Pine Lake Graffiti

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Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 23, 2009, 2:38:03 PM11/23/09
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As most of you know, there are ongoing problems with graffiti at the pedestrian bridge for Pine Lake/the Rec Path. The latest rash seems to be the work of one or two people, and is much more extensive that in the past.  It all says “TOA” and “ion” (over and over and over), with “neg” or “negative” (as in “negative ion”?) and “we taken over”. Maybe just initials.  But after noting that TOA is consistently caps and ion is small letters, I did a quick search and found that “Tales of the Abyss”, a popular Playstation 2 game, is often abbreviated “ToA”, and “Ion” is a main character of that game. Who knows.

 

I removed everything I could from the bridge railings and granite post using 100% acetone (most of it was marker), graffiti remover, and elbow grease.  I think power tools may be necessary to get it all off. I then coated the railings with Thompson’s Deck Sealer to prevent new marker from being absorbed, and coated all the granite posts with a penetrating granite sealer.  

 

Here are some pictures:

http://picasaweb.google.com/sheltontrails/2009_11_23RecPathGraffiti?authkey=Gv1sRgCIiEmoyf45ecZw#

 

I highly recommend installing a deer cam on a pine overlooking the bridge.  Even if the camera doesn’t get any good pictures (a very high quality one should be able to), the deterrent effect may be what’s needed most. Kids don’t know if a camera can take good pictures or not. It’s 50 ft from the pine to the center of the bridge.  A fair number of kids use the bridge on their way home from the High School.

 

There is quite a bit of spray-paint graffiti under the bridge on the abutments and on the red gate house or whatever that building is. I recommend that all this graffiti be removed or covered over ASAP, since it encourages more graffiti.   It’s been there for a few months.  I am wondering if Conservation wants to hire a firm to remove it, or wants me to paint over it, or just leave it.  I spoke with Dean and he is in no rush to remove it.

 

The graffiti on the bridge abutments is touchy because any use of chemicals could cause dripping of toxic chemicals into the stream.

 

-Teresa

McCreery, Edward P.

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Nov 23, 2009, 3:47:03 PM11/23/09
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What they do...stand in the water to paint the abutment?  Good grief.   If parks & rec can't do it... I say hire someone and plant the camera.  We have to try to maintain what we have.  Dumb numbnuts. 


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Subject: SheltonCC Pine Lake Graffiti

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James W Tate

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Nov 23, 2009, 4:24:23 PM11/23/09
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I agree with Ed.. I think its good use of our funds. Lets get the deer cam or something similar so we can catch the little SOB’s and then  have them clean up everything!!!

Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 24, 2009, 9:29:19 AM11/24/09
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I’m going to try a poultice on the remaining ink that’s on the granite post. For some reason the graffiti on our post bothered me more than all the other graffiti.

 


Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:09:23 AM11/24/09
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The Town of Monroe installed Reconyx RC55 camera’s with additional security boxes at Web Mtn Discovery Zone after some major vandalism.  I spoke with Tom Elboggin, Chairman of the Conservation Commission about it and these were done by a friend who is in the security camera business. Note that was a year or two ago, so there might be newer models available.  Here is a good page of deer cams that can be used for security purposes.  The one Monroe uses is the 3rd one listed. The security box can be another $150 and then you need batteries (I would use Lithium batteries to avoid constantly having to put new ones in) and a good size memory card.

 

http://www.trailcampro.com/securitycameras-2.aspx

 

One option is to put a camera on either side of the bridge (there are good tall pine trees for this). That would do a much better job of covering the bridge (kids can otherwise just lean over facing away from the camera to do their marker graffiti). Also, the far end of the bridge would be a stretch for a camera.

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Tom Harbinson - Personal

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:42:51 AM11/24/09
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Lets move quick on this item.  Eliminating graffiti promptly takes away the reward from the perpetrator.  It disgusts me to see graffiti at the school campus simply accepted as "so what".  City also looks blindly to similar effects at Riverwalk, but I won't accept that non-chalant attitude on our trail amenities.
 
At our CC mtg next week, lets hear Teresa's proposal on model and price after comparison of options, and what Monroe has had success with in terms of process or how they used them.  We have money in various line items that on their own, or in combination, can amply supply funds for 2 cameras, but I would suggest thinking about 4 as I think about the Eklund Garden and ability to have a spare one due to damage of others or need to mobile dispatch to a one-off location.  Whatever qty level keeps us under the BoA&T purchasing nonsense that would delay this months further.
 
I'd also not be to public about them (he said to any public reading this) as they generate controversy over privacy (which is a crock in my opinion).  Seymour and Derby have had issues with how, where, and even if to use cameras over those types of issues.  I don't need to see that type of discussion bog this down.
 
I'd like to see cameras up by mid Dec.

Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:50:49 AM11/24/09
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I just took a drive to the Pine Lake bridge and this time brought a cordless drill with a special attachment we’ve never used and was able to remove a few spots on the railings that I previously couldn’t remove.  The drill worked well, I only wish I had it earlier, it would have saved me a lot of scrubbing. I recoated those spots with deck sealer (the entire railing was all beaded up when I arrived).  

 

I was going to try a poultice on the granite post, but it was wet to the touch, so I will try again some day after it dries out.

 

I also did a little testing on the gatehouse with some antigraffiti spray I picked up.  The old brick is extremely porous and all the spray solvent was immediately sucked in and disappeared. I kept spraying it back on and it kept disappearing. After a few minutes I scrubbed and only a tiny bit of the paint came off. The paint looks like it was absorbed into the brick as well.  Graffiti removal can be very destructive to bricks, especially old weathered brickwork (they are only hard-fired on the outside and are rather soft inside).  I think the best option may be to paint over the gatehouse with brick red paint (which is what they do with the Hope Lake gatehouse).  Painting the building would actually provide some protection from the weather for the bricks.  With my recent experience house painting I could pick up some paint at Home Depot and have it painted over very quickly if the weather cooperates.

 


James W Tate

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:56:00 AM11/24/09
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I agree with Tom… lets move on it.  I think we can try 2 cameras as see how it goes.  Lets install these cameras with some secrecy , somewhat hidden so as not to be their own target!!  

 

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Lets move quick on this item.  Eliminating graffiti promptly takes away the reward from the perpetrator.  It disgusts me to see graffiti at the school campus simply accepted as "so what".  City also looks blindly to similar effects at Riverwalk, but I won't accept that non-chalant attitude on our trail amenities.

 

At our CC mtg next week, lets hear Teresa's proposal on model and price after comparison of options, and what Monroe has had success with in terms of process or how they used them.  We have money in various line items that on their own, or in combination, can amply supply funds for 2 cameras, but I would suggest thinking about 4 as I think about the Eklund Garden and ability to have a spare one due to damage of others or need to mobile dispatch to a one-off location.  Whatever qty level keeps us under the BoA&T purchasing nonsense that would delay this months further.

 

I'd also not be to public about them (he said to any public reading this) as they generate controversy over privacy (which is a crock in my opinion).  Seymour and Derby have had issues with how, where, and even if to use cameras over those types of issues.  I don't need to see that type of discussion bog this down.

 

I'd like to see cameras up by mid Dec.

Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:18:36 PM11/24/09
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That’s what the bear cage is for…with a padlock.  The ones at Monroe are very visible and have survived for a couple years now.  I think what we really want is the deterrent value rather than the ability to identify culprits after the fact.  These will be underaged kids most likely, and the courts have a tendency to throw out the case. One camera on either side of the bridge pointing towards the other camera will catch anyone attempting to fiddle with the cameras.

McCreery, Edward P.

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:47:42 PM11/24/09
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Ha - its not the kids you're after  - but rather the parents who would be forced to pay for the clean up.  I realize a lot of parents today seem to defend the improper actions of their children rather than punish them, but if they have to pay a buck for what they did, I suspect it will come out of their hides one way or another. 


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Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:52:31 PM11/24/09
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<but rather the parents who would be forced to pay for the clean up.>

 

Absolutely, but keep in mind that enforcement can be elusive.  Even if caught and convicted, the parents may turn out to be poor and have no resources to pay for the clean up.

 


Bill Dyer

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:43:19 PM11/24/09
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Painting the red building seems like creating a clean canvas for a new generation of graffiti artists. I can live with that building but not the bridge and abutments, and especially the pillar. 

Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:10:05 AM11/25/09
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<Painting the red building seems like creating a clean canvas for a new generation of graffiti artists>

 

A wall without graffiti just invites graffiti?

 


McCreery, Edward P.

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:36:55 AM11/25/09
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We should also consider in investing in a few gallons of graffiti resistant paint:
 


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Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:48:21 AM11/25/09
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The company that Swenson’s Granite referred me to recommended a similar system for the granite posts called “Graffiti Block” and a cleaner to remove any graffiti over the proprietary block.  At the time I just wanted something I could buy quickly and locally (hazmat shipping is expensive) and found a penetrating granite sealer at Home Depot, and which wouldn’t change the appearance of the granite. I do like the idea of a block, however.

Tom Harbinson - Personal

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Nov 25, 2009, 10:53:13 AM11/25/09
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The "proper" way of addressing this would be for the City to have contracted with a cleaning services company that is on call for a set per diem price.  Graffiti reported, and company is called and graffiti removed within a mandated/contracted time from incident call-in.  Between steel, concrete, brick, granite, bldg facades, signs, etc = you can't rely on volunteers or p/t staff people to keep your City assets clean from vandals.  It's just boggles my mind how the City operates on certain things.  I won't even touch the training and OSHA rules and Mat Safety Data Sheets that should be in place when you start getting into the products needed to adequately address this. 
 
Shifting from reaction to prevention: you will never block activity of vandals.  Sharpie marker, spray paint, scratching, etc = its all about leaving a mark or "tag" that they can see later.  Remove it quickly, and they give up.  That's what Guiliani did for the NYC subways, and the urban "art" is no more.  If Shelton is to remove graffiti and vandal marks quickly, it can't rely on it's own staff that works a 4day work week.  Outsource it.
 
All that said - It's my personal observation that current mgmt just looks the other way unless it gets really offensive.  I can not accept that attitude on our trails amenities, and endorse what seems to be coming together on this case (cleaning up, deer cams, paint over) so we can illustrate that it won't be tolerated.  Maybe it will inspire others to take a more progressive approach.
 
As far as I'm concerned with open space areas:
If you tag our signs and bollards, it will be erased promptly.
If trail and open space amenities are repetitively vandalized, we will try and catch you in the act.
If we catch you in the act, you will have consequences.

Teresa Gallagher

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Nov 25, 2009, 11:06:30 AM11/25/09
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Ha, that’s true, there is the OSHA Hazard Communications training that is required for use of any chemicals.  I used to be a certified hazardous materials manager and gave the training at Ansonia Copper, so I should think I’d be all set on that one, but that would not be true of other employees.

 


Tom Harbinson - Personal

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Nov 25, 2009, 12:05:10 PM11/25/09
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Hey, I just re-upped my forklift training, so if OSHA comes calling - I'm good to go on that.  Also equipped for MSDS and OSHA 300 logs, etc.  I just got a lesson in the nuances of OSHA, unfortunately.  That said, it was first visit since we started operating 30yrs ago - and relatively painless.
 
My point was: holistic city-wide solution would be more appropriate, but for now - lets get er done.

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