discussion for Sunday
kal...@att.net
Mike
nothing.
In addition, to the group, thanks for the discussion tonight at the
sitting.
On Jun 25, 7:08 am, "kal...@att.net" <kal...@att.net> wrote:
> Dear group,
>
> This was part of the Shusho discussion this past weekend. The last
> line of a response to a case in the Blue Cliff Records. Think about
> it - what does it mean?
>
> "The sly hound of Han
> ran vainly up the stairway"
>
> Kalen
>
>
> kal...@att.net
kal...@att.net
Manfred Georg
I'll bring the blue cliff record, but I'm not sure it'll make much
of a difference.
This line occurs in Xuedou's verse for
case 43: Dongshan's No Cold or Heat
In the commentary by Yuanwu we find:
'"the hound of Han" comes out of _Essays_on_the_Warring_States_ where
it says, "He was a swift black dog belonging to the Han clan. The
rabbits in the mountains were clever; only he could catch these
rabbits."'
Manfred
> Ahhhh, maybe if you knew which bowls your spoon can go in you would
> understand "the sly hound of Han" Come join us Sunday!
Your spoon goes in the bowl with the dog food in it.
Allen, Scott G Civ USAF AMC 618 TACC/XOCM
Here is my guess. The hound is sly, crafty, too smart for his own good. Sees
the world through his intelligence. He is running up the stairway which
requires effort so there is some goal to be gained or he would not be
bothered. But if the hound is trying to run up the stairs by using intellect
alone, he will never get to the top. Like Zen.
Scott
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To: shinzo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Shinzo] discussion for Sunday
Dear group,
This was part of the Shusho discussion this past weekend. The last line of a
response to a case in the Blue Cliff Records. Think about it - what does it
mean?
"The sly hound of Han
ran vainly up the stairway"
Kalen
Shoshin
Top and bottom steps would look the same if there were any.
Shoshin
From: "Allen, Scott G Civ USAF AMC 618 TACC/XOCM" <Scott....@scott.af.mil>
To: shinzo...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:29:30 PM
Subject: [Shinzo] Re: discussion for Sunday
kal...@att.net
Michael Gysbers
Maybe we could look at this from another angle too...the ideal that following something (such as the 8 fold path, religious rules, etc) will ever get you anywhere is also a delusion. Our cultures tries to put things in a sequence, row or path...thinking that's the way to "achieve" something or get somewhere, but really we're only fooling ourselves and causing more confusion/distress.
A path implies time which implies the future. The future doesn't exist. Only now exists. So, wouldn't paths themselves be delusions?
Manfred Georg
You're very clever.
Manfred
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Michael Gysbers wrote:
> Nice!
>
> Maybe we could look at this from another angle too...the ideal that
> following something (such as the 8 fold path, religious rules, etc) will
> ever get you anywhere is also a delusion. Our cultures tries to put things
> in a sequence, row or path...thinking that's the way to "achieve" something
> or get somewhere, but really we're only fooling ourselves and causing more
> confusion/distress.
>
> A path implies time which implies the future. The future doesn't exist. Only
> now exists. So, wouldn't paths themselves be delusions?
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:25 AM, kal...@att.net <kal...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is delusion that stairs will get you anywhere! Top and bottom
>> steps are the same. It is why Zen priests clean the bathrooms!
>> kal...@att.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Shoshin wrote:
>>
>>
>> Top and bottom steps would look the same if there were any.
>>
>> Shoshin
>>
>> *From:* "Allen, Scott G Civ USAF AMC 618 TACC/XOCM" <
>> Scott....@scott.af.mil>
>> *To:* shinzo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:29:30 PM
>> *Subject:* [Shinzo] Re: discussion for Sunday