might well have used the same agent to book passage for each crossing.

 

My RITCHIE guy shows up in Maryland.  Have to go pull the records; he’s a married-in but his daughter married a KNUPP in Maryland or Pennsylvania in the 1790s, as I recall.  

 

An old family Bible shows a FRIETZCHE/FRITCHIE in the same era but not related.  We assume.  He was hanged, drawn and quartered as a Loyalist sympathizer and spy in “Frederick-Town,” referred to in a contemporary account as “that damnable Dutchman.”

 

It’s been a helluvva summer for the Nashville Knupps.  Our oldest daughter suffered a stroke in Dallas following an unsuccessful surgical procedure; at the moment she’s in rehab but fully hemiplegic with no left-side function.  We spend a while there in June and will probably be traveling back soon.  I know some of the crew mates have kept apace on FaceBook.

 

Bert Knupp in Music City USA

Chief Foghorn Tender

Formerly of Tillamook Bay

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[DAVID SCHLIEDER]

CFT Bert and crew,

I don't recall the specific dates associated with John Wesley's visits to America. But, I do recall reading that he was concerned about proper administration of sacraments and proper ordination of pastors and bishops. (Keep in mind that....formerly...he was a priest in the Church of England. They were a very formal bunch and believed in following established protocols.) In the colonial period, the Methodist movement was spreading like wildfire in America. Hence, Wesley was motivated to come to the colonies to insure that things were done in a manner deemed to be proper.

Dave????

[Richard Musselman]

Guten morgen Kapt. Ski,

I have at least one confirmed ancestor arriving on the alt Samuel.......Christian Ruth & wife Susanna nee Schmeyer in 1737. I believe many of these ships bringing passengers may have returned to Europe after loading their hulls with rum, sugar, pig iron etc. from multiple east coast ports. It was not profitable to return empty. I do not know the manifest of the Samuel.

CAW Dick

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[Marsha Ensminger]

I wasn't part of the GEnie crew, but my husband's 5th great-grandfather, Hans Pedter Ensminger arrived on the 1733 voyage of the Samuel along with his wife Maria Catharina Trautmann and four surviving children and his sister Maria Catharina Ensminger and her husband Heinrich Peter.

Hans Pedter's other siblings arrived in Philadelphia on several early ships.

Catharina Margaretha Ensminger and husband Johann Peter Wolfersberger, 29 Aug 1730 aboard the "Thistle"

Elizabetha Ensminger and wife Peter Schmidt 17 Oct 1732 aboard the "John and William"

Hans Nicholalus Ensminger and wife Anna Margaretha Lutz, 28 Oct 1738 aboard the "Thistle".

Hans Heinrich Ensminger and wife Christina (--?--) 20 Nov 1741 aboard the "Europa"

David Ensminger and wife Mary Christine (--?--) 28 Aug 1750 aboard the "Phoenix"

(Research on the other five siblings by the late Raymond Martin Bell.)

*Marsha L. Ensminger

[Salette Ann Andrews]

My daughter descends from four families on the August 17, 1733 voyage: MAUCK (listed as MOCK), SNAPP, SCHEIB (listed as JIBE), and LEIDY (listed as LEYDAY). I believe there are a total of 19 passengers that are related to her. She is a direct descendent of Peter MAUCK, Johannes SNAPP, Barbara (nee DUTT) SNAPP, Lawrence SNAPP, Martin SCHEIB, Anna Catherine (mnu) SCHEIB, Martin SCHEIB Jr., Jacob LEIDY, and possibly Maria Magdalena LEIDY.

The Mauck family and the Snapp family united in Virginia three generations after the arrival; likewise with the Scheibs and the Leidys in Pennsylvania. I descend from the Scheibs and the Leidys and my daughter's father descends from the Maucks and the Snapps. He and I represent the ninth generation after arrival.

I would love to share with any cousins out there.

Salette Andrews

[dri...@xplornet.com]

Salette Ann Andrews and crew;

The RICHEY, RITCHIE, and other spellings came to Canada in the late 1700s and early 1800s. My husband's line is among them. That leads

to a thought about a missing RICHEY. John RICHEY left Ireland before

his father Nathan died in 1785. The father's will read that John would

receive his inheritance only if he returned to Ireland. John was a brother to William RICHEY, who was my husband's gr-gr-grandfather.

[I hope I counted that correctly]. Seeing  the RUTSCHI/RITCHIE

mention lead me to think of the possibility that John RICHEY found passage on the Good Ship Samuel on one of its sailings.

 

I leave that thought with you for now.

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[bert....@comcast.net]

There is a book of transcribed Passenger Registers of immigrant ships. Our "Samuel," a snow, was one of several "Pendler" that crossed nearly every year during the 1730s.  The "Pennsylvania Merchant" was another regular. 

Does anyone aboard own a copy?

Bert Knupp in Music City USA

Chief Foghorn Tender

Formerly of Tillamook Bay

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[mama...@cs.com]

CFT Bert,

Just getting around to replying to your message about a book of Passenger Registers.  I had to look for the meaning of the word "Pendler," which is supposedly "commuter."    If that is so, those were certainly long commutes back then, and they were all one-way!

Is there a name for this book?    Other than Strassburger and Hinke?    Or Rupp's book about 30,000 (??) immigrants, something like that?

Capt. Ski (Re-Ret.)

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[bert....@comcast.net]

Hi, Pat,

The German word "Pendler" is rooted in the Latin "pendulum" -- something that shuttles back and forth, I guess.  I've seen the Samuel and the other Palatine-haulers referred to that way.

About 15 years ago there was a guy -- Michael something -- I think he was British -- who had a database of passenger lists of every ship that had carried emigrants from Europe in the 18th century. He was a real curmudgeon, sarcastic and condescending, but answered lookup queries by email.  He was on USERNET as I recall.

Also had all the ship data...weights, drafts, measurements, etc.  His book of ships was also for sale

I was doing a lot of translating back then for genealogienetz.de and occasionally did docs that folks had gotten from him. 

I lost all info in a hard drive crash.

I know ... not much help. But the data exist someplace.

Bert

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[Salette Ann Andrews]

Okay, I'm pretty sure I found two more of my ancestors on the Aug. 29 1737 landing: Johann Adam DRUM and his father-in-law, Peter BIER.

Salette (Schive) Andrews

[Jim Hartman]

Salette,

I believe my ancestor, Herman Hartman was on board  The Samuel on that trip. He was a Palatine German making way from Rotterdam - Cowes, then to Philadelphia, PA in Aug.1737.  Trying to find out as much about the trip, voyage, etc as I can..

Sincerely

Jim

Jim Hartman

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[cwea...@yahoo.com]

I can also claim a distant relative whom arrived on the Ship Samuel under command of Hugh Percy.  Johannes Lang on 30 August 1737.  According to some family documents, Captain Percy helped to arrange his introduction to a girl named Anne, who was traveling to American with her family.  Captain Percy even helped arrange for their marriage, while at sea, by a Mennonite Pastor who was traveling aboard.  Good job, Captain. 

Chris

[mark.andr...@gmail.com]

This link is to the passenger lists for the 1739 voyage.  There is no Johann Michael Muller listed.  I found this link because my 6th great grandfather, Abraham Salmon - the first of my family to come to America - is on it.