Shillaker & Shellaker One-Name Study
Nicholas Shillaker
My sister and I have been researching the Shillaker family for many years and we have concluded that it is likely that the two branches of our family, which we call the "Rutland Branch" and the "Deeping Branch", are ultimately descended from Leicestershire Shellakers, but we are having difficulty establishing a connection.
I have started a Shillaker One-Name Study with the Guild of One-Name Studies, with Shillaker as the principal name and Shellaker as a variant. In hindsight, I suppose I should have done this the other way round, but I reckoned that because there are about 150 contemporary Shillakers worldwide and probably less that 10 Shellakers, that was appropriate. Update me if there are more Shellakers than we thought.
You are all welcome to take a look at our web site:
http://shillaker.org
and our page of the One-name Studies site:
http://one-name.org/profiles/shillaker.html
You will see that I am developing a database of all information relating to both Shillakers and Shellakers. Some of this is already on the shillaker.org web site. Much more will be posted on a private web site, which of course any of you are welcome to join: use the Join Us page of shillaker.org.
I look forward to collaborating with you. It would be really interesting to discover more about how we are connected.
Best wishes
Colin
On May 23, 8:42 pm, Nicholas Shillaker <nicho...@shillaker.org> wrote:
> I'm so pleased to find some contemporary Shellakers at last!
"Shillaker" but you haven't found any Shellakers, sadly.
We, on this list, all descend from the Tugby Shellakers via Polly (of
whom you have seen a photo on the Shellaker Twitter profile) so none
of us actually preserve the name - only the Shellaker spirit :-)
My Great Grandmother "Polly" (Mary Jane) was the last Shellaker in our
line, her Father being "Richard 5th" (1830-1904) counting the 1616
Richard as "Richard 1st". Of Polly's twelve siblings only two of the
boys survived to potentially carry on the name. However, all six of
their children were girls and so, as far as I am aware, this branch of
the Shellaker line came to an end with either the last marriage or the
last death of those six daughters, presumably in the 1940s or 1950s.
> My sister and I have been researching the Shillaker family for many years
> and we have concluded that it is likely that the two branches of our family,
> which we call the "Rutland Branch" and the "Deeping Branch", are ultimately
> descended from Leicestershire Shellakers, but we are having difficulty
> establishing a connection.
whom you know you are related?
Do you know where you fit in to the Rutland branch? I don't really
show many of the side shoots on the current version of the family tree
as it's pretty dense already but I have got tentative plans to include
more on a future version.
> I have started a Shillaker One-Name Study with the Guild of One-Name
> Studies, with Shillaker as the principal name and Shellaker as a variant.
> In hindsight, I suppose I should have done this the other way round, but I
> reckoned that because there are about 150 contemporary Shillakers worldwide
> and probably less that 10 Shellakers, that was appropriate. Update me if
> there are more Shellakers than we thought.
intuitively I'd say those figures feel quite believable.
It is indeed, fortunately for researchers, quite rare.
> You are all welcome to take a look at our web site:http://shillaker.org
> and our page of the One-name Studies site:http://one-name.org/profiles/shillaker.html
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8655501/family/working_docs/shellaker-tree.pdf
and let me know if it's of any help to you or if you have any
questions or suggestions regarding its accuracy and completeness.
I've tried to cram as much information onto it as possible which
keeping it clear and readable but I'm always open to suggestions for
improvement (I know at the very least there are some typos which need
correcting).
> You will see that I am developing a database of all information relating to
> both Shillakers and Shellakers. Some of this is already on the
> shillaker.org web site. Much more will be posted on a private web site,
> which of course any of you are welcome to join: use the Join Us page of
> shillaker.org.
Meanwhile, you may be able to help with a curious question which often
has me wondering:
How do you pronounce your name and do think that you say it the same
way as your Father?
Do you stress the first syllable as "SHILL-ah-ker" or the second as
"shill-AY-ker" ?
All the best,
Colin.
Nicholas Shillaker
First, I'm glad you still use a "proper" bulletin board. You have
already seen my views on Twitter and the other ephemera: to adapt a
line from "At Last The 1948 Show", in my young day, we 'ad t' punch
'oles in't cards wi't tongue.
My earliest known ancestor is Thomas Shillaker (1761-1837) of
Stamford. He is the patriarch of our "Deeping Branch". The "Rutland
Branch" patriarch is John Shillaker, b. 1772, Ridlington. The
spelling of the name around then was variable, as you know, so these
two almost certainly have a Shellaker as a common ancestor.
I've had a look at your on-line family tree. It's certainly
informative. What software did you use to put in all those
annotations?
My initial attention was drawn to the infamous Cable family. I see
you have comprehensively exposed the wicked Francis, whose antics I
have been aware of for a while. Last year I put him speculatively on
an Ancestry tree, and within days I was contacted by Sally Miller, a
granddaughter of May Brown, who told me that I had confirmed her
family anecdotes.
These are my early observations:
You have married Francis Cable's father Henry Isaac to Sarah Husband
(1818-88), she having first married Collinson. I have Henry married
three times: [1] Charlotte Richardson, Bermondsey, 1835, she died
1856; [2] Sarah Margaret Brown, Westminster, 1856; [3] Esther Howard,
Southwark, 1877. The 51, 61 and 81 censuses stack up with these
marriages, but the family is missing from 71. If Sarah Margaret Brown
is your Sarah Husband, I don't have an in-between marriage of her to a
Brown. Furthermore, Collinson is in 51C with his children, declared
married but wife absent, and in 61C as a widower, with no extra
children. This would suggest that Sarah died long before 1861. I
doubt his mother's funds would have been sufficient to divorce her. I
also can't imagine Sarah being a bigamist, unless she started a
trend. Annoyingly I can't find the parish register for the 1856
marriage (in London you usually can) to see whether the parties were
widowed, etc.
I see your question mark against Feltham, Catherine Sarah Bath's first
husband. I'm fairly sure it was William Feltham (1837-78), son of
John and Ann, of Chelsea. He and Catherine are in 71C in Battersea,
and had five children 63-72.
My grandfather always said "shill-AY-ker". I use this too, but accept
others saying "SHILL-aker". But I will always correct anyone who says
the awful "shill-ACK-er".
Best wishes
Nicholas
Colin
On May 25, 6:30 pm, Nicholas Shillaker <nicho...@shillaker.org> wrote:
> Hello Colin, it's good to get in touch.
delineate our genes.
> First, I'm glad you still use a "proper" bulletin board.
If the world hadn't been taken over by clumsy bloated web browsers
running on clumsy bloated GUIs then people might have actually had the
chance to learn and understand 'how computers actually work' by
communicating over Usenet and IRC, etc. (where some of us can yet be
found) but instead the opportunity for understanding has been lost and
everyone mindlessly turns on their computer like starting a car with
no concept of the workings or consequences.
</RANT-MODE>
> You have
> already seen my views on Twitter
only, it has the nostalgic directness of both Usenet and IRC, the
immediacy of SMS, plus the benefit of global tracking of keywords.
However, that one new positive feature is already suggesting its
eventual downfall as it encourages huge quantities of automated spam.
If you track any newly 'trending' subject for more than half an hour
then you'll soon see it overwhelmed by URLs to porno-spam web sites -
very tedious if you're trying to indulge in creative discussions
regarding the latest Doctor Who episode.
> and the other ephemera: to adapt a
> line from "At Last The 1948 Show", in my young day, we 'ad t' punch
> 'oles in't cards wi't tongue.
5AM and warm t' valves wi' candle for two hours. But we were 'appy.
So, anyway...
> My earliest known ancestor is Thomas Shillaker (1761-1837) of
> Stamford. He is the patriarch of our "Deeping Branch". The "Rutland
> Branch" patriarch is John Shillaker, b. 1772, Ridlington. The
> spelling of the name around then was variable, as you know, so these
> two almost certainly have a Shellaker as a common ancestor.
back to 'Richard the First' (~1616).
My guess would be that our MRCA is someone around generation 4 or
possibly even 5.
As a piece of wild speculation how about this:
Names, like 'Thomas', are often carried on down the generations.
Some blokes have an irritating habit of naming their first born boy
after themselves.
Perhaps your Thomas is an 'unrecorded' first son of Thomas-who-married-
Mary-Green-in-1762?
Yes, I know that's a year *after* he was born.
Add to this the curiosity that Mary Green was apparently not baptised
until a full two years after she was married and we probably have
something worth investigation...?
> I've had a look at your on-line family tree. It's certainly
> informative. What software did you use to put in all those
> annotations?
In case you haven't realised it yet the whole thing is hand crafted
(in Open Office as it happens).
I've experimented with various family tree generating software and
have yet to find any sufficiently flexible or adaptable to 'the real
world' complexities of uncertainty and with the potential for adequate
visual clarity. It's basically an elastic blackboard which should be
sufficient for almost any kind complex diagram :-)
> My initial attention was drawn to the infamous Cable family. I see
> you have comprehensively exposed the wicked Francis,
bugging me for as long as I can remember so I decided to sit down and
do the number crunching one day. I was actually quite delighted when
I found myself sharing their secret (i.e. that *both* he *and* CSF had
lied about their ages at the same time :-)
> whose antics I
> have been aware of for a while. Last year I put him speculatively on
> an Ancestry tree, and within days I was contacted by Sally Miller, a
> granddaughter of May Brown, who told me that I had confirmed her
> family anecdotes.
interest in my Great Aunty May being as she and my Grandmother were
very close and I'm certain kept no secrets from one another. When I
think of her, so many questions come to mind - not just the obvious
'big dark secret' to which the true answer may already be lost but all
sorts of little everyday things. I don't even know her exact birthday!
It would be lovely to make contact with a direct descendant of hers.
>
> These are my early observations:
>
> You have married Francis Cable's father Henry Isaac to Sarah Husband
> (1818-88), she having first married Collinson. I have Henry married
> three times: [1] Charlotte Richardson, Bermondsey, 1835, she died
> 1856; [2] Sarah Margaret Brown, Westminster, 1856; [3] Esther Howard,
> Southwark, 1877. The 51, 61 and 81 censuses stack up with these
> marriages, but the family is missing from 71. If Sarah Margaret Brown
> is your Sarah Husband, I don't have an in-between marriage of her to a
> Brown. Furthermore, Collinson is in 51C with his children, declared
> married but wife absent, and in 61C as a widower, with no extra
> children. This would suggest that Sarah died long before 1861. I
> doubt his mother's funds would have been sufficient to divorce her. I
> also can't imagine Sarah being a bigamist, unless she started a
> trend. Annoyingly I can't find the parish register for the 1856
> marriage (in London you usually can) to see whether the parties were
> widowed, etc.
clan was something I stumbled upon online (posted by someone
identified only as 'Vanessa') a few months ago. While not being
particularly convinced by it I had no better guesses at the time so I
included it speculatively (in a different colour to make it obvious)
intending to verify it at a later date.
I submit entirely to your superior research and have thus pruned and
substituted accordingly.
Please download the new version from here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8655501/family/working_docs/tree-shellaker-20110607.pdf
I like the idea that Great Great Granny was a Brown as this,
obviously, is a far better reason for why naughty Francis chose the
name (when it suited him) than the one which has been passed down. I
am almost certain that even my Grandmother didn't know that her Dad's
Mother was a Brown.
Do you agree with my re-positioning of brothers Henry ("Harry") and
Edgar (or even Edgar's existence)?
> I see your question mark against Feltham, Catherine Sarah Bath's first
> husband. I'm fairly sure it was William Feltham (1837-78), son of
> John and Ann, of Chelsea. He and Catherine are in 71C in Battersea,
> and had five children 63-72.
> My grandfather always said "shill-AY-ker". I use this too, but accept
> others saying "SHILL-aker". But I will always correct anyone who says
> the awful "shill-ACK-er".
extrapolation Polly) also stressed the middle syllable. This adds a
little weight to my personal preference for an origin relating to
'ACRES of land'.
For what it's worth the idea that Shellaker derives from 'one who uses
shellac' strikes me as highly contrived and unlikely. Although the use
of shellac dates from antiquity the OED cites the first written
occurrence of the word in 1713 whereas for example the word 'varnish'
has far more and far earlier usage.
Regards,
Colin.
Nicholas Shillaker
I'm glad you have faith in my analysis of Henry Feltham's marriages. I have been corresponding with Patrick Feltham, a great-great-grandson of William Feltham, and Maureen Barrett, a great-great-grand-niece of Esther, Henry's third wife. They appear to concur with this, but I doubt whether Maureen's analysis is thorough, because her on-line tree is totally without supporting records or citations.
I am happy with Edgar, but I don't have a Henry "Harry" Cable (1862). Where did you find him?
I see you have added a few Ridlington and Horninghold people.
John Shellaker (1770-1855) of Ridlington, married to Ann Reeves, is my main candidate for a Shellaker/Shillaker crossover. I have them in the record flow, as follows:
Children:
14 May 1797, Glaston, Rutland:
Mary SHILLACRE
Father: John SHILLACRE
Mother: Ann Reeves
(No further trace of her)
5 May 1799, Glaston, Rutland:
Elizabeth SHILLACRE
Father: John SHILLACRE
Mother: Ann Reeves
Thomas SHILACRE
7 Jun 1801, Glaston, Rutland:
Father: John SHILACRE
Mother: Ann Reeves
23 Oct 1803, Glaston, Rutland:
Ann SHILLACRE
Father: John SHILLACRE
Mother: Ann Reeves
11 May 1806, Glaston, Rutland:
John SHILLACRE
Father: John SHILLACRE
Mother: Ann Reves
Nov 1808, Glaston, Rutland:
Sarah SHILLACRE
Father: John SHILLACRE
Mother: Ann
(No further trace of her)
[England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,
batch number C15011-1, film number 1234419]
1841C Hambleton, Rutland, District 20, 896/3/5/4
SHILLAKER, John, 70, ag lab, Y
SHILLAKER, Ann, 70, Y
Death Index 1841/12
SHILLAKER, Ann, Oakham, xv442
1851C Hambleton, Rutland, District 18, 2092/218/18
SHILLAKER, John, Head, W, 81, annuitant (overwritten Pauper), Ridlington
Death Index, 1855/9
SHELLAKER, John, Oakham, 7a127
He can be forgiven for the two year difference in his birth date.
These marriages are interesting and may support a connection:
23 Oct 1823, Uppingham, Rutland
James Ellingworth to Martha Terrell
Witnesses Willm. Avis and Jane SHELLAKER
[England Marriages, 1538–1973,
batch number I03103-9, film number 1999595, reg. p40 n121]
30 Dec 1823, Preston, Rutland
Elizabeth SHILLAKER to John Ellingworth
[England Marriages, 1538–1973,
batch number M15022-2, film number 95249]
The only Jane of that generation I have is a daughter of Richard Shellaker and Elizabeth Claypole, who would be Elizabeth's second cousin. If you have any other Janes it would be worthwhile investigating this connection.
I agree that my patriarch Thomas would fit very snugly into Thomas and Mary Green's family as the expected eldest son. If this is so, I feel it's more likely that Mary Green was his second wife. How thorough is your analysis of the Leciestershire marriage registers? I know lots of them are on spreadsheets you can get from the Leicestershire Parish Records blog site, but could any of them be missing? I'm not sure how much of Rutland is included in their lists.
I also have an "orphan" Thomas of that generation who looks as if he had a father Thomas, and who was for a while a crossover candidate:
3 Sep 1786, St Andrew, Collyweston
Thomas SHILLACRE, bachelor, to Elizabeth Glithers or Glithero or Clithero, spinster
Witnesses: Thomas SHILLACRE and Willm Osborne
[FreeReg, file number 1627]
I think he had a daughter Mary:
21 Oct 1792, St Andrew, Collyweston
Father Thomas SHILACRE, mother Elizth.
[FreeReg, file number 1619, also IGI, member-submitted]
I have traced this Mary:
30 Jul 1810, Ridlington, Rutland
Mary SHILLAKER to John Blasby
[England Marriages, 1538–1973,
batch number M15023-1, film number 1234420]
Birth and marriage supported by by this census:
1851C Cottesmore, Rutland, District 6a, 2092/70/24
BLAISBY, John, head, M, 64, ag lab, Liddington
BLAISBY, Mary, wife, M, 59, Colly Weston
BLAISBY, Emily, daur, U, 16, at home, Cottesmore
In conclusion, this Thomas does not fit in with "my" Thomas, who was married on 28 November 1792, (and declared a bachelor in the register), only five weeks after the birth of Mary, and whose first baptized child was born March 1793, only five months after Mary. So he sadly remains an orphan, and I would appreciate any help tracing his origins.
As regards the name origin, I have a page on the One-Name Study web site, check it here. I will update it to incorporate your view based on the OED entry.
Best wishes
Nicholas
Nic Frost
An Edgar Cabel was Baptised at St Peters Walworth the same day as a Francis Cabel, date 2 Sep 1860. Parents Henry Isaac & Sarah Cabel, of 7 Henry Place, Camberwell. A Harry Cable was baptised at Christ Church Camberwell, date 2 Aug 1863 to parents Henry Isaac & Sarah Cable. The address is a bit indistinct.
Nicholas Shillaker
That birth certificate is very useful, it supports my suspicion that the "Sarah Margaret Brown" who married Henry in 1856 was really called Husband. I also think that she abandoned Collinson, who is declared married, with 3 children, but without her, in 1851, and seems to have lived until 1878. If this were true, it would be reasonable for her to start a family tradition of remarrying using the name Brown.
The address at Harry's baptism is probably Caroline Street (now called Sandgate Street), less than a mile away from Henry Place.
Nicholas
Nic Frost
Just thought I'd let you know have just found the 1871 Census return for Henry Isaac Cable's Family. The family name to look for is Calbe. I found it by searching for a 1871 census returns for the Camberwell area for a family comprising father Henry Isaac, mother Sarah with children Francis and Henry and omitted the surname. Have made the necessary Ancestry.co.uk corrections.
On Monday, 23 May 2011 20:42:43 UTC+1, Nicholas Shillaker wrote:
Nicholas Shillaker
Excellent. I see Edgar is on there too, badly transcribed, so I have corrected his Christian name. He is interesting because although his baptism states his parents as Henry and Sarah, he was born on 11 May 1855, when Henry's first wife Charlotte was still alive. Do you think this was a clerical error?
Nicholas
Nic Frost
Colin
So, "Sarah Margaret Brown" = "Sarah Husband" after all - great - so that branch with all the "Husband"s and "Farmey"s that I used to include in the tree can now go back in :-)
Colin.
Mister Russ
Colin.
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Hi All
I’m the grandson of John Shellaker, was one of Polly Shellaker’s two brothers (Polly is Frank Brown /Cable wife – or one of them!).
FRANK CABLE (aka FRANK BROWN)
I’ve added some random chronological ‘Cable stuff’ to this thread as it might help someone to fit this jigsaw together - forgive me if much of this is already known I am trying to construct the definitive picture. Please feel free to amend and correct where necessary as some of this is not my own validated research. I’ve not added the information from Shellaker thread of the last few days – please insert where relvant.
1815
Henry Isaac Cable-baptised 26 FEB 1815 Saint Saviour, Southwark, Surrey, England. His father - John Cable. His mother - Ann Maria
1818
A sister to Henry Isaac baptised in 1818. Mary Elizabeth Cable- 20th Feb 1818
Sarah Hubbard (Frank’s mother) born 16th June in Soho, London. Parents John Husband born 1788 in Ripon, Yorkshire and Mary Farmery, born 29th Jan 1780 in Baldersby, Yorkshire, England
1837
Sarah Hubbard married John Collinson (b 1811) on 11th September 1837 in St Pancras, with whom she has at least five children born between and 1838 and 1848
1840
Frank’s future first wife, Catherine Sarah Frederick Feltham was born on 13th June 1840 as Catherine Sarah Frederick Bath. The birth is recorded at St John, Westminster. Middlesex. When she was born, her father was 39 years old, her mother 37 years.
1851
Census – Frank’s Father Henry J Cable recorded on 1851 as living with wife Charlotte and family at 21, Church Street, Rotherhithe, Surrey in the borough of Southwark
Name | Relation | Condition | Sex | Age | Birth Year | Occup | Where born |
Cable, Henry J | Head | Married | M | 36 | 1815 | Plumber | Rotherhithe, Surrey |
Cable, Charlotte | Wife | Married | F | 37 | 1814 |
| Barkham, Surrey |
Cable, Clara | Daughter |
| F | 15 | 1836 | Scholar | Rotherhithe, Surrey |
Cable, Edwin | Son |
| M | 12 | 1839 | Scholar | Rotherhithe, Surrey |
Cable, Charlotte | Daughter |
| F | ? |
|
| Rotherhithe, Surrey |
Cable, Waller | Son |
| M | 6 | 1845 |
| Rotherhithe, Surrey |
Cable, Julia | Daughter |
| F | 4 | 1847 |
| Rotherhithe, Surrey |
Cable, Samuel J | Son |
| M | 0 (5 mos) | 1851 |
| Rotherhithe, Surrey |
1860
Frank Cable born, on 21 July 1860 at 7,Henry Place, Neate Street, Camberwell, (now Peckham ),Surrey
Father: Henry Isaac Cable
Mother: Sarah Cable (née Collinson) (Hubbard)
Francis Cable’s parents may not have been legally married. Sarah Collinson married a John Collinson in 1837 but she left him in the early 1850's. It is not known why Sarah left her husband but it is believed by a descendant of Sarah Collinson that the husband, John Collinson was quite a violent man, which could explain why she left the family and set up with a house painter and decorator by the name of Henry Isaac Cable.*
[* This information came from an online thread I picked up a few years ago by someone called Alex Collinson but unfortunately now returns an 404. Alex was trying to discover information about Francis Cable. Intriguingly Alex was asking question about Francis Cable, as he had ‘disappeared’ around 1890. Alex was speculating if he had died or emigrated as ‘no trace of him can be found”!
Regrettably I’ve never be able to get in touch with Alex Collinson. It is ironic that the lineage of a man called Francis Cable can be traced UP TO c.1890 and up until a few years ago, a man called Francis Brown did not have a lineage that could be traced BACK BEFORE c.1890. What was a dead-end in Alex’s story, is the start of Frank’s part in our ‘Shellaker Story’.
1861
Census
Frank is still at the same address the following year 1861 Census - 8th April 1861, living with his parents and two brothers but his father, Henry J Cable has a different wife (Frank’s mother) and family from the 1851 Census. Charlotte replaced by Sarah. Although his son Samuel J Cable is still with him..
Name | Relation | Condition | Sex | Age | Birth Year | Occupation
| Where Born
|
CABLE, Henry CABLE, Sarah CABLE, Samuel J CABLE, Edgar CABLE, Francis | Head Wife Son Son Son | Married Married
| M F M M M | 46 42 10 5 8 months | 1815 1819 1851 1856 1860 | Plumber & Painter
Scholar | Southwark St James, Hanover Square. Rotherhithe Rotherhithe Camberwell, Surrey. |
1861
Census - 14, Chester Villa, Thistle Grove, Kensington. Not sure if this is ‘the Catherine’.
HUTCHINSON, Mary C | Head | Widow | F | 43 | 1818 | Fundholder | Prince of Wales Island |
HUTCHINSON, Stepney | Son | Unmarried | M | 19 | 1842 | Solicitors Clerk | Clifton |
HUTCHINSON, Mary George | Daughter | Unmarried | F | 17 | 1844 | Southwark | |
BATH, Catherine | Servant | Unmarried | F | 21 | 1840 | General Servant | Chelsea |
1871
Census - April 2nd - Samuel J Cable - Frank’s Brother, now aged 21 is recorded as being one of three lodgers in the house of Richard Roach at Neate Street, St Giles Camberwell (House number not recorded but very near the original family home).
11 people in the house in total the other 8 being family members of Richard Roach.
1878
William Feltham died on 9th January 1878 at the age of 41 whilst residing at 7 North Hatcham*, England, leaving Catherine a widow, which was her status when she married Frank Cable around two and a half years later in August 1880.
[*Hatcham was the former name of New Cross in the London Borough of Lewisham, 4 miles south east of Charing Cross. New Cross is near St John's, New Cross Gate, Telegraph Hill, Nunhead, Peckham, Brockley, Deptford and Greenwich.]
1880
Frank Cable married Catherine Sarah Frederick Feltham at St. Mary Magdalene Church, Peckham, Surrey.
The original parish church of St. Mary Magdalene, Peckham, was built in 1841 but it was destroyed by bombing on 21st September 1941 but I have a picture of the 1841 church.
At the time of his wedding Frank’s occupation was recorded ‘Dairyman’ and he was living at 25 Evelina Road. Apparently this house in Evelina Road no longer remains; the street is located in Nunhead, near New Cross gate between Peckham and Camberwell.
Nether of Catherine’ parents were alive at the time of her marriage to Frank. Catherine’s father was Henry Frederick Bath, born c. 1801. He died at the age of 66 on 25th April 1867 in South Norwood, Surrey. Her mother Sarah (née Page) was born around 1803 and died at the age of 49 on the 18th June 1852 at 7 Bury Street, Chelsea.
On her wedding day in 1880 Catherine Feltham was 39 years old and pregnant.
Her marriage to Frank Cable was Catherine second marriage. Her first marriage, 19 years previously, was on the 21st October 1861 when she married William Feltham at the age of 21 years at Hampstead Parish Church, Hampstead. Her husband William Feltham was 24 years old, having been born of 5th November 1836.
After their marriage Catherine and William Feltham had at least four children;
William H. Born 1863 Birthplace: Hampstead
Frederick C. Born: 29 Nov.1865 Birthplace: Lewisham
Emily H. Born c.1868 Birthplace: Battersea
James D. Born c. 1873 Birthplace: Battersea
1881
Census - 3rd April
Samuel J Cable - Frank’s Brother, now aged 30 is recorded as living at 143, Camden Grove N, Camberwell. His occupation is a Bootmaker.
He lives his wife Sarah, Aged 33 and their 5 children; William aged 7, Lillian aged 6, Minnie aged 4, Beatrice aged 2 and one year old son, Samuel.
Also living in the house is a ‘George Cable’ aged 16. Born 1865 and ‘Bootmakers’ Apprentice’.
This ‘George Cable’ is the son of George & Jane Cable of Buttress Gardens, Stepney.
1881
Census 3rd April 1881 –
The 1881 census records his wife Catherine and their child, under three months as living at 75 Culmore Road but her husband, Francis Cable (‘future Brown’), was not there. He was in Islington.
Francis H Cable Son Unmr 3 months b. Surrey, Peckham
Culmore Road in Southwark/Peckham is re-developed but a pub, contemporary to 1881, still stands
1881
Frank Brown/Cable’s father Henry Isaac dies - Aged 65.
Do not know if was before or after the April 18891 Census
1888
Frank Brown/Cable’s mother Sarah dies - Aged 69 in Peckham, London – Aged 69
1911
Census - The son of Frank and Catherine Feltham, (Francis Henry Cable) is living, I believe, with his ‘In-Laws’. The address is ‘19 Park Lane, Clissold Park. N’
He is recorded as a visitor, aged 32, in the house of a ‘Nevill Herbert? Smith’ a 63 year old ‘Brace & Belt Maker’.
Francis is recorded as being a ‘Dairyman’ (interesting) with a place of birth of Battersea. Also in the house as ‘visitors’ is Francis Henry Cable’ wife, Alice Louisa, aged 41, and their two sons: Frank Nevill? Cable and Harris Cable aged 5 and 3 respectively.
Name | Relation | Age | Condition | Years Married | Total Children Born alive | Children still living | Children who have died | Occupation
| Industry or Service | Employer or employee | Birthplace
| Foreign Nationality
|
Nevill SMITH Mary Ann SMITH Mary Ann Elizabeth SMITH Herbert Nevill SMITH Lily Maud SMITH | Head Wife Daughter Son Daughter | 63 65 31 29 22 | Married Married Single Single Single | 43 43 |
7
|
6
|
1 | Brace & Belt Maker
Printer
Confectioner |
Clerk Law Clerk Clerk | Worker | London. City London. Shoreditch London. Shoreditch London. Shoreditch London. Shoreditch |
|
Fritey? KRAUS | Boarder | 20 | Single |
|
|
|
| Cannot Decipher | Clerk |
| German | |
Francis Henry CABLE Alice Louis CABLE Francis Nevill CABLE Harris? CABLE | Visitor Visitor Visitor Visitor | 32 41 5 3 | Married Married Single Single | 6
|
2 |
2 |
| Dairyman
|
| Worker | London, Battersea London. Shoreditch Teddington Teddington |
|
I believe Frank is staying with his In-laws because ...
1. He and his family are recorded as ‘Visitors’ and not ‘Boarders’, which suggests no payment is being made for the arrangement.
2. Nevill and Mary Ann Smith are recorded as having 6 children still living of whom 3 are recorded here. I speculate that, Frank’s wife, Alice Louis, is also their daughter. At age 41, possibly their oldest daughter, who if I am correct, they had when they were 22 and 24 years old respectively.
3. Frank’s wife, Alice Louis was born in Shoreditch - the three children and the wife of Nevill Smith were born in Shoreditch.
4. And thirdly, and the clincher, the middle name of Frank and Alice’s first child appears to be ‘Nevill’, the same name as the Head of this house and also the middle name of the head of household’s son Herbert.
I wonder if Frank Cable/Brown attend the wedding on his son, Francis to Alice Louis Smith c.1905 ? If so, he may be recorded as a witness.
‘Park Lane’ is referred to on a website http://www.locallocalhistory.co.uk/willows/final1/page1.htm
The 1848 Tithe Map shows 'The Willows' as a large house in Stoke Newington Church Street. It stood by Paradise Bridge, which carried the road over the New River. To the rear there were almost empty fields along Park Lane (which we now call Clissold Crescent).
Google Maps/Google Street shows Clissold Crescent with houses which would have stood in 1911 but the section where No.19 should stand is now a modern development.
1911
Census – This census also records Frank’s brother, Samuel J Cable (noted above in 1881 Census) now 60 years old, living with his wife and two grown-up daughters, one of whom also features on the 1881 census
The address is recorded as ‘77Rooemary Road, Peckham’. This should be Rosemary Road
Name | Relation | Age | Condition | Years Married | Total Children Born alive | Children still living | Children who have died | Occupation
| Industry or Service | Work at Home | Birthplace
| Foreign Nationality
|
Samuel CABLE Sarah CABLE Beatrice CABLE Charlotte CABLE | Head Wife Daughter Daughter | 60 62 32 26 | Married Married Single Single | 38 38 |
7 |
6 |
1 | Bootmaker
Shop Assistant Shop Assistant | Cannot decipherer | At Home
No No | Rotherhithe Camberwell Peckham Peckham |
|
The website of ‘The Peckham Society’ mentions this road in recollections from one of its members which helps us imagine the area......
I lived nearly opposite the Duke of Wellington pub in Cronin Road 92 years ago. It was a very friendly pub. There was a bar at the side saying “Bottle and jug bar” where you could go and get half a pint of beer in a jug on a washing day. My mum used to send me with a jug to get half a pint of stout. Every Christmas all the women were given a leather purse and the men got a leather wallet. On Saturday nights the Salvation Army sold their War Cry in the pub and then they stood outside playing and singing as they also did on Sunday mornings. On the corner of Cronin Road and Rosemary Road was a baker’s shop where during the war a brick was thrown at the window as the owner was a German.
Goggle Maps reveals a Rosemary Road in Southwark which is now redeveloped with modern flats (There is a Cronin Street nearby).
1933
Frank’s first wife, Catherine died on 13th December. Her address at the time of her death was 57 King Henry's Road, New Malden, England at the age of 93 years.
SUGGESTION
Between all put everything factual we know about the Cable Family, in short simple factual statement, both pre and post the time Frank Cable 'morphed' into Frank Brown in chronological sequence. [But not the Brown/Polly Shellaker part of the story just the 'unknown' side of Frank's family]. Maybe using the above text as a start point; ‘Cutting and Pasting’ information and relevant records into the sequence.
Once we have completed that task maybe Colin and I could turn it into a narrative, adding some historical information of the areas and times in which they lived. (I have previously done this for Emma and Nellie Shellaker and part of Polly' life.) Maybe adding original documents, contemporary local pictures and local maps if available.
Once done, we target relevant Family History Societies and get this narrative published in local FHS magazine and in relevant places online (e.g. The Peckham Society).
The objective: to find and make contact with descendants of the Cables who may be researching the Cable family but cannot explain Frank's whereabouts after c.1890. There appears to be many Cables in this tree, many of whom were male - the surname could still be very prevalent We could even find the GG (orGGG) Grandson of Frank himself. (A ‘step-cousin’ for Colin!)
If we can make contact with a Cable who is interested in Family History we could have an exciting and revealing exchange of information and maybe family photographs of ‘the other side’ of Frank’s life.
What do you guys think?
David
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Russ
It certainly does make things clearer.
C.
David Leedham
David
Russ
Quite right. Times were very different. Survival then required quite a different skill set.
C.