last night's spinnaker race

[Jeff Reid]

Well we finally got one off and it was pretty good.   Racing was close with Carl winning , Frasier just behind at 28 seconds and Jeff following Fraser another 10 seconds behind. Jan came in a while later as he had some search and rescue to do.   I propose that we invent another spinnaker race this year that of course is not official (like last night) and see how it goes. We need the practice particularly as some of us want to race in spinnaker class in LSIS races for 2011.   I think for next year we should really try to have a series of these races. Comments welcome. I suppose it should be kept seperate from regular official club racing as only some boats will participate. Crew issues as well limit us to the quantity of boats. A boat flying spinnaker should have four people on board and sometimes five on bigger boats. Maybe for next year we have a system of rotating or assigning crew to ensure boats are fully crewed. Best regards,        Jeff Reid  .....check out this link to my charity bike project for Cuba  http://www.bikesforcuba.com  SKINS Gradient Compression     www.skins.net Etonic Footwear   www.etonic.com  Cambrian Footwear  416-937-0095 cel 905-722-8629 office 905-722-5616 fax

[F Rennie]

 

We have: 2  Pearson Flyers, 4 Tanzer 22's, 2 Catalina 27's, 2 Quarter ton class (Sprinta sport and Farr), 2 Viking 28's.

It would be experimental for me, but trying some Match racing starts might also be fun.

But good to go for some more spin oriented, up and down like last night. We should have BBQ'd some sausages after the race! 

Thanks Fraser

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[David Davidse]

Please put me down on the crew list! I'm available for any boat, any time.
I've just purchased some spin equipment for my boat and need to learn
how to use it. If I can figure it all out this year, I am considering
entering the spin division in next year's LSIS.

Fraser, FWIW, I love the match race idea! You Sail Georgina guys have
all the fun.

thanks,
Dave
LCYC

On 8/13/2010 9:04 AM, F Rennie wrote:
> We have: 2 Pearson Flyers, 4 Tanzer 22's, 2 Catalina 27's, 2 Quarter
> ton class (Sprinta sport and Farr), 2 Viking 28's.
> It would be experimental for me, but trying some Match racing starts
> might also be fun.
> But good to go for some more spin oriented, up and down like last night.
> We should have BBQ'd some sausages after the race!
> Thanks Fraser
>
> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Jeff Reid <mailto:jeff...@rogers.com>
> *To:* sga-r...@googlegroups.com <mailto:sga-r...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 8:18 AM
> *Subject:* [sga-racing] last night's spinnaker race

>
> Well we finally got one off and it was pretty good.
> Racing was close with Carl winning , Frasier just behind at 28
> seconds and Jeff following Fraser another 10 seconds behind. Jan
> came in a while later as he had some search and rescue to do.
> I propose that we invent another spinnaker race this year that of
> course is not official (like last night) and see how it goes. We
> need the practice particularly as some of us want to race in
> spinnaker class in LSIS races for 2011.
> I think for next year we should really try to have a series of these
> races. Comments welcome. I suppose it should be kept seperate from
> regular official club racing as only some boats will participate.
> Crew issues as well limit us to the quantity of boats. A boat flying
> spinnaker should have four people on board and sometimes five on
> bigger boats. Maybe for next year we have a system of rotating or
> assigning crew to ensure boats are fully crewed.
>

> *Best regards, *
> *Jeff Reid *
> * .....check out this link to my charity bike project for Cuba
> *http://www.bikesforcuba.com <http://www.bikesforcuba.com/>
>
>
> *SKINS Gradient Compression **www.skins.net* <http://www.skins.net/>
> *Etonic Footwear **www.etonic.com* <http://www.etonic.com/>*

> Cambrian Footwear
> 416-937-0095 cel
> 905-722-8629 office

> 905-722-5616 fax*

[Nancy Glover]

SGA has had some informal match racing in the past. We had 4 boats with a PHRF of 240 that competed against each other during the regular races. We were involved in our Catalina 27. It was a lot of fun.

 

Dave, watch the forum or web-site and just show up. We'll make sure you get a ride with someone. You can also show for our regular races and crew anytime. Next Thursday at 6:30 is a white sail race. You are welcome to join in. Make sure you get a parking pass from someone or you will get a ticket. Don't buy one from the office. Ask either Jeff, us or Tim on Summer School. We should have one you could borrow.

 

Sail Georgina may be small but we do have a lot of fun, particularly racing. We don't run the most races on Simcoe. That would be Barrie. And both CBYC and KBYC probably run as many as us and have regularly scheduled spinnaker races. It's this active forum that makes it appear we're more active.

 

Nancy

[Carl White]

There is always room for you David. Carl

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[Nancy Glover]

Hey guys

 

Just another thought to throw into the mix for next year.

 

What if we attempt to run both a spinnaker fleet and a white sail fleet for an extended Thursday night season? We could have 2 series, 6 weeks each with best 4 counting for the series. We could either run 1 series triangle races and 1 series windward/leeward or run both each week. That way those of us that aren't interested in racing spinnaker or don't have a spinnaker aren't left out. And although I don't see club races as practice for LSIS, the white sail fleet could use the practice too.

 

As far as crew goes, if you plan to race spin in LSIS and think you need 4 or 5 crew, you'll need to recruit them anyways and it would be good to use the same crew to race at the club level. I don't think taking club members off their boats to race SGA is really going to be a big help.

 

As for this year, when are you thinking of having another spin race Jeff? Both Sat the 21st and Thurs the 26th don't have anything planned. If you tried for next Saturday you might be able to get in 3 windward/leeward course races.

 

Fraser, I think it is great that you are offering to purchase, BBQ sausages and clean up after the races. That is what you're saying. Right?

 

Nancy

[F Rennie]

Ahh,  Nancy, Once again you have mis-interpreted me! I never said anything about me buying and cooking the sausages...just that they should have been there!

 

I don't know that I follow exactly  what you are proposing for Spinnaker racing, (just kicked 20 poker playing buddies out, and it is 240 in the morning, so I am in a fog)  but I  think a few Saturdays or other non whitesail nights should be looked into for spinnaker practice/ racing at the least  The easiest way is just to allow either, with the appropriate rating to be used, but I am not in favour if it splits the fleet down to meaningless numbers. Maybe try one of the three series with Spin as an option and then gain feedback.

[Nancy Glover]

I was just saying to Tim last night that I was surprised no one commented on my suggestion of 2 fleets for all or part of the season. He said he was surprised you didn't comment about the sausages dig. I'm afraid Fraser that if you want something to just happen, it won't. Someone has to initiate it. SGA has an executive that is already overworked and 2 positions were never filled. There are very few people doing a bulk of the work. It is unfair to expect more. If we are serious about having something to eat after the week night races, why don't we consider having all of the regular racers take turns on a rotating basis, supplying something? We could leave it up to the person who's turn it is to decide what: sausages on a bun, pizza. wings, burgers, whatever. We would need commitment from the racers. Since you're the only one I ever hear ask about food, I'm not sure we have the interest.

With regards to 2 fleets, I don't know what you consider 'meaningless numbers'. I figure if you have at least 3 boats you have a race. You wrote about match racing, so you must consider 2 okay or I'm I mis-interpreting you again? BTW We did notice that your match racing left out several boats that want to race - Summer School, Tabasco, Star Dust, Little Bit, Ken Haupt...

 

If you wish to take one of the 3 series and make it flying sailing only, you change how the Sailor of the Year is decided. I don't know how you would do that since it is based on the best of 3 series and White Sail. If someone could find a sponsor, we could get a trophy for the top spinnaker racer starting next season. I'm still working on the Women At the Helm Trophy.

 

My suggestion:

Option #1

Next year have 2 Thursday night series of 6 weeks each. The first 6 weeks would run from June 9th to July 14th and the second summer series run from July 21st to Aug 25th. Have the first 6 races the standard Gold cup triangle course and start at 7 so that those people who have to commute to work can at least have a chance to get there in time. For the second 6 weeks, when it gets dark early, start at 6:30 and race a windward/leeward course. For the fleet, I suggest we either have both Spinnaker and White Sail for both weeknight series or White Sail for the first and Spin for the second. If we take this second option we don't mess with the current Sailor of the Year trophy.

 

Option #2

If the boys want more spinnaker than that then we could consider splitting the fleet but the number may get low for each division. Although, this could give them more practice for LSIS and earlier in the season.

 

Option #3 

Let the racer decide at the beginning of the series if they want to race spin or white sail, use the appropriate PHRF and score everyone together. That way if there are only 2 spin boats and 6 white we still have 8 boats scored as one fleet. This is basically how CBYC is scoring their Tuesday night fleet.

 

My rant:

SGA has been trying to encourage more participation from the members in racing. If you make it too difficult or too costly that won't happen. At least some of the members that have been keel boat racing in the club since it began, don't have the desire or the means to invest in new race sails and spinnakers. A lot of us race what are essentially cruise boats, short handed and with whatever sails and equipment we have. We enjoy it the way it is and I think that has been a big part of SGA race fleet's success. Don't change what isn't broken for just a few members.

 

Maybe we should take a straw pole and ask what the racers want and not just those that showed up for the spinnaker races but those that have raced and didn't show for whatever the reason? I suspect that even some of the boats that tried the spinnaker races would still prefer white sail. I think there are only 3 boats that really want to race spin regularly.

 

nancy

[F Rennie]

If it ain't broke don't fix it!

I believe that the Thursday series is strong and healthy and fun for all, and so I am hesitant to recommend any change in formula to that. However, there are a number of participating Fractional Rig boats whose design blatantly assumes and takes for default, that the only way to go down wind for them is with a spin.  For those of us with this configuration it would be nice to get some practice in, sailing the boat as it was designed to be sailed.  The best and most fun way to practice sailing is within a race structure (at least for me and many of us).

 

Personally I think the best structure so as not to take away from Thursday night racing success is to have a  spin series on alternate days or evenings, such as Tuesdays (as I previously promoted) . To avoid the risk of the spin sailors choosing this one over the Thursday whitesail series, I don't think it should be a competing type structure. I.e. if there were 7 or 8 "Tuesday" spin nights spread throughout the full sailing season, it would still be a series, yet not satisfying enough to compete with the traditional SGA series.

Second best may be to allow spin boats to sail as these boats were designed, and let the ratings do the compensating, just as we do for boats that have larger then their peers headsails or outboard vs. inboard differences etc.  ( a fractional boat's spin is not all that magical compared to a poled out mast head 155-170 Genoa,  but most Frac rigs just cannot support the large headsail as a Genoa configuration) If the fleet were larger, relying on PRHF alone may move up to "best option" in my opinion, but as it is not I would prefer to tread softly and think of potential consequences before taking the assumption that there would be no consequence. I don't know a number to define meaningless, but if even one boat, and particularly a new sailor/cruiser oriented/ type feels intimidated to the point of not trying (or worse---quitting) racing by competing against spins, then it is meaningful.  I recognize fully that the vast majority of "racers" including myself, were introduced to racing by means of accommodating them and indeed encouraging them to participate in there non-race configured boats.

 

In regards to the match race throw out, it was just that, a throw out. More a recognition of what I believe to be a most unique circumstance (I have never seen this type of diverse pairing in another club--even ones with twice as many boats). Unique circumstances lead to unique opportunities and I think that a single experimental race cannot be construed as an attempt to alienate boats that do not have a match, but rather just capitalising on our unique circumstances. Not many clubs would have the ability to explore match racing starts; we do though. I am sure those interested but that don't have qualifying rides would be invited as crew or the all important committee boat participants, and would get equal benefit. I am all for inclusiveness, but sometimes we simply have to be creative to figure out how to best be that.

 

Sausages just seemed fitting after having done a  sausage course...peanuts are fine by me though, and better for my waistline anyway.

[Nancy Glover]

Fraser I somehow missed that you had promoted Tuesdays as a spin race day. Sounds good to me. I do remember you suggesting it for a practice day early in the season.  The only concern and it is a very small one, is that Tuesdays are Community Sail Day. If the club decides to invest and promote the community sail program the executive and active membership will need to support it. Since we are such a small group it should be considered.

 

Do you think there are enough spin boats to run a series? I think you'll only get 2 regularly, you and Jeff with Carl joining when work allows. Of course this doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried. Starting small and building is a good way to go. Meanwhile, I'm racing spin on Ronnie Vito's T22 at CBYC on Tuesday's and hope to continue next year. Don't tell anyone but last week we beat Tim Marden's Tripp26 on corrected time. If we keep this up, we'll start to bruise some male egos.

[Jeff Reid]

Spinnaker racing?   After talking with people at the club about this, I too think we should have a seperate spinnaker series in 2011.  I think it should be on Tuesday or Wednesday night, either one, and maybe we set 6-8 dates for the year.   If we only get 2-3 boats out that's okay too.  I expect as time moves on we will get more boats interested in this league of racing.   To Date I see the following boats as likely candidates :   Gryphon Tecumseh Newfie Screech Flyin High Sprinta Sport.....................any others?   This also offers those that have non spinnaker boats to jump on as crew and learn more.

Best regards,        Jeff Reid  .....check out this link to my charity bike project for Cuba  http://www.bikesforcuba.com  SKINS Gradient Compression     www.skins.net Etonic Footwear   www.etonic.com  Cambrian Footwear  416-937-0095 cel 905-722-8629 office 905-722-5616 fax

--- On Sun, 8/22/10, Nancy Glover <nancyl...@gmail.com> wrote:

[charlie...@gmail.com]

[charlie...@gmail.com]

Hell

On Friday, 13 August 2010 08:18:15 UTC-4, Reid, Jeff wrote:

[charlie...@gmail.com]

Hello Helene,I,ve tried applying for invitation to womens sailing ,cant seem to find where the invite is located..What time do you meet Tues which will be 6th/9/2019

charlotte

On Friday, 13 August 2010 08:18:15 UTC-4, Reid, Jeff wrote: