Mission Action Plan 2020 - lets talk about making a plan to get a pause to start planning a process...

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Jon Schwark

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Sep 24, 2015, 12:53:42 AM9/24/15
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Here is what the MEDA website says they will do:

Of course, their salaried employees and a lot of the "community" have been AHEM very busy, you know, shutting down approval meetings for projects that build a ton of affordable units, so they might not have had time to ACTUALLY get to the plan. 


Thoughts?

I feel like if this was my kid's homework, and going to the planning commission was playing video games, I'd lock them to their desk and make them work on their homewok ASAP. No games till it's done. They should have a 20 page report and a lot more to show by now.

Jon


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Sep 24, 2015, 1:22:46 AM9/24/15
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Actually, reading this I think they might actually have a semblance of a plan: a redevelopment agency.

Rafael Solari

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Sep 24, 2015, 11:27:42 AM9/24/15
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I think they're trying to solve a different problem than we are. 

We're trying to solve a regional housing shortage. They're trying to keep their community from being evicted. The problems are related, but they're not exactly the same. That's probably why everyone talks past each other in public hearings.

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Jon Schwark

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Sep 24, 2015, 11:46:45 AM9/24/15
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Can you (or anyone in MEDA or Plaza16 who is reading this) give more specifics on how this relates to a redevelopment agency? Could anything from this new (this week) state redevelopment law help them?:

Lawyers and Planners on the list?

Jon Schwark

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Sep 24, 2015, 11:50:27 AM9/24/15
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Good point. So maybe we can start to propose OUR OWN plan that accomplishes both. If they like it, great, they can use some of our ideas about how to maximize the housing in it. If they hate ours, fine, they can use it as a spur to get going on their own plan. Let's keep the discussion friendly and invite them to join.

:)

Jon


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:27:42 AM UTC-7, Rafael Solari wrote:
I think they're trying to solve a different problem than we are. 

We're trying to solve a regional housing shortage. They're trying to keep their community from being evicted. The problems are related, but they're not exactly the same. That's probably why everyone talks past each other in public hearings.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, 'Jon Schwark' via SFBA Renters Federation <SFBArentersfed@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Here is what the MEDA website says they will do:

Of course, their salaried employees and a lot of the "community" have been AHEM very busy, you know, shutting down approval meetings for projects that build a ton of affordable units, so they might not have had time to ACTUALLY get to the plan. 


Thoughts?

I feel like if this was my kid's homework, and going to the planning commission was playing video games, I'd lock them to their desk and make them work on their homewok ASAP. No games till it's done. They should have a 20 page report and a lot more to show by now.

Jon


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Christopher Worrall

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Sep 24, 2015, 4:15:57 PM9/24/15
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This line on page 2 stuck out:

In the absence of City investment in the neighborhood over the last 10 years, we've produced only seven percent affordable units. 

The 7% figure comes from an Anti-Eviction Mapping Project analysis, and refers to proposed and permitted units, not completed units.

Egan's report says on page 7:
According to data from the Planning Department, the new housing in the Mission over the 2001-2013 period has been split roughly 50:50 between market-rate and affordable.

I'm sure it was an honest mistake, but I thought I'd point it out.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:50 AM, 'Jon Schwark' via SFBA Renters Federation <SFBAren...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Good point. So maybe we can start to propose OUR OWN plan that accomplishes both. If they like it, great, they can use some of our ideas about how to maximize the housing in it. If they hate ours, fine, they can use it as a spur to get going on their own plan. Let's keep the discussion friendly and invite them to join.

:)

Jon


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:27:42 AM UTC-7, Rafael Solari wrote:
I think they're trying to solve a different problem than we are. 

We're trying to solve a regional housing shortage. They're trying to keep their community from being evicted. The problems are related, but they're not exactly the same. That's probably why everyone talks past each other in public hearings.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, 'Jon Schwark' via SFBA Renters Federation <SFBAren...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Here is what the MEDA website says they will do:

Of course, their salaried employees and a lot of the "community" have been AHEM very busy, you know, shutting down approval meetings for projects that build a ton of affordable units, so they might not have had time to ACTUALLY get to the plan. 


Thoughts?

I feel like if this was my kid's homework, and going to the planning commission was playing video games, I'd lock them to their desk and make them work on their homewok ASAP. No games till it's done. They should have a 20 page report and a lot more to show by now.

Jon


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Stephen Woods

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Sep 24, 2015, 4:17:49 PM9/24/15
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Seriously though, without resorting to conspiracies. If MEDA et al knew redevelopment agencies were coming back it all makes sense: pause until you can get a redevelopment agency and use that authority to fund and build on the target lots.




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Jon Schwark

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Sep 24, 2015, 4:32:16 PM9/24/15
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So this seems like one tic on the column of thinking about this document more as an editorializing piece than actual planning document? If they are twisting facts to make it look more urgent than it really is, that needs to be called out.

Jon


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 1:15:57 PM UTC-7, Christopher Worrall wrote:
This line on page 2 stuck out:

In the absence of City investment in the neighborhood over the last 10 years, we've produced only seven percent affordable units. 

The 7% figure comes from an Anti-Eviction Mapping Project analysis, and refers to proposed and permitted units, not completed units.

Egan's report says on page 7:
According to data from the Planning Department, the new housing in the Mission over the 2001-2013 period has been split roughly 50:50 between market-rate and affordable.

I'm sure it was an honest mistake, but I thought I'd point it out.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:50 AM, 'Jon Schwark' via SFBA Renters Federation <SFBArentersfed@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Good point. So maybe we can start to propose OUR OWN plan that accomplishes both. If they like it, great, they can use some of our ideas about how to maximize the housing in it. If they hate ours, fine, they can use it as a spur to get going on their own plan. Let's keep the discussion friendly and invite them to join.

:)

Jon


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:27:42 AM UTC-7, Rafael Solari wrote:
I think they're trying to solve a different problem than we are. 

We're trying to solve a regional housing shortage. They're trying to keep their community from being evicted. The problems are related, but they're not exactly the same. That's probably why everyone talks past each other in public hearings.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, 'Jon Schwark' via SFBA Renters Federation <SFBArentersfed@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Here is what the MEDA website says they will do:

Of course, their salaried employees and a lot of the "community" have been AHEM very busy, you know, shutting down approval meetings for projects that build a ton of affordable units, so they might not have had time to ACTUALLY get to the plan. 


Thoughts?

I feel like if this was my kid's homework, and going to the planning commission was playing video games, I'd lock them to their desk and make them work on their homewok ASAP. No games till it's done. They should have a 20 page report and a lot more to show by now.

Jon


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Tim McCormick

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Sep 24, 2015, 4:44:50 PM9/24/15
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maybe we can start to propose OUR OWN plan.. Let's keep the discussion friendly and invite them to join.
 
why everyone talks past each other in public hearings.


great idea. How concretely, might we do such collaborative proposal/document/policy drafting, both a) within SFBARF and b) shared with other groups? 

Seems we want some shared authoring tool, such as a wiki. That could be
  1. set up under SFBARF administration, e.g. a MediaWiki install on sfbarf.org or a Google doc owned by a member; (this allows editing & viewing to be controlled, obviously, which may be needed/wanted);  OR
  2. set up on an open 3rd-party platform, such as LocalWiki.org/sf/.
One or the other might also be used to collaboratively write SFBARF white paper(s):  Armand and I have been discussing this approach recently. I can help set up and admin if/as needed. 
thoughts? 
Tim 

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On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:50 AM, 'Jon Schwark' via SFBA Renters Federation <SFBAren...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Good point. So maybe we can start to propose OUR OWN plan that accomplishes both. If they like it, great, they can use some of our ideas about how to maximize the housing in it. If they hate ours, fine, they can use it as a spur to get going on their own plan. Let's keep the discussion friendly and invite them to join.

:)

Jon


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:27:42 AM UTC-7, Rafael Solari wrote:
I think they're trying to solve a different problem than we are. 

We're trying to solve a regional housing shortage. They're trying to keep their community from being evicted. The problems are related, but they're not exactly the same. That's probably why everyone talks past each other in public hearings.

Mike Schiraldi

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Sep 24, 2015, 4:54:35 PM9/24/15
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Tim McCormick <tmcco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seems we want some shared authoring tool, such as a wiki.

We have one, though currently it only has one page:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SFBARF/wiki/faq

If you'd like edit access, just make a reddit account and tell me its name.

(If we want to migrate to some other platform, I'm okay with that, too.)

Jon Schwark

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Oct 2, 2015, 5:17:52 PM10/2/15
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Id just like to invite people to post more specific thoughts about the Mission Action Plan here. Constructive ideas are especially welcome from people who have taken the time to read the plan as it exists so far. 

We are in the process of arranging a Mission District working group <<link (people who work or live in or around the Mission or have roots there), who will then have a meeting with planning department staff Re: the action plan.

The people in that group will read and assemble feedback from here and present it at the meeting.

Jon


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