Hi, I never used autocad architecture with 3d tools. I am a revit user and wonder, Autocad Architecture is a BIM software or not. Coz it has also intelligent objects and paremeters. But im not sure about collobortaion, central file etc. What is the difference Revit & Autocad Architecture within BIM context?
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Also the statement "NO" (to the question if AutoCAD Architecture is a BIM Software" is a most to hard answer without knowing details about the whole project ... I would say you can use it as part of a BIM project.
If you understand the software development terminology... think of AutoCAD ARCH as REVIT 1.0 (with all that it implies). BIM? yes. Sophisticated to be translated into building systems for the owner to use after you are done with the project? nope.
Are you thinking of switching or adding AutoCAD ARCH to your workflow? Don't do the latter, while the two software come from the same company, that's all they have in common: inter-operability leaves a lot to be desired.
AutoCAD Architecture organizes helps organize individual drawing files together into a project. Changes to geometry occur in constructs. Documentation and detailing occurs in view files. Plotting arrangement occurs in sheet files. You cannot change anything in any view since it is a one way flow, semi-automated. Users must refresh the project. To collaborate, individuals are responsible for individual files.
Revit is a single file structure (except with linked and shared projects). You can change things in most any view they show up in. To that degree Revit is more BIMish than AutoCAD Architecture but they both work well on real projects. The training curve on AutoCAD Architecture is steeper but most users already have AutoCAD experience and so only the extra features of AutoCAD Architecture need specialized training. In my opinion, detailing is easier in AutoCAD Architecture and modeling and scheduling is easier in Revit.
I strongly disagree that all parts of a project need to be on the same software. It should just look like its on the same software. I use AutoCAD, AutoCAD Architecture, Revit, 3dsMax. , GIMP, Adobe Acrobat, Premier Pro, etc. sometimes on the same project. The end result is what counts. Since I also prepare shop drawings, I see the end results of a lot of different A/E Offices, both small and large, and they almost always end up with PDF files of greatly varying quality, with some being very poor image scans even though you can tell they were done in BIM software. In some cases, I've found it easier to work with with good sketches than with CAD and BIM produced documentation.
Autocad Architecture (ACA) is very different to AutoCAD, to the point where you can consider it almost an entirely different platform. It has it's own object model, display system that is not dependent on layers, object/style data model and file management approximating a BIM system. In some ways it is more sophisticated than Revit, precision at small scale, and in others way behind.
The real difference is the change engine in Revit replaces ACA's reliance on operators to update changes. In most cases ACA will manage that change but it is using an elaborate web of AutoCAD technologies (xrefs, sheet set manager etc) to fake BIM Management.
AutoCAD is extremely powerful when it goes to high precision and high performance CAD work of any kind in the same multi-package. Combining AutoCAD Architecture and AutoCAD plain or even AutoCAD Civil3D a small business can quickly do extremely efficient work. The problem with Revit in small businesses is that it's extremely optimized for BUILDING INFORMATION without the maturity or capability of AutoCAD at efficiency of pure CAD so it can practically waste the time of a small business that does not need perfection in building information and they can usually be faster by using Architecture and plain CAD and avoid going with a package of higher BIM concepts since Architecture does some "BIMing" anyway and to be fair EVEN PLAIN AUTOCAD does in effect some "BIMing" if you only take full advantage of Fields let alone Blocks with dynamic coding.
1-When downloading the trial of AutoCAD architecture 2017 three versions loaded: global, imperial and metric. Are there differences in these? I draw myself house plans and wanted to know should I be using the imperial version and can the other two versions be deleted?
In what units do you want to work? If you want to work in feet and inches (with one drawing unit = 1 inch), then you would want to work in the Imperial profile. If you want to work in metric unit (one drawing unit = 1 mm, perhaps), then you would want to work in a Metric profile. The Global profile is a metric unit based profile with generic, non-localized content.
There is only one program; the different profiles set different content files (templates, source files for different styles and definitions) active, so that you are using content appropriate to the chosen units. Unless you are seriously short on hard drive space, there is no need to uninstall the content for the unit type you are not using.
I am familiar with and can recommend Paul Aubin's AutoCAD Architecture books. Unfortunately, the economics of the publishing industry today are such that many titles are not updated every year, like they used to be. The most recent of Paul's AutoCAD Architecture books was written for the 2011 release. For the basics of AutoCAD Architecture, you will be able to use that with AutoCAD Architecture 2017 and should not have any trouble following along. It will not, obviously, cover anything added since the 2011 release, but that should not interfere with learning the basics. The book is tutorial-based; you will work on two different projects, one residential and one commercial, as you move through the book.
I am an architect that has been working with atuocad for over 15 years, now i am having a chance to work with BIM software and fund that there are two main software that I can choose in between. "Atuodesk architecture" and "Revit". When I have asked around a lot of people told me that Revit is better and easier but you need to learn it from scratch and it doesn't have cad tools, while architecture is cad based and you can build your model from scratch up using the cad tools with addition.
I ususally design my projects from concept to 3d to 2d drwings in autocad. I am told I cn do the same thing in architecture only easier in 3D and you can use it as BIM. While revit has a totaly different approach.
- does revit have autcad tools such as lines, layers, dimensions.... or similarties or do i have to export it to autocad and do the 2d drawings? another words if i use revit do i need autocad anymore or there is no need for it.
I meant the team that is working on the development of "AUTODESK ARCHITECTURE". I want to ask them if they are working to find away to make BIM in the program as easy as the one in revit or better. also if they make rendering better.
That depends on what you mean by "transfer". Revit can export DWG files. DWG files can be linked into Revit (or imported, not a good idea, generally). Most people will tell you that the best workflows keep all of the work in one or the other, however.
Note that AEC objects in AutoCAD Architecture drawing files (Walls, Doors, Windows, etc.) cannot be read by Revit, so if you really need to link in a file that contains AEC objects, you will need to export that file to AutoCAD (from a viewpoint that shows what you want to see in Revit) to explode it down to AutoCAD objects that can be read by Revit. Note also that exports from Revit, while nominally plottable "as is" from AutoCAD and, possibly, usable as background reference files, will require an amount of post-export processing to get them to be "editable" as a CAD file moving forward. I have found that even for use as a background file, the DWG files exported Revit require post-export processing. I would highly recommend having the entire project team on the same platform.
The main problem with Revit is that a small business may waste their time with it. Some small businesses have to do all the works from Civil Engineering/Surveying to Architecture and they do not need the full range of bells and whistles of BIM while Revit is considerably less optimized and powerful for almost any kind of CAD work that resides outside building information. It should be also stressed that EVEN PLAIN AUTOCAD can in effect do some "BIMing" because you can take full advantage of Fields and Dynamic Blocks among other things.
I'm reviving this thread once more. I am curious as to what made you choose AutoCAD Architecture instead of transitioning to Revit, 6 years ago? And what make you stay in AutoCAD Architecture instead of using Revit?
I was notified of your comment as to me but it appears you've asked the original poster.
I'll give you my response as well.
I am still using ACA2020 which does mostly what I need it to do. My reasons to stick with ACA was that it does everything Revit does anyway so why pay more, take a big hit in training, reworking my whole setup, libraries, process etc which would mean a big financial hit, just to change programs so I can do what I do now. Revit gives me nothing extra. Not really. There needs to be a strong reason and it ain't there.
I've got off the bandwagon (no paying any sub) and will stick with ACA2020 for years to come. I will focus on the holes and tighten the workarounds, add some programming options . Every new release brought new bugs so now I won't have to contend with the new broken bits giving me nightmares. Autodesk has not improved ACA substantially for 10 years although there are a couple of small features that are nice. Not enough to pay more than $10,000AU for since that's more than the cost of the whole program.
They now give ACA away in Autocad. Hopefully that means more people will use it.
Autodesk deliberately dumbs down the rendering tools and while it's gone thru a number of reworks, they never really got it together and it's hobbled so as to not compete with Max but that's a stupid thing to do. It's a hodgepodge of broken bits from different eras.
I am now investigating free Blender which is far more powerful, and importing into Unreal engine or it's architectural derivative TwinMotion for rendering, sun studies and easy walkthru's. They are fast at manipulating 3D, far more powerful and a pleasure to use over Adesk which is like trying to get an elephant to sit in a child's chare without breaking it. Lumion even created a tool bar within Autocad that exports file formats that 3D programs use, something Adesk could easily have done but refused because they won't play with others, whilst crippling their own products.
ACA2020 is graphically slow and cumbersome, but Revit is not much better IF. My local industry is strong on ArchiCAD so if I were to start over I would possibly use it but it's over $10,000AU for 1 seat if you include local content etc. to get started. Blender now has free tools to create arch components but obviously not suitable as a full on Arch package (at least not yet). Sketchup has long been used as a very competent arch tool.
For me, Adesk has failed big time to meet current expectations and they have deliberately penalized me for their own marketing purposes and they have lost me as a loyal customer. But I am a single seat and they don't care.
I do like using ACA and I have customised to be efficient but it's failed on the extras side of things. It's atrocious for walkthroughs (embarrassing level) and it's rendering is now a decade behind. They even crippled what I was doing easily in ADT6 and ACA2016/17. Imagery plays a big part in winning clients over and offering to the market. Adesk failed. I'm done.