GAYS: TCS Has Them -- Leave That Boy To His Own Fantasies...
Madonna
[THE NEW PAPER: Saturday December 21, 1996]
HOMEPAGE SHOCK (Summarized)
by Teo Hwee Nak
"A 16-year-old student created a homepage on the Internet declaring
that he was gay, complete with his photograph and the name of his
school...
St. Andrew's Sec. didn't give him his school cert until he had
taken it off the net...
School called parents, telling them that the SBAstards are going
to take action against their son...
A SBAstard said, "We responded to public feedback and advised the
school to take it up directly with the student."...
Boy said, "All I wanted to do was to make a statement that I'm
proud of who and what I am."
Mother was upset initially, but finally realized the boy had his
own problems. Now, she was upset with the school's decision of
holding back the leaving cert and had lodged a complain to MOE."
Geddit? The net is no longer a place of free speech and expression,
at least in the context of Singapore. First it was the all-popular
David Tan libel lawsuit, next the break-in arrest of the child-porn
movie downloader, then the erasure of a homepage containing racist
jokes, now the silencing and condemnation of a sexually-repressed
homosexual. It is only fortunate that the SBAstards will only take
action when a fucking 'can't-take-a-little-nonsense' fag calls upon
them, otherwise I'm telling you they're going to have one hell of a
time trying to eliminate the internet of its so-called moral threats.
Poor boy. How's he ever gonna face the world...
Anyway, if SBA, the police or St. Andrew's are bent on gunning down
homos, they should really start with the 'pros' who frequent Music
World, Body Talk and other esoteric hangouts -- they should start
with our beloved, supposedly-straight, much-sought-after (my foot!)
and much-publicized TCS megastars. All it takes is to have someone
respectable to lodge a complain about TCS to SBA and logically the
latter will have to do something about it. But then again, why would
a dog bite its master?
Andrew Seow, Sebastien Shen and Robin Goh (they're supposed to be an
openly-gay couple), Benedict Goh, Steven Lim, Chen Hanwei, Terence
Cao, James Lye, Kenneth Liang, etc., etc., are all prime suspects.
My cousin's in the entertainment industry and she knows, so don't
come and say I'm bullshitting...
I can name a few more, but then I don't suppose that many of you are
interested.
So for heaven's sake, leave that poor boy alone and pick on the real
Queers instead...
--
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ZhiX
This boy openly declared that he is a gay and that he's PROUD of being
one. If he can face the world with such a declaration, he can face
anything.
> Boy said, "All I wanted to do was to make a statement that I'm
> proud of who and what I am."
>
Madonna
Shahrul Idham wrote:
>
> Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote in article
> <32BC84...@mailhost.net>...
> > [THE NEW PAPER: Saturday December 21, 1996]
> >
> >
> > openly-gay couple), Benedict Goh, Steven Lim, Chen Hanwei, Terence
> > Cao, James Lye, Kenneth Liang, etc., etc., are all prime suspects.
> > My cousin's in the entertainment industry and she knows, so don't
> > come and say I'm bullshitting...
>
> defamation lawsuit.
I know which is why I'm hesitant to say it at first. But I just
had to. The boy is unjustly treated and I'm using the TCS stars
as examples of people who can be joyously gay and get away
'scot-free'...
The boy doesn't deserve to be treated like that, and while it
takes a lot of courage to come out of the 'closet', it
certainly takes a lot more courage to stay OUT of it. Like
what I will tell ZhiX.
Flameproof II
On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:42:47 -0800, Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net>
wrote:
[Libelous stuff about TCS actors deleted]
>So for heaven's sake, leave that poor boy alone and pick on the real
>Queers instead...
... like a guy who uses a female userid on the net. Okie.
Takes one to know one, Madonna. I hear you're a regular on #gam.
No regards
**************************
I'm Flameproof II
so I'm twice as impervious
**************************
Foo Chuan Herng
You can actually say four of the Five Tigers (Andrew Seow is one of them)
are gays.
Someone told me the guy for the recent Aids advertisement (blah blah blah
about family values) is a gay. There is Brian who hosted a Tuesday night
Chinese program and afternoon game show. Another rumour says that the
marriage of Jacinta and Dick Lee is for convenience (both rumoured to be
homosexuals).
Saw Robin Goh twice (he always walks to Toa Payoh Safra). Appears to be
very effeminate.
Not too sure about Benedict Goh (recently someone saw him with a girl). Any
stories to "confirmed"?
SAF also got lots of gays who got away because of their rank. There was
once a Major (? not too sure) who ask a mess boy to suck ****. It was found
out and he was posted to another camp (a coverup?).
James Lye is also famous for beating females ("confirmed" in SG.REC.TV and
also a report from recent Chinese papers).
A friend who works in show business (in charge of decoration) told me most
male models are gays and 99.9% of female contestants of beauty pageants are
materialistic sluts (rumour says that they slept their way towards
championship).
Ivy Lee was once booked by a boss of an entertainment company. Zoe Tay as I
have said earlier is also a pro. The recently banned "star" (you know who)
used the most primitive way to get her album out. Majority of the young
actresses are pro according to an auntie who works inside TCS.
Maybe SBA should start investigating all of them.
Of course, all these are just "rumours".
--
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote in article
: Andrew Seow, Sebastien Shen and Robin Goh (they're supposed to be an
Override
Madonna wrote:
> > > openly-gay couple), Benedict Goh, Steven Lim, Chen Hanwei, Terence
> > > Cao, James Lye, Kenneth Liang, etc., etc., are all prime suspects.
> > > My cousin's in the entertainment industry and she knows, so don't
> > > come and say I'm bullshitting...
Hey , my neighbour is also in the entertainment industry but she says
that what you are just bullshitting (can't find a better word to use).
Frankly, I do not know much behind this gay boy story but just can't
"ta-han" those perople who listen and actually spread rumors. I think
you would do much better if you leave names out.
Foo Chuan Herng
Bu the way, Ms Ciccone, can you tell me who is Steven Lim and Kenneth
Liang. I seldom follow TCS serials.
--
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote in article
(deleted)
outrider
>
> I know which is why I'm hesitant to say it at first. But I just
> had to. The boy is unjustly treated and I'm using the TCS stars
> as examples of people who can be joyously gay and get away
> 'scot-free'...
>
> The boy doesn't deserve to be treated like that, and while it
> takes a lot of courage to come out of the 'closet', it
> certainly takes a lot more courage to stay OUT of it. Like
> what I will tell ZhiX.
>
I do agree with you on the unfair treatment of the boy. He might have been
brave enough to out himself on the web, but, he should have known better.
To admit or do something liberal in such a 'conservative' society as ours
is inviting trouble from the authorities.
As for the TCS stars, yes I've heard of the many rumours.
I have a point to make about this:
How do you fight the system? Not by attacking the system,
but by fighting within the system.
Remember the movie BraveHeart?
The Brit King, Longshanks, said that the way to defeat
the Scots was not thru war, but by breeding them out.
Same in this case, more and more people in positions of
authority of society are being noticed as gay.
Interesting, isn't it?
Well, just a thought. :)
outrider
Madonna
Foo Chuan Herng wrote:
> You can actually say four of the Five Tigers (Andrew Seow is one of them)
> are gays.
Right on, Chuan Herng! Just when I thought the rest of Singapore
are all idolizers ignorant about the cruel truth of TCS artistes.
Yes. ALL of them are gays except one -- Jason Oh. I saw him with
his girlfriend in Genting six months back, so he's definitely not.
> Someone told me the guy for the recent Aids advertisement (blah blah blah
> about family values) is a gay. There is Brian who hosted a Tuesday night
> Chinese program and afternoon game show. Another rumour says that the
> marriage of Jacinta and Dick Lee is for convenience (both rumoured to be
> homosexuals).
Goodness. You really know your stuff. Brian Wong, I heard he got
sodomized by a doctor once... and he enjoyed it! The one about
Dick and Jacintha is also not unheard of. Kinda reminds you of
MJ and Priestley, doesn't it?
> Saw Robin Goh twice (he always walks to Toa Payoh Safra). Appears to be
> very effeminate.
Robin Goh... 100%. My cousin saw him and Sebastian Shen kissing
passionately in Music World.
This brings to mind: the Army Daze crew is suspicious (I know
it's true but I'm not saying because one of them frequents this
newsgroup)
> Not too sure about Benedict Goh (recently someone saw him with a girl). Any
> stories to "confirmed"?
Ben Goh is still set in controversy. My cousin says he is indeed
seen with a girl. He's a Christian, but then again these days being
Christian doesn't forbid you to engaging in unnatural sex... There
are rumours that Ben is what he is today because he slept with the
producer??? I donno. This may be untrue...
> Ivy Lee was once booked by a boss of an entertainment company. Zoe Tay as I
> have said earlier is also a pro. The recently banned "star" (you know who)
> used the most primitive way to get her album out. Majority of the young
> actresses are pro according to an auntie who works inside TCS.
Yup. I heard the one about Zoe. You're absolutely right. See, all of
us with insider info know and we're not deliberately trying to defame
them. If it's a rumour, we'll spell it out. If it's a fact, we'll say
it without qualms...
> Maybe SBA should start investigating all of them.
Right. And leave the Internet alone!!!
Madonna
Foo Chuan Herng wrote:
>
> Bu the way, Ms Ciccone, can you tell me who is Steven Lim and Kenneth
> Liang. I seldom follow TCS serials.
Call me Jason, please... :-)
Steven Lim -- the younger brother in "Growing Up"
Kenneth Liang -- TCS producer
S S Dillon
>[THE NEW PAPER: Saturday December 21, 1996]
>
>HOMEPAGE SHOCK (Summarized)
>by Teo Hwee Nak
>
>"A 16-year-old student created a homepage on the Internet declaring
> that he was gay, complete with his photograph and the name of his
> school...
Much as I detest gays 'cause I find them sick and I'm a heterosexual,
but I have to admit that this community is kind of becoming part of
the world. They are already too many of them and it's still growing. I
think society has to except them and nobody has the right to shut them
up! So now, whomsays that there is a freedom of speech here? Well my
foot! That's all a fantasy.
> St. Andrew's Sec. didn't give him his school cert until he had
> taken it off the net...
The school is sick
>
> School called parents, telling them that the SBAstards are going
> to take action against their son...
I like your "SBAstards". 'Cause that's what they are and will always
be. Long live SBAstards!!!
>
> A SBAstard said, "We responded to public feedback and advised the
> school to take it up directly with the student."...
Public feedback? Either SBAstards are lying or there are some people
here acting like cry babies.
>
> Boy said, "All I wanted to do was to make a statement that I'm
> proud of who and what I am."
He has the god given right to do that!
>
> Mother was upset initially, but finally realized the boy had his
> own problems. Now, she was upset with the school's decision of
> holding back the leaving cert and had lodged a complain to MOE."
Parents will get upset. I would too it was my child. Everybody wants
his child to be "normal".
>
>
>Geddit? The net is no longer a place of free speech and expression,
>at least in the context of Singapore. First it was the all-popular
>David Tan libel lawsuit, next the break-in arrest of the child-porn
>movie downloader, then the erasure of a homepage containing racist
>jokes,
I think racist jokes are sick. But it depends actually. I mean his
webpage should contain jokes of many races and not pinpointed to only
one race. He should also include his own race too. With all these,
then only will the page not become objectional. Me and some of my
friends tell racist jokes to each other sometimes.
>Poor boy. How's he ever gonna face the world...
Ya, poor him. All because of some so called "officials" here and any
sick memeber/s of the public too if they are involved.
////////////////////////////////
/// CodeName: AcCeSsDeNiEd ///
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Foo Chuan Herng
Who, who!?
--
outrider <outr...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in article
<outrider-211...@news.pacific.net.sg>...
: Same in this case, more and more people in positions of
Foo Chuan Herng
Sorry Miss Ciccone, some questions:
--
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote in article
<32BCD5...@mailhost.net>...
: Yes. ALL of them are gays except one -- Jason Oh. I saw him with
: his girlfriend in Genting six months back, so he's definitely not.:
Who is Jason Oh? Is it the (Computer Science) graduate guy?
: Goodness. You really know your stuff. Brian Wong, I heard he got
: sodomized by a doctor once... and he enjoyed it! The one about
Someone wrote here in SCS that he is a very good c**k sucker.
: Robin Goh... 100%. My cousin saw him and Sebastian Shen kissing
: passionately in Music World.
Again who is Sebastian Shen? Can you spell out the Chinese name? (Is Music
World the shopping centre or a play?)
: Ben Goh is still set in controversy. My cousin says he is indeed
: seen with a girl. He's a Christian, but then again these days being
: Christian doesn't forbid you to engaging in unnatural sex... There
: are rumours that Ben is what he is today because he slept with the
: producer??? I donno. This may be untrue...
My friend had already told me that majority of the contestants in beauty
contests, models and pretty actors (regardless of sex) slept their way up.
Have you read the interview on Christy Lathi of Chicago Hope fame. She
explained that she was "frozen" for many years because she refused to do
that.
Foo Chuan Herng
So do you agree to what SBA is doing?
--
Philip Teo <cala...@singnet.com.sg> wrote in article
: A GAY, like everyone else have rights. The rights include
: the persue of happiness as long as it does no harm to
: society or another human being.
Foo Chuan Herng
Sorry Jason, some questions:
Winston
Pope Pius XIII wrote:
>
> Since when has being gay been a problem? It's not some disorder or
> disease. Homosexuality is a part of nature apparent in all species,
> just a normal part of genetic variation. The SAJC boy is merely proud
> of what he is by nature- proud of what God made him.
>
I resent that last remark...Biblically speaking, God did not wish
Homosexuality to occur. Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male
as with a woman; it is an abomination." Also, what about the destruction
of Sodom in Genesis 19???
Just my 2 cents worth,
Cheers,
TLC
Edmund Chia
On 21 Dec 1996 13:22:25 GMT, "ZhiX" <zh...@post1.com> wrote:
> This boy openly declared that he is a gay and that he's PROUD of being
>one. If he can face the world with such a declaration, he can face
>anything.
>> Boy said, "All I wanted to do was to make a statement that I'm
>> proud of who and what I am."
>> Poor boy. How's he ever gonna face the world...
I have got religious objections to homosexual relations myself BUT I
say "Good for the boy". It takes courage, especially at 16 to make a
statement like he has. The withholding of his results is IMO an
exceedingly petty act on the part of the school. If they are not
comfortable with have a boy who is gay (or perhaps a boy that is
confused about his sexuality), OR if having a gay in their school
conflicts with the religious character of the school, then perhaps
they could ask him to leave - BUT at give him his results and the
opportunity to make his way in life among others who may accept him,
in spite of his sexual orientation.
Edmund
Shahrul Idham
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote in article
> [THE NEW PAPER: Saturday December 21, 1996]
>
>
> Andrew Seow, Sebastien Shen and Robin Goh (they're supposed to be an
> openly-gay couple), Benedict Goh, Steven Lim, Chen Hanwei, Terence
> Cao, James Lye, Kenneth Liang, etc., etc., are all prime suspects.
> My cousin's in the entertainment industry and she knows, so don't
> come and say I'm bullshitting...
Allegations as such can land u in trouble. U r setting yourself up for a
defamation lawsuit.
Foo Chuan Herng
Kenneth Liang?!?! Someone told me he is a PAP ******.
Do you think that some producers in Singapore will venture into a porno
call "Growing Up"? (Just for laughs!).
--
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote in article
: Steven Lim -- the younger brother in "Growing Up"
Madonna
Override wrote:
> Hey , my neighbour is also in the entertainment industry but she says
> that what you are just bullshitting (can't find a better word to use).
> Frankly, I do not know much behind this gay boy story but just can't
> "ta-han" those perople who listen and actually spread rumors. I think
> you would do much better if you leave names out.
It's the truth dammit. My cousin's a les -- she should know best.
Foo Chuan Herng
Actually this is not the first time such thing happens in St.Andrew. One
pal from that school told me that one student went on stage for a speech
and declare himself going to USA for sex change.
--
ZhiX <zh...@post1.com> wrote in article
<01bbef40$f29950e0$8b9d15a5@zhixiang>...
: This boy openly declared that he is a gay and that he's PROUD of being
Madonna
Flameproof II wrote:
> ... like a guy who uses a female userid on the net. Okie.
I love her. Can't make me change that.
> Takes one to know one, Madonna. I hear you're a regular on #gam.
And what the hell is that???
Don't worry, if it's anything to do with gays, I won't flame
you. You already call yourself flameproof, so I shan't bother
permeating your shield of cowardice...
Philip Teo
I have on good source that he is neither a PAP*** nor GAY.
Go ask him youself. Actually, he cant stand GAY. Dont post
stuff you dont know. You could be drag to court for liable.
A GAY, like everyone else have rights. The rights include
the persue of happiness as long as it does no harm to
society or another human being.
Regards
Philip Teo
On 21 Dec 1996 17:04:43 GMT, "Foo Chuan Herng"
Rolfe
> "A 16-year-old student created a homepage on the Internet declaring
> that he was gay, complete with his photograph and the name of his
> school...
>
> St. Andrew's Sec. didn't give him his school cert until he had
> taken it off the net...
>
> School called parents, telling them that the SBAstards are going
> to take action against their son...
>
> A SBAstard said, "We responded to public feedback and advised the
> school to take it up directly with the student."...
>
> Boy said, "All I wanted to do was to make a statement that I'm
> proud of who and what I am."
>
> Mother was upset initially, but finally realized the boy had his
> own problems. Now, she was upset with the school's decision of
> holding back the leaving cert and had lodged a complain to MOE."
A sad day for Singapore.
> Benedict Goh, Steven Lim, Chen Hanwei, Terence
> Cao, James Lye, Kenneth Liang, etc., etc., are all prime suspects.
> My cousin's in the entertainment industry and she knows, so don't
> come and say I'm bullshitting...
You're not bullshitting. One or two of these are confirmed gays, but who
cares, its none of our business. Given the current state of the Singaporean
mind (the majority, at least) regarding homosexuality, exposing these
truths can destroy lives.
> So for heaven's sake, leave that poor boy alone and pick on the real
> Queers instead...
I hope you don't mean that we should start picking on queers because it's
really not our place to do so.
God help the outcasts!
R
ZhiX
I've gotta say this .. even though I admired the guy for confessing about
his "PROBLEM" I am shocked at the SAJC Boy actually is PROUD of being a
gay, there's nothing to be ashamed of if you are a gay, BUT it takes
courage to come out & confess that you have a "PROBLEM" and need "HELP" ...
I hope the boy has enough courage to understand that he has a problem &
needs HELP ...
Alvin Lim Cheng Hin
Madonna (mad...@mailhost.net) wrote:
: I know which is why I'm hesitant to say it at first. But I just
: had to. The boy is unjustly treated and I'm using the TCS stars
: as examples of people who can be joyously gay and get away
: 'scot-free'...
"I just had to" isn't a good reason to post unverified rumours in a public
forum. While I support you intentions, I have to say that you *are*
unnecessarily opening yourself up to charges of defamation, especially
since you have named names in the context of certain officially condemned
activities.
Alvin Lim Cheng Hin "om sarwa prani hitangkaram"
Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences (May all that breathes be well)
National University of Singapore - Balinese farmer's prayer
"In the imperial arena, there is no law but imagination." - Camille Paglia
* ch...@singnet.com.sg * art5...@nus.sg * www.singnet.com.sg/~chlim *
Foo Chuan Herng
Then do you agree what SBA and SA is doing is wrong?
--
Edward Yong <ky...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in article
: Might I add this phrase- " If it's a half truth, we'll reconstruct the
: other half in vivid detail". Please, What people do in their private
: lives is really none of your ( or mine for that matter) business.
Alvin Lim Cheng Hin
Winston (ewj...@pacific.net.sg) wrote:
: I resent that last remark...Biblically speaking, God did not wish
: Homosexuality to occur. Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male
: as with a woman; it is an abomination." Also, what about the destruction
: of Sodom in Genesis 19???
The idea of God is not the sole property of the Bible. :)
Rolfe
In article <01bbefba$88d16380$8d9a15a5@zhixiang>, "ZhiX" <zh...@post1.com> wrote:
> I've gotta say this .. even though I admired the guy for
confessing about
> his "PROBLEM" I am shocked at the SAJC Boy actually is PROUD of being a
> gay, there's nothing to be ashamed of if you are a gay, BUT it takes
> courage to come out & confess that you have a "PROBLEM" and need "HELP" ...
>
>
> I hope the boy has enough courage to understand that he has a
problem &
> needs HELP ...
If he's happy, then he certainly does not need help. Black, white,
straight, gay, diversity is good.
R
Rolfe
In article <32BCA9...@pacific.net.sg>, Winston <ewj...@pacific.net.sg>
wrote:
> Pope Pius XIII wrote:
> >
> > Since when has being gay been a problem? It's not some disorder or
> > disease. Homosexuality is a part of nature apparent in all species,
> > just a normal part of genetic variation. The SAJC boy is merely proud
> > of what he is by nature- proud of what God made him.
> >
>
> I resent that last remark...Biblically speaking, God did not wish
> Homosexuality to occur. Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male
> as with a woman; it is an abomination." Also, what about the destruction
> of Sodom in Genesis 19???
>
> Just my 2 cents worth,
>
> Cheers,
> TLC
Oh please!! Don't go there!!
R
paul
Winston wrote:
>
> Pope Pius XIII wrote:
> >
> I resent that last remark...Biblically speaking, God did not wish
> Homosexuality to occur. Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male
> as with a woman; it is an abomination." Also, what about the destruction
> of Sodom in Genesis 19???
And I resent your preaching, so there. It's your prerogative to be a
christian and treat the word in the bible as gospel truth. I'm not
going to belittle your convictions. But please, keep your resentment
and convictions to your own damn self. It has yet to be proven whether
homosexuality is a case of nature or nurture, so much as your bible may
preach, "Pope Pius" may actually be right. You have no way of proving
otherwise.
Paul
S S Dillon
On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 23:59:12 +0800, outr...@pacific.net.sg (outrider)
wrote:
>
>>
>> I know which is why I'm hesitant to say it at first. But I just
>> had to. The boy is unjustly treated and I'm using the TCS stars
>> as examples of people who can be joyously gay and get away
>> 'scot-free'...
>>
>> The boy doesn't deserve to be treated like that, and while it
>> takes a lot of courage to come out of the 'closet', it
>> certainly takes a lot more courage to stay OUT of it. Like
>> what I will tell ZhiX.
>>
>
>I do agree with you on the unfair treatment of the boy. He might have been
>brave enough to out himself on the web, but, he should have known better.
>To admit or do something liberal in such a 'conservative' society as ours
>is inviting trouble from the authorities.
The Boy "isn't" the problem.
The Authorities "are'' the problem. Peroid!
Madonna
Winston wrote:
> I resent that last remark...Biblically speaking, God did not wish
> Homosexuality to occur. Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male
> as with a woman; it is an abomination." Also, what about the destruction
> of Sodom in Genesis 19???
True. Unfortunately God allowed his creations to go out of hand
by the mechanism of evolution and variation...
Pope Pius XIII
Winston <ewj...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>Pope Pius XIII wrote:
>> The SAJC boy is merely proud
>> of what he is by nature- proud of what God made him.
>I resent that last remark...Biblically speaking, God did not wish
>Homosexuality to occur.
Au contraire- if a person is Homosexual by nature, it must be God's
will for that person to have Homosexual inclinations. Acting out the
desires are another thing- I refer merely to the inclinations. It has
been postulated that God creates certain people to be Gay or Lesbian
to serve him in a calling to celibacy. GOd does not create something
for no reason. I assume you are not working on the assumption that all
Homosexuals are insatiable perverts. Most I know are decent people
with upright lives ( Yes, they do have a life out of the bed)...
>Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male
>as with a woman; it is an abomination."
"Abomination" (TO'EBAH) is a technical cultic term for what is
ritually unclean, such as mixed cloth, pork, and intercourse with
menstruating women. It's not about a moral or ethical issue. This
Holiness Code (chapters 17 - 26) proscribes men "lying the lyings of
women." Such mixing of sex roles was thought to be polluting. But both
Jesus and Paul rejected all such ritual distinctions (cf. Mark
7:17-23; Romans 14:14,20). The Fundamentalist Journal admits that this
Code condemns "idolatrous practices" and "ceremonial uncleaness" and
concludes: "We are not bound by these commands today."
>Also, what about the destruction
>of Sodom in Genesis 19???
Sodom was destroyed for it's selfishness and inhospitability.
According to evangelical Bible scholar William Brownlee: "'sodomy'
(so-called) in Genesis is basically oppression of the weak and
helpless; and the oppression of the stranger is the basic element of
Genesis 19:1-9." Yale's John Boswell notes that "Sodom is used as a
symbol of evil in dozens of places [in the Bible] but not in a single
instance is the sin of the Sodomites specified as Homo- sexuality."
Listen to the prophet Ezekiel (16:48-49) on the sin of Sodom: "As I
live, says the Lord God, . . . This was the sin of your sister city of
Sodom: she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous
ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were
arrogant and this was abominable in my eyes." (Cf. Matthew 10:15) The
men of Sodom tried to dominate the strangers at Lot's house by
subjecting them to sexual abuse. Such attempted gang-rape is about
humiliation and violence, not same-sex affection.
Any more points for me? Don't forget that King David and Jonathan were
lovers.
Pope Pius XIII
Formerly Patriarch of Constantinople.
Primate of the West, Bishop of Rome,
Servant of the Servants of God,
Vicar of Christ, Chocolate lover.
Holding court in Avignon at ky...@pacific.net.sg
outrider
> > You can actually say four of the Five Tigers (Andrew Seow is one of them)
> > are gays.
>
I heard that he cross-dresses and frequents Changi. Is this true?
> > Not too sure about Benedict Goh (recently someone saw him with a girl). Any
> > stories to "confirmed"?
>
> Ben Goh is still set in controversy. My cousin says he is indeed
> seen with a girl. He's a Christian, but then again these days being
> Christian doesn't forbid you to engaging in unnatural sex... There
> are rumours that Ben is what he is today because he slept with the
> producer??? I donno. This may be untrue...
>
>
Ben Goh was the 1st runner up in Manhunt Singapore a few years back,
right? Well, I heard that the contestants had to go to the show's
creater's house and parade nude in front of him. And that if the winner of
the S'pore contest didn't
sleep with him, he would not be able to participate in the International
contest.
I also heard that Ben did it with Kenneth Liang to rise to where he is
today. Well, it seems that you have to do it with Kenneth Liang to get
anywhere in TCS if you're a guy.
Oh gosh, I feel so guilty. :|
Is it OK to gossip and trade in rumours on the newsgroup?
Rolfe
> Winston <ewj...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>
> >Pope Pius XIII wrote:
> >> The SAJC boy is merely proud
> >> of what he is by nature- proud of what God made him.
>
> >I resent that last remark...Biblically speaking, God did not wish
> >Homosexuality to occur.
>
> Au contraire-
(snip (not unlike TCS))
> Any more points for me? Don't forget that King David and Jonathan were
> lovers.
>
> Pope Pius XIII
Well said. We really should learn to stop taking our Holy Books at face value.
R
Edward Yong
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote:
>Goodness. You really know your stuff. Brian Wong, I heard he got
>sodomized by a doctor once... and he enjoyed it!
Jason Goh- once again you show your lack of restraint and good taste.
I do realise that it is the school holidays and that you must have a
lot of free time. Have you really nothing better to do than to go into
the lurid details of other peoples' private lives? It is merely
because you lack a life of your own?
>This brings to mind: the Army Daze crew is suspicious (I know
>it's true but I'm not saying because one of them frequents this
>newsgroup)
Whether any member of my cast has homosexual leanings may be material
for private speculation, but surely it isn't your job to spread the
"Good News"?
"Not saying because one of them frequents this newsgroup"? Is that how
your petty little mind operates? It is a most cowardly thing to speak
ill of others behind their backs while shying away from doing the same
in their faces. Just because you *think* Brian Wong et al don't
frequent this newsgroup, you fire away with vicious and defamatory
gossip about them, but when it comes to my cast, you dare not go into
details. Why is this so?
I here throw down the gauntlet- Jason, listen up and listen good.
Methinks you make so much noise about the sexuality of others to draw
attention away from yourself. It's known that closet cases go through
a phase like this.
>Ben Goh is still set in controversy. -----SNIP--- There
>are rumours that Ben is what he is today because he slept with the
>producer??? I donno. This may be untrue...
If you are unsure - keep it to yourself. Unless you have concrete
proof - it remains nothing more than petty speculation.
>> Ivy Lee was once booked by a boss of an entertainment company. Zoe Tay as I
>> have said earlier is also a pro. The recently banned "star" (you know who)
>> used the most primitive way to get her album out. Majority of the young
>> actresses are pro according to an auntie who works inside TCS.
>Yup. I heard the one about Zoe. You're absolutely right. See, all of
>us with insider info know and we're not deliberately trying to defame
>them. If it's a rumour, we'll spell it out. If it's a fact, we'll say
>it without qualms...
Might I add this phrase- " If it's a half truth, we'll reconstruct the
other half in vivid detail". Please, What people do in their private
lives is really none of your ( or mine for that matter) business.
Let's not turn this newsgroup into a witchhunt. Celebrities are human
too- posessing all the strengths and weaknesses of humanity. What
celebs do in their private lives is none of our business. If you
happen to stumble across a few juicy bits of info- please do consider
what spreading it may do to an innocent person's reputation. Live and
let live, Jason. And remember- Payback's always a bitch....
That last line may be interpreted as a threat if you will. :)
Edward C. Yong
ky...@pacific.net.sg
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~kyrie
----------------------------------------
Fortiter in re, suaviter in modo.
Resolutely in action, gently in manner
----------------------------------------
Pope Pius XIII
flame...@pacific.net.sg (Flameproof II) wrote:
>Takes one to know one, Madonna. I hear you're a regular on #gam.
*cackle*. That was very well put, Flameproof II! Not that there's
anything wrong with being on #gam, of course... The pple there are
real nice...
Edward C. Yong
ky...@pacific.net.sg
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~kyrie
Blessed is the man who expects nothing,
for he shall never be disappointed - Alexander Pope
T.A.N.S
> Right on, Chuan Herng! Just when I thought the rest of Singapore
> are all idolizers ignorant about the cruel truth of TCS artistes.
> Yes. ALL of them are gays except one -- Jason Oh. I saw him with
> his girlfriend in Genting six months back, so he's definitely not.
have, it means you are GAY????
> > Someone told me the guy for the recent Aids advertisement (blah blah blah
> > about family values) is a gay. There is Brian who hosted a Tuesday night
> > Chinese program and afternoon game show. Another rumour says that the
> > marriage of Jacinta and Dick Lee is for convenience (both rumoured to be
> > homosexuals).
Brian Wong & Dick Lee GAYS???
> > Saw Robin Goh twice (he always walks to Toa Payoh Safra). Appears to be
> > very effeminate.
Robin Goh maybe is a GAY
> passionately in Music World.
>
> it's true but I'm not saying because one of them frequents this
> newsgroup)
>
>
> > stories to "confirmed"?
> > have said earlier is also a pro. The recently banned "star" (you know who)
> > used the most primitive way to get her album out. Majority of the young
> > actresses are pro according to an auntie who works inside TCS.
>
> Yup. I heard the one about Zoe. You're absolutely right. See, all of
> us with insider info know and we're not deliberately trying to defame
> them. If it's a rumour, we'll spell it out. If it's a fact, we'll say
> it without qualms...
are gay as they call each other SISTERS instead of Brothers!
Madonna
Edward Yong wrote:
> Jason Goh- once again you show your lack of restraint and good taste.
> I do realise that it is the school holidays and that you must have a
> lot of free time. Have you really nothing better to do than to go into
> the lurid details of other peoples' private lives? It is merely
> because you lack a life of your own?
Edward, if you've read my previous post, you would've known that
it wasn't my intention to be a nosey rumourmonger. The main
subject was the boy who declared himself gay and who was slammed
by his school as a result. Look, delving into people's private
lives is bad. And in a moment of thoughtlessness I actually
carried on the thread and focused on this mindless gay-bashing.
For that I sincerely apologize.
> Whether any member of my cast has homosexual leanings may be material
> for private speculation, but surely it isn't your job to spread the
> "Good News"?
Sorry.
> "Not saying because one of them frequents this newsgroup"? Is that how
> your petty little mind operates? It is a most cowardly thing to speak
> ill of others behind their backs while shying away from doing the same
> in their faces. Just because you *think* Brian Wong et al don't
> frequent this newsgroup, you fire away with vicious and defamatory
> gossip about them, but when it comes to my cast, you dare not go into
> details. Why is this so?
Simple. The Army Daze crew is relatively new to the scene and I
haven't heard that many rumours about it. But most importantly,
I don't wish to hurt anyone I've personally spoken to. i.e. you.
Look, I'm not saying you are gay, alright? I donno if you're the
cruel, vengeful sort, but let's just suppose you happen to know
something about me that's bound to fling my reputation into the
drain if exposed, will you spell it out for all to hear? And if
you were to hate me that much, will you do just that without
hesitating and humiliate me in front of everyone in a public
newsgroup like this one? I won't. I have a heart too. And I've
always assumed you were one of us -- us: this big happy group
of newsposters, a family in its own right. And I will not do
anything to hurt my family. Maybe I did in the past, but it's
different this time...
> I here throw down the gauntlet- Jason, listen up and listen good.
> Methinks you make so much noise about the sexuality of others to draw
> attention away from yourself. It's known that closet cases go through
> a phase like this.
Oooh, I've a creature hidden in me yearning to overcome my
immunity and gain control of my sanity... Interesting...
> If you are unsure - keep it to yourself. Unless you have concrete
> proof - it remains nothing more than petty speculation.
That's a speculation. The rest are witnessed accounts.
> Let's not turn this newsgroup into a witchhunt. Celebrities are human
> too- posessing all the strengths and weaknesses of humanity. What
> celebs do in their private lives is none of our business. If you
> happen to stumble across a few juicy bits of info- please do consider
> what spreading it may do to an innocent person's reputation. Live and
> let live, Jason. And remember- Payback's always a bitch....
Why do you blatantly assume that the celebs are innocent, and
EVERYTHING I've posted belong to the realm of unsubstantiated
rumours?
Madonna
Foo Chuan Herng wrote:
> Who is Jason Oh? Is it the (Computer Science) graduate guy?
Who is that Computer Science grad? I donno. Just check out
Sunday night's "Give Me A Break" on TCS 8. He's the shop
assistant to Zhu Houren.
> : Robin Goh... 100%. My cousin saw him and Sebastian Shen kissing
> : passionately in Music World.
>
> Again who is Sebastian Shen? Can you spell out the Chinese name? (Is Music
> World the shopping centre or a play?)
Check out the MediaCity Homepage of Stars. Music World is
a disco hangout, and every Sunday it's declared Man's
Night or something...
> My friend had already told me that majority of the contestants in beauty
> contests, models and pretty actors (regardless of sex) slept their way up.
> Have you read the interview on Christy Lathi of Chicago Hope fame. She
> explained that she was "frozen" for many years because she refused to do
> that.
The price you've to pay for glamour...
Anyway, Chuan Herng, let's kill this thread. I don't wish to
hurt any more people...
Pope Pius XIII
"Foo Chuan Herng" <gaun...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>Then do you agree what SBA and SA is doing is wrong?
YES!!!!!!!!!!
and in case you didn't catch that the first time,
YES!!!!!!!!!!
Pope Pius XIII
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote:
>Check out the MediaCity Homepage of Stars. Music World is
>a disco hangout, and every Sunday it's declared Man's
>Night or something...
Actually Sun night is called Hi-Nrg nite... dun ask me how I know...
*wink* *wink* :-)
>Anyway, Chuan Herng, let's kill this thread. I don't wish to
>hurt any more people...
A very wise thought.
Pope Pius XIII
"ZhiX" <zh...@post1.com> wrote:
> I've gotta say this .. even though I admired the guy for confessing about
>his "PROBLEM" I am shocked at the SAJC Boy actually is PROUD of being a
>gay, there's nothing to be ashamed of if you are a gay, BUT it takes
>courage to come out & confess that you have a "PROBLEM" and need "HELP" ...
>I hope the boy has enough courage to understand that he has a problem &
>needs HELP ...
Since when has being gay been a problem? It's not some disorder or
disease. Homosexuality is a part of nature apparent in all species,
just a normal part of genetic variation. The SAJC boy is merely proud
of what he is by nature- proud of what God made him.
Ssu-wei Loh
Why do you say that the boy has a "PROBLEM"? Being gay is not a problem,
nor do gay people need help, at least not if you are talking about
psychological help, which I assume is what you are referring to. The
only help we need is the support and acceptance of the society to be who
we are and to fall in love with whoever we wish.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of who we are because it is not
wrong, and I know I do not have a problem. Now don't even try to start
spewing biblical verses at me and telling me about how it says that
homosexuality is a sin, that it is unnatural or whatever. I think it is
all a bunch of crap. First of all, I am not a religious person, so the
Bible does not govern my life, and second, like I just said, I think it is
bullcrap. Besides, since when was the Bible declared as the "law of life"
to all humankind? It is just something of an excuse for those to hide
behind to do the one thing they should not be doing--hate.
LSW.
On 22 Dec 1996, ZhiX wrote:
>
> I've gotta say this .. even though I admired the guy for confessing about
> his "PROBLEM" I am shocked at the SAJC Boy actually is PROUD of being a
> gay, there's nothing to be ashamed of if you are a gay, BUT it takes
> courage to come out & confess that you have a "PROBLEM" and need "HELP" ...
>
>
> I hope the boy has enough courage to understand that he has a problem &
> needs HELP ...
>
>
Pope Pius XIII
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote:
>Edward, if you've read my previous post, you would've known that
>it wasn't my intention to be a nosey rumourmonger.
>For that I sincerely apologize.
Apology accepted. I do realise that you meant no harm. Next time, just
remember to double check that the brain is running before putting
tongue in gear...
>Simple. The Army Daze crew is relatively new to the scene and I
>haven't heard that many rumours about it. But most importantly,
>I don't wish to hurt anyone I've personally spoken to. i.e. you.
Much as I appreciate the good intent, I don't think one should only
care about pple one has interacted with. I don't think twice about
donating to starving refugees simply because I haven't personally
spoken to. Bad example, I know, but my brain is not running on full
power right now...
Bottom line- it's not our business to be *Outing* pple. When they are
ready to come out of the closet, they will. I think it only fair for
them to come out to the world on their own terms and at their own
pace.
>Look, I'm not saying you are gay, alright? I donno if you're the
>cruel, vengeful sort, but let's just suppose you happen to know
>something about me that's bound to fling my reputation into the
>drain if exposed, will you spell it out for all to hear? And if
>you were to hate me that much, will you do just that without
>hesitating and humiliate me in front of everyone in a public
>newsgroup like this one? I won't. I have a heart too.
I'm not the vengeful sort, but still- it just isn't done to fling the
reputation of others into the gutter. You and I ( I assume) may have
no hangups about homosexuality, but that doesn't mean everyone else on
the newsgroup doesn't either. When I'm with my theatre and
entertainment circle friends, we may yak about sleaze like you do, but
that's with the understanding that we're merely exchanging info- not
smearing. We all work on the basis that being an insider, one doesn't
blab outside the circles. Similarly, One doesn't blab like this to the
general public who may not understand and may not be mature enough to
swallow this information without thinking of it as the scandal of the
century.
>And I've
>always assumed you were one of us -- us: this big happy group
>of newsposters, a family in its own right.
Oi, Oi , Oi.... take that sequin dress and those heels off and stop
calling me "Sister".... :-)
>And I will not do
>anything to hurt my family. Maybe I did in the past, but it's
>different this time...
Thank you.
>Oooh, I've a creature hidden in me yearning to overcome my
>immunity and gain control of my sanity... Interesting...
Ha ha ha. :-)
>That's a speculation. The rest are witnessed accounts.
Yes, I've seen some pretty, er, ah... how shall one say....
*Interesting* things too. But I don't blab about it. I know pple value
their privacy. Anyway, I'll be ruined if pple at Zouk (Not to even
mention Velvet and MW...) tell the whole world about what I'm like
(and whom I'm with and what I with the person) when I'm slightly
tipsy...
>Why do you blatantly assume that the celebs are innocent, and
>EVERYTHING I've posted belong to the realm of unsubstantiated
>rumours?
I don't assume they're innocent. I know some (n fact, many!) of them
are guilty as charged. But *still*- it is none of our business.
JuS
So now almost all the guys in TCS are gays and almost all the girls are
pros?
T.A.N.S <d_...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in article
<32BD8B...@pacific.net.sg>...
> > Right on, Chuan Herng! Just when I thought the rest of Singapore
> > are all idolizers ignorant about the cruel truth of TCS artistes.
> > Yes. ALL of them are gays except one -- Jason Oh. I saw him with
> > his girlfriend in Genting six months back, so he's definitely not.
> Does it mean if you have girlfriend you are not gay, but if you don't
> have, it means you are GAY????
> > > Someone told me the guy for the recent Aids advertisement (blah blah
blah
> > > about family values) is a gay. There is Brian who hosted a Tuesday
night
> > > Chinese program and afternoon game show. Another rumour says that the
> > > marriage of Jacinta and Dick Lee is for convenience (both rumoured to
be
> > > homosexuals).
> Brian Wong & Dick Lee GAYS???
> > > Saw Robin Goh twice (he always walks to Toa Payoh Safra). Appears to
be
> > > very effeminate.
> Robin Goh maybe is a GAY
> > Robin Goh... 100%. My cousin saw him and Sebastian Shen kissing
> > passionately in Music World.
> >
JuS
> > Who is Jason Oh? Is it the (Computer Science) graduate guy?
>
> Who is that Computer Science grad? I donno. Just check out
> Sunday night's "Give Me A Break" on TCS 8. He's the shop
> assistant to Zhu Houren.
The Computer Sceince Grad I think should be Raymond Yong
ZhiX
> Since when has being gay been a problem? It's not some disorder or
> disease. Homosexuality is a part of nature apparent in all species,
> just a normal part of genetic variation. The SAJC boy is merely proud
> of what he is by nature- proud of what God made him.
If GOD wanted MAN to be gays .. He wouldn't have made WOMAN
ZhiX
Ssu-wei Loh <ssu...@expert.cc.purdue.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.SOL.3.91.961222...@expert.cc.purdue.edu>...
> Why do you say that the boy has a "PROBLEM"? Being gay is not a problem,
> nor do gay people need help, at least not if you are talking about
Being GAY IS a problem .. Gay People DO need HELP.
> only help we need is the support and acceptance of the society to be who
> we are and to fall in love with whoever we wish.
YES I agree that these people should recieve our care & concern However
This is even more so that we can help them to get out of their confused
state.
> There is nothing wrong with being proud of who we are because it is not
> wrong, and I know I do not have a problem.
Nope there's nohing wrong with being proud of whom we are .. IF it is not
wrong .. But the point here is that being GAY is unnatural !
> Now don't even try to start
> spewing biblical verses at me and telling me about how it says that
> homosexuality is a sin, that it is unnatural or whatever. I think it is
> all a bunch of crap.
I'm not even a christian, But i do have a sense of right & wrong. To me it
IS un-natural. The reason why I said these people have a problem is because
if GOD ( or whoever create us ) wanted MAN to be GAYS, He/She would have
made MAN bi-sexual, like some spieces of plants. BUT He/She created WOMAN.
I could go on & on about this type of reasoning, but when I read what you
typed below I just give up. Your deep resentment of religon has probably
made you believe more in yourself then anything else. I just wanna say that
I'm not involved in any religon BUT I do knwo what's right & what's wrong.
BTW NOT only the BIBLE says that being a GAy Is a problem, EXCEPT for
SATANISM, almost all the religons agree in this point.
Ken
ZhiX wrote:
> IS un-natural. The reason why I said these people have a problem is because
> if GOD ( or whoever create us ) wanted MAN to be GAYS, He/She would have
> made MAN bi-sexual, like some spieces of plants. BUT He/She created WOMAN.
Approximately 1 in 10 people are born left-handed. Does this make
left-handedness "unnatural"? Anyhow, homosexuality does apparently occur
in nature. Check out these references:
http://qrd.tcp.com/qrd/origins/gay-sheep
http://qrd.tcp.com/qrd/origins/homo.animals
http://qrd.tcp.com/qrd/origins/homosexuality.in.animals
And the American Psychological Association (among others) disagrees with
you:
http://qrd.tcp.com/qrd/origins/apa.on.sexual.orientation.homosexuality
I respect your views, but not your research.
Kenneth Lau
Walter
"ZhiX" <zh...@post1.com> wrote:
> Nope there's nohing wrong with being proud of whom we are .. IF it is not
>wrong .. But the point here is that being GAY is unnatural !
Unnatural? Hmm... by whose definition?
Same-sex behaviour occurs in animals as well.
And if you're talking unnatural religiously, well, I would put say
that it is no less unnatural than people taking oaths of celibacy or
refusing to eat certain foods.
> I'm not even a christian, But i do have a sense of right & wrong. To me it
>IS un-natural. The reason why I said these people have a problem is because
>if GOD ( or whoever create us ) wanted MAN to be GAYS, He/She would have
>made MAN bi-sexual, like some spieces of plants. BUT He/She created WOMAN.
Well, if God intended for MAN to communicate using the internet, God
would have oh, laid down a divine set of fiber-optic cable and gave us
all the natural ability to link ourselves straight into the Net right?
Besides which, your argument rests on one central theory, that
homosexual behaviour is a choice, and not a result of someone's
nature.
If it is indeed the result of one's nature, then your argument falls
apart, since you believe in a God that created us, and therefore that
God must have intended somewhere along the line that some people would
be homosexual.
Alvin Lim Cheng Hin
Shenglu (she...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Who ever have abnormal or unusual behavior has some problem!
<snip!>
Please take your hate-speech somewhere else.
Shenglu
Shenglu <she...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<01bbf0db$e48a6600$533a74cb@default>...
>
>
> Ssu-wei Loh <ssu...@expert.cc.purdue.edu> wrote in article
> <Pine.SOL.3.91.961222...@expert.cc.purdue.edu>...
> > Why do you say that the boy has a "PROBLEM"? Being gay is not a
problem,
>
>
> Who ever have abnormal or unusual behavior has some problem!
>
> > There is nothing wrong with being proud of who we are because it is not
> > wrong, and I know I do not have a problem.
>
> So the drug addicts should be proud of who they are ? The drug dealers
and
> the mafia gand leaders should be even more proud of who they are ?
>
> > Besides, since when was the Bible declared as the "law of life"
> > to all humankind? It is just something of an excuse for those to hide
> > behind to do the one thing they should not be doing--hate.
>
> GOD did NOT encounter any gay and hence never thought that such thing
would
> occur to his proud creatures!
>
Shenglu
Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote in article
<32BC84...@mailhost.net>...
> [THE NEW PAPER: Saturday December 21, 1996]
>
> HOMEPAGE SHOCK (Summarized)
> by Teo Hwee Nak
>
> Poor boy. How's he ever gonna face the world...
He has to face reality, just like you !
>
> Andrew Seow, Sebastien Shen and Robin Goh (they're supposed to be an
> openly-gay couple), Benedict Goh, Steven Lim, Chen Hanwei, Terence
> Cao, James Lye, Kenneth Liang, etc., etc., are all prime suspects.
> My cousin's in the entertainment industry and she knows, so don't
> come and say I'm bullshitting...
I supposed you have had a fantastic time with some of them before ?
> So for heaven's sake, leave that poor boy alone and pick on the real
> Queers instead...
So you are one of the real Queers ?
Shenglu
Shenglu
alf
On 23 Dec 1996 13:33:37 GMT ZhiX wrote:
: If GOD wanted MAN to be gays .. He wouldn't have made WOMAN
Bad argument. First of all, and most obviously, not everyone believes in
the Genesis account of creation. Secondly, even if God created the female
sex, it does *not* follow that God did not want some men to be gay. You
should try exercising your brain so that you can come up with better
arguments to post here. :)
S S Dillon
>Winston <ewj...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>
>>Pope Pius XIII wrote:
>>> The SAJC boy is merely proud
>>> of what he is by nature- proud of what God made him.
>
>>I resent that last remark...Biblically speaking, God did not wish
>>Homosexuality to occur.
>
>Au contraire- if a person is Homosexual by nature, it must be God's
<loads of preahing deleted>
Hello! This ain't "alt.god.preach" or something like that. When Jason
first started this thread he didn't mention anything about God. I'm a
christian but I do't think you all (preachers) should be doing this
here. A whole lot of people probably don't even know what you are
talking about. The fact over here is, that there is no law here
banning homosexuality. There is no law here banning a person from
expressing himself. So, now, WTF in this boy's case? In God's point of
view, there is another story. So please stick to the topic.
Rolfe
> The fact over here is, that there is no law here
> banning homosexuality. There is no law here banning a person from
> expressing himself.
If only this applies to Singapore.
R
ZhiX
Walter <les...@singnet.com.sg> wrote in article
> Same-sex behaviour occurs in animals as well.
TRUE, but these animals do not have opposite sexes ...
> And if you're talking unnatural religiously, well, I would put say
> that it is no less unnatural than people taking oaths of celibacy or
> refusing to eat certain foods.
Nope ... As regards to the RELIGON, Taking oaths of celibacy or refusing
to eat certain foods are all meant to aid one in their serach of a morally
correct & better life .. In my context, being a gay does not fit in these
areas ...
> Well, if God intended for MAN to communicate using the internet, God
> would have oh, laid down a divine set of fiber-optic cable and gave us
> all the natural ability to link ourselves straight into the Net right?
Oh man ... Getting on the Net is like MAN-MADE !! What ... you mean we
develop a crave for internet surfing from natural instinct ??
> Besides which, your argument rests on one central theory, that
> homosexual behaviour is a choice, and not a result of someone's
> nature.
YES ! You got my point excatly !!! I believe that being a gay IS a choice
!!!
> If it is indeed the result of one's nature, then your argument falls
> apart, since you believe in a God that created us, and therefore that
> God must have intended somewhere along the line that some people would
> be homosexual.
Nope ! Let me first redefine that GOD ( the ONE I'm referring to ) does
not necessary be a christian .. HE did not intend MAN to be GAYS because
that we make us a SINGLE-SEX being, but the fact is HE created WOMAN with
all the NATURAL abilities to PRO-CREATE & ATTRACT MAN, The reason why there
are GAYS out there are due to other factors NOT GOD !
ZhiX
Ken <kl...@cyberway.com.sg> wrote in article
<32BF03...@cyberway.com.sg>...
> Approximately 1 in 10 people are born left-handed. Does this make
> left-handedness "unnatural"? Anyhow, homosexuality does apparently occur
> in nature. Check out these references:
Thanks ... I'll check these sites out .. BUT I have a feeling my point is
not made. Let me try again ... FOR HUMANS, NOBODY IS BORN A GAY ... BEING A
GAY IS A CHOICE !
Madonna
William M wrote:
>
> Sorry, I can't resist ...
>
> >First Madonna <mad...@mailhost.net> wrote:
> [some stuff]
>
> >And then On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 07:29:35 GMT, ky...@pacific.net.sg
> >(Pope Pius XIII) wrote:
> >Oi, Oi , Oi.... take that sequin dress and those heels off and stop
> >calling me "Sister".... :-)
>
*PUKE*... Err... Pope, mind your language will you...
Madonna
Shenglu wrote:
> > Poor boy. How's he ever gonna face the world...
>
> He has to face reality, just like you !
Look, Shenglu. I know it's hard these things. But I understand.
I will not discriminate you...
> > Andrew Seow, Sebastien Shen and Robin Goh (they're supposed to be an
> > openly-gay couple), Benedict Goh, Steven Lim, Chen Hanwei, Terence
> > Cao, James Lye, Kenneth Liang, etc., etc., are all prime suspects.
> > My cousin's in the entertainment industry and she knows, so don't
> > come and say I'm bullshitting...
>
> I supposed you have had a fantastic time with some of them before ?
Look the mere sight of them on the TV stings my eyes red.
> > So for heaven's sake, leave that poor boy alone and pick on the real
> > Queers instead...
>
> So you are one of the real Queers ?
Nope. I have to face reality, just like you.
Madonna
ZhiX wrote:
> Thanks ... I'll check these sites out .. BUT I have a feeling my point is
> not made. Let me try again ... FOR HUMANS, NOBODY IS BORN A GAY ... BEING A
> GAY IS A CHOICE !
Zhix, at this time and age, you shouldn't be saying this. To insist
that nobody in this world is born a gay, is to reject the existence
of "inborn" talents/stupidity. Likewise, you would've agreed that
introvertness and extrovertness in the individual is determined only
by the environment; that criminal behaviour is a totally unrelated
subject in genetic research. There has already been suggestions put
forward by reputable scientists in America as to how hetero-/homo-/
bi-sexuality is indeed influenced in varying and disputable degrees,
by the genes, and isn't purely an orientation/behaviour/preference
that one chooses to possess.
Here are some relevant points which should be of interest to you...
GENETIC/BIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE:
- Sexual orientation is believed to be determined shortly after
birth.
- Studies had been performed and replicated of identical twins who
were separated at birth and raised in different homes/environment.
It has been found in many cases that if one twin is homosexual, the
other is also homosexual.
- Research led by the National Cancer Institute in the US compared
the DNA of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. They found that almost
all shared a genetic marker in the Xq28 region of the X chromosome.
While this study has not precisely isolated a gay gene, it suggests
that sexual orientation does have a genetic component.
- When brains of men who had died from complications of AIDS were
examined, it was found that the INAH3, a structure within the
hypothalamus, differed in size between heterosexual and homosexual
men. This study suggests that sexual orientation has a biological
substrate.
SOCIAL EVIDENCE:
- Bad parenting doesn't necessarily "instill" homosexuality in the
child. In fact, many people suffer from all types of abuse and
neglect as children, yet grow up to be heterosexual.
RELIGIOUS EVIDENCE:
- The doors to biblical scriptures have always been kept open to
various scholastic discussions and intellectual interpretations.
So it is theoretically possible for one verse to hold multiple
meanings. And statistically-speaking, out of some 31,173 verses
contained in the Holy Bible, less than a dozen allegedly dealt
with the topic of homosexuality. And the coined word 'homosexual'
did not appear in any translation of the Bible until post-WWII.
In biblical times, there were already words in the Greek language
to represent same-sex sexual activities, yet they never did once
appear in the original text of the New Testament. King James I,
who oversaw the publication of the modern-day King James Version
of the Holy Scriptures in 1611, was a renowned homophobe.
- Various verses in the current version of our Bible appear to speak
out against homosexuals and homosexuality. Not so, according to
some intellects familiar with the history of the Bible.
Madonna
Madonna
S S Dillon wrote:
> Hello! This ain't "alt.god.preach" or something like that. When Jason
> first started this thread he didn't mention anything about God.
Ultimately they had to... since society disapproves of it,
and biblical records despise it, they have to find away to
right it, through the authority of God... through an
alternative interpretation of scriptures.
My advice is -- right or wrong, the decision if yours.
Eventually you'll know THE answer... after you die.
Jeremy San
> S S Dillon wrote:
>
> > Hello! This ain't "alt.god.preach" or something like that. When Jason
> > first started this thread he didn't mention anything about God.
>
> Ultimately they had to... since society disapproves of it,
> and biblical records despise it, they have to find away to
> right it, through the authority of God... through an
> alternative interpretation of scriptures.
So what rules do the society goes by..the society does not solely consist
of normal straight humans...there are also gays, lesbians...and is the
Bible the law-maker here...we are on earth not in heaven.
Jeremy San
In article <01bbf0d4$c3adc960$6fa015a5@zhixiang>, "ZhiX" <zh...@post1.com> wrote:
> Ssu-wei Loh <ssu...@expert.cc.purdue.edu> wrote in article
> <Pine.SOL.3.91.961222...@expert.cc.purdue.edu>...
> > Why do you say that the boy has a "PROBLEM"? Being gay is not a problem,
>
> > nor do gay people need help, at least not if you are talking about
>
> Being GAY IS a problem .. Gay People DO need HELP.
>
> > only help we need is the support and acceptance of the society to be who
> > we are and to fall in love with whoever we wish.
>
> YES I agree that these people should recieve our care & concern
However
> This is even more so that we can help them to get out of their confused
> state.
>
> > There is nothing wrong with being proud of who we are because it is not
> > wrong, and I know I do not have a problem.
>
> Nope there's nohing wrong with being proud of whom we are .. IF
it is not
> wrong .. But the point here is that being GAY is unnatural !
>
> > Now don't even try to start
> > spewing biblical verses at me and telling me about how it says that
> > homosexuality is a sin, that it is unnatural or whatever. I think it is
> > all a bunch of crap.
>
> I'm not even a christian, But i do have a sense of right &
wrong. To me it
Methinks it's not a matter of being right or wrong but more of a personal
opinion...
> IS un-natural. The reason why I said these people have a problem is because
> if GOD ( or whoever create us ) wanted MAN to be GAYS, He/She would have
> made MAN bi-sexual, like some spieces of plants. BUT He/She created WOMAN.
If God really wanted HUMANS to be straight, the gay and the homonsexual
mentalities wouldn't even had existed!!!
> I could go on & on about this type of reasoning, but when I read
what you
> typed below I just give up. Your deep resentment of religon has probably
> made you believe more in yourself then anything else. I just wanna say that
> I'm not involved in any religon BUT I do knwo what's right & what's wrong.
> BTW NOT only the BIBLE says that being a GAy Is a problem, EXCEPT for
> SATANISM, almost all the religons agree in this point.
Personally, methinks Santanism is nothing wrong as long as u do not harm others,
Christianity was also banned in the Roman times. As long as these people
go on doing what they want and not be a meance to the others and
society...it is fine with me!!!
> First of all, I am not a religious person, so the
> > Bible does not govern my life, and second, like I just said, I think it
> is
> > bullcrap. Besides, since when was the Bible declared as the "law of
Colin Tan
Confirmation on benedict goh: seen along beach at a barbeque, walking
hand-in-hand with a man.
another one: seems that it is common knowledge amongst the glitz circles
that to win manhunt one has to sleep with the president of the main
sponsor........anybody heard anything on this? a friend of mine withdrew
from the semi finals becos of this.
also: this yr's winner is gay.
remember army daze? the malcolm png character is gay.
they abound, but really, is it really important? should we not judge them
on professional merits??
Jeremy San
In article <01bbf0db$e48a6600$533a74cb@default>, "Shenglu"
<she...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ssu-wei Loh <ssu...@expert.cc.purdue.edu> wrote in article
> <Pine.SOL.3.91.961222...@expert.cc.purdue.edu>...
> > Why do you say that the boy has a "PROBLEM"? Being gay is not a problem,
>
>
> Who ever have abnormal or unusual behavior has some problem!
how do u define abnormal or unusual behavior??? Is it somthing that u
yourself cannot accept and that whole lot will be condemned. If being gay
is not acceptable by u...methinks it's very sad.....there are a lot of
things that we won't accept, but the main thing is that we must try to
understand, and it is onlt thru that that may we be a more mature and
tolerant person...
>
> > There is nothing wrong with being proud of who we are because it is not
> > wrong, and I know I do not have a problem.
>
> So the drug addicts should be proud of who they are ? The drug dealers and
> the mafia gand leaders should be even more proud of who they are ?
>
> > Besides, since when was the Bible declared as the "law of life"
> > to all humankind? It is just something of an excuse for those to hide
> > behind to do the one thing they should not be doing--hate.
>
> GOD did NOT encounter any gay and hence never thought that such thing would
> occur to his proud creatures!
How do u know that He did not encountered such a problem??? Maybe it is
part of the God's "Grand Scheme" too...or just a work of Mother Nature!!!
Jeremy San
Foo Chuan Herng
--
Colin Tan <elsi...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in article
<01bbf274$613f7f20$a64e78cb@default>...
: Confirmation on benedict goh: seen along beach at a barbeque, walking
: hand-in-hand with a man.
Walk hand in hand on a beach? Isn't he scare that this will provoke that
homophobic TCS?
: another one: seems that it is common knowledge amongst the glitz circles
: that to win manhunt one has to sleep with the president of the main
: sponsor........anybody heard anything on this? a friend of mine withdrew
: from the semi finals becos of this.
This is really so "common". Seen the recent Miss China Town contest? Many
of my friends felt that the champion was really ugly (her huge mouth and
flat body).
: also: this yr's winner is gay.
Again, any "confirmation" stories?
: they abound, but really, is it really important? should we not judge them
: on professional merits??
We are not judging. We are really just gossiping.
twe...@post1.com
Hi, just got something to say :
Pls don't drag God into the issue... or does it really made U feel good
?? Pls don't quote phrases in the Bible because it's man interpretation
and variety emerges. ...(are U sure that what U quote is what God is
trying to say or just a man interpretation .... ) and it's made me very
sick... Althought I'm not a holy man, or a saint neither am I a angel
but I know that ...#$%$%&&&8. *$... (up to U to decide )
***** We are getting out of pt here... ****
Homosexually, is cause by ?????? ( many factors....and yes..yes.. pls
don't quote any Doctor this time... .. )If someone Chose (Want) to be a
homo then leave it....
In the case, the SBA is merely doing what they are told to do .. that is
#$%@%@#$#$$%*&* So is there freedom of speech (which is the main issue
here, not the boy or TCS actors ( who is being drag into this) althought
it's is very interesting examples.....)
So is there freedom of speech ???
** In sg.newgroup, U ppl are kidding.. go some other group...
** In personel web pages, put in some other free web pages that is not
in Singapore...(server that is not in Singapore)
That what is the SBA for ?? Hey, they are just doing their job..
Do U know that these kind news we are creating here ? WE ARE Gossiping
(and U don't know even whether anything is truth about the TCS actors...
)...Thanks ....
Got my hint...
Tweetie
Pope Pius XIII wrote:
>
> XXXYYYxxxyyy
Pope Pius XIII wrote:
>
Cappella
On Wed, 25 Dec 1996 12:08:19 +0800, je76...@singnet.com.sg (Jeremy San)
wrote:
>So what rules do the society goes by..the society does not solely consist
>of normal straight humans...there are also gays, lesbians...and is the
>Bible the law-maker here...we are on earth not in heaven.
Ever wonder why there is the tendency of homosexuality ??? Ever wonder why
these people goes towards it willingly ???
I dunno ... anyone knows ???
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Colin Tan (elsi...@pacific.net.sg) wrote:
: Confirmation on benedict goh: seen along beach at a barbeque, walking
: hand-in-hand with a man.
This is a manifestation of the old double-standard; if a girl was seen
walking hand-in-hand with another girl, no one will bat an eyelid! Anyway
I fail to see how this is "confirmation", as you put it...
Cappella
On 24 Dec 1996 15:28:46 GMT, "ZhiX" <zh...@post1.com> wrote:
> Thanks ... I'll check these sites out .. BUT I have a feeling my point is
>not made. Let me try again ... FOR HUMANS, NOBODY IS BORN A GAY ... BEING A
>GAY IS A CHOICE !
I beg to differ ... I really see a gay brought up in an environment whether
his parents TRY to psycho him to be a guy and he still end up like a gu-niang
anyawy. :(
Choice ??? Sometimes I wonder their XY chromosomes force them to be girl in
nature unconsciously ...
deViant
Madonna wrote:
> Yes. ALL of them are gays except one -- Jason Oh. I saw him with
> his girlfriend in Genting six months back, so he's definitely not.
Errrr...I though Raymond Yong was the straight one? Girlfriend is Jamie
Lee (Happybelly, 999). Reportedly very much in love.
> > Not too sure about Benedict Goh (recently someone saw him with a girl). Any
> > stories to "confirmed"?
> Ben Goh is still set in controversy. My cousin says he is indeed
> seen with a girl.
He has a girlfriend lah! Confirm!
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Colin Tan wrote:
another one: seems that it is common knowledge amongst the glitz circles
> that to win manhunt one has to sleep with the president of the main
> sponsor........anybody heard anything on this? a friend of mine withdrew
> from the semi finals becos of this.
oh just to confirm, i think i heard something like that too. my cousin's
boyfriend took part in the manhunt, the one together with ben goh. heard
from him that the organiser did call up some of the contestants and "ask
them out". i remembered my cousin lamented to me: she never thought that
her rival in love would be a man!!!
so anyone has anymore stories to tell?
Edward Yong
"Colin Tan" <elsi...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>remember army daze? the malcolm png character is gay.
Oi Oi Oi!
I dun recall having put being Homesexual into my character development
of Malcolm...
If you're talking about me, now *that* is a completely seperate
issue..
>they abound, but really, is it really important? should we not judge them
>on professional merits??
Amen, Amen et iterum Amen!
Amen, Amen and once again Amen!
Edward C. Yong
ky...@pacific.net.sg
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~kyrie
Blessed is the man who expects nothing,
for he shall never be disappointed - Alexander Pope