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William J. Keaton

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Jun 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/4/98
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Gosh I love the internet....

Prelude Pictures is the company that brought us "Lost in Space" the movie.
The company was formed by Mark Koch, in order to fulfill his dream of making
movies. Productions so far include an HBO movie, Judicial Consent and the
upcoming Black Dog, starring Patrick Swayze.

Ok...

WJaKe

William J. Keaton

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Of course I'm not going to put the book in the subject, why make it too
easy?

According to Locus, some place called "Prelude Pictures" has optioned film
rights for "Friday"

All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
thinking of casting ideas.

And try not to drool....

WJaKe

Deb Houdek Rule

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"
>All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
>thinking of casting ideas.

The girl who originally played Billie on Days of Our Lives (Lisa
something) and is now on Melrose Place. She looks like I picture
Friday. Or the girl in the original La Femme Nikita (a film _very_
reminicent of Friday) could work depending on her English.

Deb (D.A. Houdek)

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Filksinger

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William J. Keaton <wj...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
<35763...@news.sff.net>...


> Of course I'm not going to put the book in the subject, why make it too
> easy?
>
> According to Locus, some place called "Prelude Pictures" has optioned
film
> rights for "Friday"
>

> All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
> thinking of casting ideas.
>

> And try not to drool....
>

Being poor with names, and generally uninterested in the names of actors
and actresses, I don't have anyone in mind immediately. However, for those
who want to play this game, remember that Friday apparently looks mostly
Caucasian, with enough of a "built-in tan" for her to add Indian (American
Indian, I believe, though I don't think they specify) to her false family
tree.

Most of the actresses whose names I remember (not many) are either black or
white, with either too much or too little built in tan. The remainder
mostly have strong accents that I believe are natural.

Filksinger

<<Big Charlie>>

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Jun 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/4/98
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Filksinger--
You wrote--
>>for her to add Indian (AmericanIndian, I believe, though I don't
>>think they specify)

I could have sworn I remember "Cherokee" in there somewhere.
--
<<Big Charlie>>

"The history of progress is a long, long list of specialists who were
dead wrong when they were the most certain." --SIASL

Tim Pleasant

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William J. Keaton wrote:
>
> Of course I'm not going to put the book in the subject, why make it too
> easy?
>
> According to Locus, some place called "Prelude Pictures" has optioned film
> rights for "Friday"
>
> All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
> thinking of casting ideas.
>
> And try not to drool....
>
> WJaKe

Sarah Michelle Gellar, currently starring in "Buffy, the Vampire
Slayer," a surprisingly good TV series.

Plez

Matt Hickman

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Jun 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/6/98
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In <357743...@delphi.com>, Tim Pleasant <timpl...@delphi.com> writes:

>William J. Keaton wrote:
>>
>> According to Locus, some place called "Prelude Pictures" has optioned film
>> rights for "Friday"
>>
>> All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
>> thinking of casting ideas.
>>
>
>Sarah Michelle Gellar, currently starring in "Buffy, the Vampire
>Slayer," a surprisingly good TV series.

I assume you are referring to the Whelan cover. It is misleading,
without a hint of the ancestry Heinlein gave Friday in the novel.

Perhaps Michelle Yeoh would be a better fit for the real (!?) Friday.


--
Matt Hickman
Are no homely women. Some more beautiful than others.
Robert A. Heinlein (1907 - 1988)
_The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress_ c 1966

Ed Johnson

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On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 1Deb Houdek Rule posted:

>"
>>All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
>>thinking of casting ideas.
>

> The girl who originally played Billie on Days of Our Lives (Lisa
>something) and is now on Melrose Place. She looks like I picture
>Friday. Or the girl in the original La Femme Nikita (a film _very_
>reminicent of Friday) could work depending on her English.
>
>Deb (D.A. Houdek)
>

Deb: I am familiar with the TV series La Femme Nikita, but was
unaware that there was a film version. Tell me more. . . .
As for the TV actress: I admit that she has the 'moves' for the
role; but I feel that she doesn't look like Friday, IMHO.

Ed J

Ed Johnson

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On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 Ed J posted:

>Deb: I am familiar with the TV series La Femme Nikita, but was
>unaware that there was a film version. Tell me more. . . .
> As for the TV actress: I admit that she has the 'moves' for the
>role; but I feel that she doesn't look like Friday, IMHO.
>
>Ed J

Deb: I was refering to the TV lead for La Femme Nikita, not the
Soap actress.
Ed J

Lorrita Morgan

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Ed,
The Movie LaFemme Nikita should be available at any large video rental store
in the foriegn films section. (but I checked it out of my local library.)
I liked it much better than the American remake I can't remember the the
name of. The American version starred Bridget Fonda. (I think.)

As for Friday, I'm thinking of actors that are too old for the role
now--Jayne Kennedy, Pam Grier, and a few other action heroines from the
seventies.

--
`rita in beautiful Finley, WA aka The Mother of the Bride.
Counting down to June 13.

Bill Dauphin

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Lorrita Morgan wrote:
> The American version starred Bridget Fonda. (I think.)

I think you're thinking of a different film (whose title I unfortunately forget) that
starred Bridget Fonda as a once-and-future assassin.

> As for Friday, I'm thinking of actors that are too old for the role
> now--Jayne Kennedy, Pam Grier, and a few other action heroines from the
> seventies.

Just to toss a name into the hat, how 'bout Halle Berry?

-JovBill

Deb Houdek Rule

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>> The American version starred Bridget Fonda. (I think.)
>
>I think you're thinking of a different film (whose title I unfortunately forget) that
>starred Bridget Fonda as a once-and-future assassin.

The American version of "La Femme Nikita" was called "Point of No
Return" and wasn't, IMO, very good. It was too clean and sanitized,
all the grit was gone. The original French version -- same story, same
_director_ even, as the American -- was very dark (not just
physically, I mean) with a feral, untamed Nikita playing the lead. She
looked and acted as I pictured Friday.

Cecil Rose

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"Lorrita Morgan" <lor...@gte.net> wrote:

>Ed,
>The Movie LaFemme Nikita should be available at any large video rental store
>in the foriegn films section. (but I checked it out of my local library.)
>I liked it much better than the American remake I can't remember the the
>name of.

"Point of No Return"

> The American version starred Bridget Fonda. (I think.)

Yup.
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William J. Keaton

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Deb Houdek Rule wrote in message <357b2de8...@NEWS.SFF.NET>...

>physically, I mean) with a feral, untamed Nikita playing the lead. She
>looked and acted as I pictured Friday.
>

Hmmm, I pictured Friday as a smart well-controlled woman, who could turn
feral and untamed when need be, but was left naive and unknowing in many
other ways.

WJaKe

Fader

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On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 17:30:52 GMT, eljo...@nospam.prodigy.com (Ed
Johnson) wrote:

>Deb: I was refering to the TV lead for La Femme Nikita, not the
>Soap actress.

Peta Wilson

Fader


Eli Hestermann

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Matt Hickman wrote:

> In <357743...@delphi.com>, Tim Pleasant <timpl...@delphi.com> writes:

> >> All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
> >> thinking of casting ideas.
> >>
> >

> >Sarah Michelle Gellar, currently starring in "Buffy, the Vampire
> >Slayer," a surprisingly good TV series.
>
> I assume you are referring to the Whelan cover. It is misleading,
> without a hint of the ancestry Heinlein gave Friday in the novel.
>
> Perhaps Michelle Yeoh would be a better fit for the real (!?) Friday.

Of the suggestions so far, I like that one the best, although I'm surprised no
one has mentioned those buff heroines of past sf movies: Sigourney Weaver and
Linda Hamilton.

E
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehest...@whoi.edu
http://www.mit.edu/people/octavian/eli.html
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca

William J. Keaton

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Eli Hestermann wrote in message <357BEA95...@whoi.edu>...


>Of the suggestions so far, I like that one the best, although I'm surprised
no
>one has mentioned those buff heroines of past sf movies: Sigourney Weaver
and
>Linda Hamilton.


Perhaps because they are both getting a little ling in the tooth...

WJaKe

Filksinger

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Bill Dauphin wrote in message <357B4E...@ix.netcom.com>...
<snip>


>
>Just to toss a name into the hat, how 'bout Halle Berry?


One of my first thoughts. Rejected because Friday, while never closely
described, would seem from what was said to be lighter and more
Caucasian-looking. Friday told her first family that she had a little
Cherokee blood, but the context and other conversation would seem to
indicate that otherwise she mostly looked white. Halle Berry does not
seem to fit, quite.

Filksinger

Filksinger

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Eli Hestermann wrote in message <357BEA95...@whoi.edu>...

<snip>


>Of the suggestions so far, I like that one the best, although I'm
surprised no
>one has mentioned those buff heroines of past sf movies: Sigourney
Weaver and
>Linda Hamilton.


Linda Hamilton doesn't fit too well, but Sigourney Weaver, perhaps
darkened a bit, might work. However, I got the impression that Friday
was still a bit younger than they are.

No matter, though. Its going to be hard enough to cast without
throwing in very vague impressions of age, as well.

Filksinger

Filksinger

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William J. Keaton wrote in message <357c0...@news.sff.net>...


>
>Eli Hestermann wrote in message <357BEA95...@whoi.edu>...

>>Of the suggestions so far, I like that one the best, although I'm
surprised
>no
>>one has mentioned those buff heroines of past sf movies: Sigourney
Weaver
>and
>>Linda Hamilton.
>
>

>Perhaps because they are both getting a little ling in the tooth...


I tried avoiding putting it quite that way...

However, Friday is young enough that she is quite willing to spend 10
years buying her way into her Enzed family, and is described as being
on the verge of slowing down by Mr. Two-canes. She also seems to talk
young, and doesn't give the impression that she has had much time to
study human reproductive mores. Either of the above actresses, were
they Friday, would appear to have had a decade or two.

Filksinger

James Gifford

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William J. Keaton wrote in message <357c0...@news.sff.net>...

> Eli Hestermann wrote in message <357BEA95...@whoi.edu>...
>> Of the suggestions so far, I like that one the best, although I'm
>> surprised no one has mentioned those buff heroines of past sf movies:
>> Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton.

> Perhaps because they are both getting a little ling in the tooth...

Are you saying they wear cod pieces?

--

gif...@ns.net * See http://www.ns.net/~gifford for the
Heinlein FAQ & _Robert A. Heinlein: A Reader's Companion_

Bill Dauphin

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Filksinger wrote:
> ...Friday, while never closely

> described, would seem from what was said to be lighter and more
> Caucasian-looking. Friday told her first family that she had a little
> Cherokee blood, but the context and other conversation would seem to
> indicate that otherwise she mostly looked white. Halle Berry does not
> seem to fit, quite.

Depending on hairstyle and makeup, Ms. Berry can look pretty Caucasian, IMHO. In _The
Flintstones_, for example, she could have passed for just very well tanned (and
everybody knows there were no Black folks in the Stone Age, right? <vbg>). In any case,
given the liberties Hollywood is likely to take with everything else in the book <sigh>,
quibbling over a shade or two of skin tone seems like a moot point. I just thought her
looks had the right combination of sweet, tough, and exotic.

The other name that popped into my head was Uma Thurman... but then, she's a little
*too* Caucasian for the part <g>.

-JovBill

Filksinger

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Bill Dauphin wrote in message <357CCE...@ix.netcom.com>...


>Filksinger wrote:
>> ...Friday, while never closely
>> described, would seem from what was said to be lighter and more
>> Caucasian-looking. Friday told her first family that she had a
little
>> Cherokee blood, but the context and other conversation would seem
to
>> indicate that otherwise she mostly looked white. Halle Berry does
not
>> seem to fit, quite.
>
>Depending on hairstyle and makeup, Ms. Berry can look pretty
Caucasian, IMHO. In _The
>Flintstones_, for example, she could have passed for just very well
tanned (and
>everybody knows there were no Black folks in the Stone Age, right?
<vbg>).

Maybe. She didn't quite look that way to me, but then I have an ...
interest in non-Caucasian features.:)

>In any case,
>given the liberties Hollywood is likely to take with everything else
in the book <sigh>,
>quibbling over a shade or two of skin tone seems like a moot point. I
just thought her
>looks had the right combination of sweet, tough, and exotic.


Got me there.

>The other name that popped into my head was Uma Thurman... but then,
she's a little
>*too* Caucasian for the part <g>.


True. If one chose to keep the part where Boss described her heritage
intact, and only slightly tinkered with the earlier conversation with
Friday's co-wife, then, yes, I agree.

Especially as the earlier conversation is likely to be cut or highly
modified, to avoid those very controversial marriage ideas of which
Heinlein was so fond.

Filksinger

William J. Keaton

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James Gifford wrote in message <357C79...@ns.net>...


>William J. Keaton wrote in message <357c0...@news.sff.net>...

>> Perhaps because they are both getting a little ling in the tooth...
>
>Are you saying they wear cod pieces?
>


<groan> as soon as I saw my posted message, I wondered where my typo would
lead....

WJaKe

Filksinger

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William J. Keaton <wj...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
<35763...@news.sff.net>...

> Of course I'm not going to put the book in the subject, why make it too
> easy?
>

> According to Locus, some place called "Prelude Pictures" has optioned
film
> rights for "Friday"
>

> All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
> thinking of casting ideas.
>

> And try not to drool....

My wife suggested the actress who played the title role in "Selena", though
we can't remember her name.

We also noted that, irregardless of interest or acting talent, "Miss
Fitness USA" is just about perfect from a physical point of view. Slightly
"exotic" looking, slightly dark complexion, and fit enough to boot.

Filksinger

Filksinger

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Tim Pleasant <timpl...@delphi.com> wrote in article
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<snip>
> >
> > WJaKe


>
> Sarah Michelle Gellar, currently starring in "Buffy, the Vampire
> Slayer," a surprisingly good TV series.

If one is ignoring the physical part of Friday's description, Ms. Gellar
would work well. However, even ignoring the "built-in tan", Friday stated
quite clearly that she was not blonde.

Though that reminds me. I have seen Sarah Michelle Geller frequently of
late in conjunction with her part in "I know what you did last summer".
This reminded me of another actress in another, similar role. While she
doesn't have the "built-in tan", the female lead in Scream 2 might work.

Filksinger

Deb Houdek Rule

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>Hmmm, I pictured Friday as a smart well-controlled woman, who could turn
>feral and untamed when need be, but was left naive and unknowing in many
>other ways.

Well.. this is the Friday that _wasn't_ really in the book--the one
they talked about raising in the creche. As in the book, in the movie
Nikita/Friday grows into the sort you describe.

Tim Pleasant

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Eli Hestermann wrote:
>
> Of the suggestions so far, I like that one the best, although I'm surprised no
> one has mentioned those buff heroines of past sf movies: Sigourney Weaver and
> Linda Hamilton.
>
> E
> --

Weaver and Hamilton are too old now for Friday.

I was thinking about Kari Wuhrer, currently starring in "Sliders." She
has the ability to be hard as nails like Friday did, and looks right for
the role.

Tim

Danny Blue

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Filksinger wrote in message <01bd93e5$8a24bfe0$fd211dac@d036>...


>
>
>William J. Keaton <wj...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
><35763...@news.sff.net>...
>> Of course I'm not going to put the book in the subject, why make it too
>> easy?
>>
>> According to Locus, some place called "Prelude Pictures" has optioned
>film
>> rights for "Friday"
>>
>> All right boys, fix that cover picture firmly in your head and start
>> thinking of casting ideas.
>>
>> And try not to drool....
>

I think that in casting that part, nationality would be less important
than choosing an actress who could portray Friday's distracted sensuality as
well as her efficient predation. Attitude would be more important than
pigmentation. I honestly don't have a clue about who could pull this off.
How about Mr. Two Canes (Kettle Belly Baldwin)? Who could do justice to
that role? Not to stir up the racial issue again, how about James Earl
Jones. He could successfully display the wisdom of the role while showing
the physical fragility. I considered Sean Connery, but I have a difficult
time picturing him as infirm.
This is all moot as no Heinlein story will ever be successfully
translated to screen, not in Hollywood, USA.
It's nice to dream, though, ain't it!
I should intro myself as a first time poster to this NG. I'm known near
& narrow as Danny Blue. I have been reading RAH since early puberty, two
decades now, and have been greatly influenced by his works. I have read
everything he's written (except some of the more obscure shorts & such from
his early years). I regularly dip into the bookshelf to revisit his stories.
My postings are sporadic at best, but I try to make up for in quality,
what I lack in quantity. I look forward to revisiting this NG to gather
insight and, I hope, occasionally dish it out, on a subject I hold dear to
my heart.
Thank You.

Danny Blue
*************************************
"You cannot enslave a free man,
The most you can do is kill him."
John Lyle, Hero of Robert
Heinlein's "If This Goes On"
*************************************

Major Kissam

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>>James Earl Jones... ...while showing the physical fragility.

Are we talking about the same JEJ?!?

Danny Blue

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Major Kissam wrote in message <6lmcgu$qd$1...@supernews.com>...


>>>James Earl Jones... ...while showing the physical fragility.
>
>Are we talking about the same JEJ?!?
>
>

I say that because he has a certain deliberation of movement which would
translate well as infirmity, especially for a character who never leaves his
chair. Then again, as an infrequent moviegoer, I may be way off the mark.
Opinions, anyone? (opinions in a Heinlein NG, Getouttahere!)

Danny Blue
*************************************
"You cannot enslave a free man,

the most you can do is kill him."
John Lyle, hero of Robert

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