New OSM license.
Andrew Laughton
Sorry for raising this again, but I am still undecided which way to jump.
On the face of it I am tempted to agree with the new OSM license, and do my changes to OSM, but use data from FOSM.
I would like to support FOSM, or possibly more to the point avoid supporting the arrogant dictatorship that is or was running OSM, I beleive that Steve Coast has left OSM now, but I am not sure if his replacement is any better.
For that matter, is FOSM run democratically, or is it another dictatorship ?
How and when are people voted in ?
Also it was never clear to me if OSM can use government data or not, there was a post saying that they could, but I do not think this claim was ever backed up by any evidence.
What is happening here ?
I am still a bit miffed that mappers were not invited to vote on the new license, and that they could like it or leave.
If I just contribute to FOSM, it means more work for somebody if someone else remaps the same area.
Once OSM changes to the new license, can FOSM still use OSM data ?
It would appear to a layman such as myself that FOSM would gain a lot more traction if Open source mapping applications had the option of using FOSM maps built in, rather than buried in a how to somewhere.
If someone wanted to help by doing this, or anything else for that matter, is there a wiki somewhere that people could use to coordinate their efforts ?
It looks very much like the map server at http://map.4x4falcon.com/ is very much a works in progress, for example Port Lincoln in South Australia has petrol stations if you zoom in enough, but no roads, at all.
Is this being worked on or just as far as someone got before losing interest ?
This is not intended as criticism, just an observation, I am out of the loop and I am trying to find out what the currant status is.
Andrew.
Anthony
<laughto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to support FOSM, or possibly more to the point avoid supporting
> the arrogant dictatorship that is or was running OSM, I beleive that Steve
> Coast has left OSM now, but I am not sure if his replacement is any better.
Steve Coast has left OSM?
Ross Scanlon
> very much a works in progress, for example Port Lincoln in South
> Australia has petrol stations if you zoom in enough, but no roads, at all.
> Is this being worked on or just as far as someone got before losing
> interest ?
Still loading the data into the database at the moment. It is being
expanded to worldwide.
Cheers
Ross
Andrew Laughton
Not those exact words, and it is third hand, but that is the impression I got.
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Mike Dupont
<laughto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve Coast has left OSM
this is news, please cite sources?
thanks
mike
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Ian Callahan
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Andrew Laughton
> <laughto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve Coast has left OSM
>>
> this is news, please cite sources?
> thanks
> mike
>
>
>
extend, destroy. Then disclaim all responsibility.
Ike
Ross Scanlon
> more traction if Open source mapping applications had the option of
> using FOSM maps built in, rather than buried in a how to somewhere.
> If someone wanted to help by doing this, or anything else for that
> matter, is there a wiki somewhere that people could use to coordinate
> their efforts ?
What apps?
Potlatch2 works from map.4x4falcon.com
I'm currently working on josm (should it be fosm-josm) so that you can
select osm or fosm.org as the data server for either map data and/or gps
traces. This way you can have fosm.org as the data server and osm as
the gps trace server. Also will be able to select where the tiles for
the slippy map chooser come from.
I'll probably extend this to merkaartor once complete with josm
(probably should have done this first as more familiar with c).
The sharedmap wiki could have been used but it's down due to spamming.
Mike Dupont had pointed out another possibility. Maybe this is
something to start on.
Cheers
Ross
Andrew Harvey
<laughto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi people
>
> Sorry for raising this again, but I am still undecided which way to jump.
Not a problem at all.
>
> On the face of it I am tempted to agree with the new OSM license, and do my
> changes to OSM, but use data from FOSM.
How would that work exactly? You contribute to OSM, but don't use it
instead use FOSM for your data/map outputs?
>
> I would like to support FOSM, or possibly more to the point avoid supporting
> the arrogant dictatorship that is or was running OSM, I beleive that Steve
> Coast has left OSM now, but I am not sure if his replacement is any better.
>
> For that matter, is FOSM run democratically, or is it another dictatorship ?
> How and when are people voted in ?
We don't have a "fosm foundation" like OSM.
At the moment there is fosm.org the API maintained by 80n, and maybe
Mike too? and the community of people who are editing/on the osm-fork
list.
>
> Also it was never clear to me if OSM can use government data or not, there
> was a post saying that they could, but I do not think this claim was ever
> backed up by any evidence.
> What is happening here ?
I think OSM is moving ahead under the assumption that they are able to
use any CC-BY dataset released through data.gov.au, but not any other
CC-BY dataset...
...all because of some private correspondence a representative of
AGIMO gave as legal advice over their interpretation of the CC-BY
license grant by another government department.
Because of issues with that and that and statements made by Grant were
in direct conflict with the response I received from Lisa Cornish of
the AGIMO, I don't think OSM can license that CC-BY data under other
licenses such as CC0. I could defiantly be wrong though. I mean if you
include a CC-BY work (A) in your new CC-BY work (B) and someone else
includes your work (B) in a new CC-BY work of their own (C), does C
need to attribute A or can they just attribute B and let the chain of
attribution address A? I think that is relevant, but that is getting
off-topic.
>
> I am still a bit miffed that mappers were not invited to vote on the new
> license, and that they could like it or leave.
>
> If I just contribute to FOSM, it means more work for somebody if someone
> else remaps the same area.
>
> Once OSM changes to the new license, can FOSM still use OSM data ?
Are there any good trustworthy sources on this? I would have thought
no. Not unless the OSMF dual license under the CC-BY-SA and ODBL, but
I'm really in no position to make that statement.
>
> It would appear to a layman such as myself that FOSM would gain a lot more
> traction if Open source mapping applications had the option of using FOSM
> maps built in, rather than buried in a how to somewhere.
> If someone wanted to help by doing this, or anything else for that matter,
> is there a wiki somewhere that people could use to coordinate their efforts
> ?
Which open source mapping applications did you have in mind?
It seems fosm cycles through it's wikis a fair bit. Hopefully we can
settle on one and build up a better knowledge base of all things
relating to FOSM, that is easy to find from fosm.org and easy to
navigate and read.
Andrew Laughton
I could not find the article I was thinking of, but I found this;
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Officers_%26_Board
Not only is Steve still on the board, but he is the chairperson.
Either that or the page has not been updated..
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Anthony
> Well, if it's true, it's what I'd expect of a Microsoft man - embrace,
> extend, destroy. Then disclaim all responsibility.
If it's not true, then it just means we're still at the "extend" phase.
Andrew Laughton
Instructions on fosm.org on how to access Potlatch would be nice, map.4x4falcon.com just brings up a map for me, no Potlatch options.
> What apps?
Android apps;
Navit http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page I use as a map sometimes, to get from A to B.
OSMTracker http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker I use to create gps traces, shows OSM background.
OsmAnd http://osmand.net/ I do not use this, but it has the option of any map you can think of, bar FOSM.
MapDroyd http://www.mapdroyd.com/ I do not use this, but it does exist.
BTC Mapper http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php Ditto.
Maps- https://market.android.com/details?id=coderminus.maps&hl=en
Andrew Laughton
>How would that work exactly? You contribute to OSM, but don't use it
> On the face of it I am tempted to agree with the new OSM license, and do my
> changes to OSM, but use data from FOSM.
instead use FOSM for your data/map outputs?
Putting my extra data upstream should make life easier all around.
This is based on the assumption that FOSM can continue to use OSM data after April.
If they cannot, then OSM has a problem in that they are publishing OpenDB work under a CC-BY license right now, which may be in violation of their own license.
Ross Scanlon
> > Potlatch2 works from map.4x4falcon.com <http://map.4x4falcon.com/>
>
> Instructions on fosm.org <http://fosm.org> on how to access Potlatch
> would be nice, map.4x4falcon.com <http://map.4x4falcon.com/> just brings
> up a map for me, no Potlatch options.
Top right hand corner.
Menu
Move your mouse over it and up pops the menu.
If your zoomed in to level 15 or greater (top three notches on the
scale) then you can "edit in potlatch" or "edit in josm" it will let you
know if you not zoomed in enough.
Cheers
Ross
Liz
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Laughton
> <laughto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi people
>>
>> Sorry for raising this again, but I am still undecided which way to
>> jump.
>
> Not a problem at all.
>
>>
>> On the face of it I am tempted to agree with the new OSM license, and do
>> my
>> changes to OSM, but use data from FOSM.
>
It's not a mutually exclusive condition.
Mapping changes into both simultaneously would be a serious challenge
Neal Schulz
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_osm_vandalism.php
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Ross Scanlon
> Android apps;
> Navit http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page I use as
> a map sometimes, to get from A to B.
This is only a matter of generating the navit maps from fosm.org data
rather than osm.
Where do you get the maps at present?
> BTC Mapper http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php Ditto.
Over to you John.
Others, well I don't have any android equipment so really can't help.
I'd suggest contacting the developers directly.
Cheers
Ross