Undoing the Doubters of the Climax Hoax. Peter Koenig
Carol Brouillet
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Undoing the Doubters of the Climax Hoax. Peter Koenig
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The indoctrination of the climate change hoax has been so well prepared, and for so long, and with billions and billions of dollars by professional social and mind engineers (i.e., the UK-based Tavistock Institute) and with the collaboration of the entire UN system – it is virtually impossible to convince the smartest, most educated, and most honest people that they have been lured into a trap.
Even when they see that something is not quite right, their quiet inner mind tells them, “Cannot be; impossible that the government, and my scientist friends lie to me…”
It is self-denial – as self-protection.
Admitting that one has been betrayed for most of one’s life would be too shameful no matter how many others were lured and lied into the same trap. Admission, might be interpreted as meaning, that we are not smart. Nobody wants to be “un-smart.”
It is true, though, that over the past three decades or so, the lie-talk, coming from governments, international bodies like the UN, and repeated at nauseatum by the mainstream media, is so pervasive that doubting it is not only “uncool”, but more so, socially and politically incorrect.
Hardly anybody wants to be socially and politically incorrect.
You are soon considered an outcast. Nobody wants to be an outcast.
The truth is, today about 90% of the official narrative, emanating from supposedly expert institutions, and from the authorities paid by your taxes – are lies, false, fake, manipulated – so you will not know the truth, so you will obey the orders that follow the lies.
Let us illuminate some facts about climate change.
1. The climate changes all the time – usually in “waves” of 15 – 20,000- or so years, with smaller cycles in between. Therefore, climate changes are slow, so slow that life on earth can naturally adapt, without hardly noticing anything in our short human lifespan of some 80 years.
2. More than 90%, some scientists say, between 95% and 97% of climate change is caused by solar activities, which also come in cycles. Real scientists say that human activities, industries, cars, agriculture – even military (which the mainstream never mentions – in the COP meetings [see below on COP] it is strictly forbidden to talk about the military CO2 output) – produce less than 0.3% of CO2, unnoticeable because any excesses are absorbed by the seas.
The seas also release CO2 when forests, mainly rainforests, and trees in general need more for their survival – CO2 being vital food for trees, which, in turn produce the oxygen from which most life on earth lives. A perfectly balanced symbiosis. Mother Earth knows what she is doing.
3. The key is – there is of course an agenda behind the so-called manmade CO2 caused “climate change” when Al Gore made the round in the early 2000s with his propaganda climate speeches, including at the World Bank and other international agencies, it was called “global warming”, then the narrative changed because you can do more with a both-sided, cooling and warming, “climate change”.
This idea dates back to the Club of Rome, their infamous 1972 report “Limits to Growth”. The Club’s first objective, as stated in the Report, is population reduction by more than 90% so that the earth’s non-renewable resources will last longer for a small elite. As simple as that.
“Limits to Growth” is still today the blueprint for the Great Reset / UN Agenda 2030. So, the population reduction narrative is still alive and well – as you know. The eugenists, Gates and Rockefellers et al, are quite omni-present.
See also this – quite recent, from an author of “limits to Growth”:
Club of Rome “Limits to Growth” Author Promotes Genocide of 86% of the World’s Population
By Rhoda Wilson, July 08, 2023
Dennis Meadows, one of the main authors of the Club of Rome’s The Limits to Growth, is a member of the World Economic Forum. (4 May 2023)
That is where also plandemics with forced and coerces killer vaxxes come in, which will leave – according to Mike Yeadon, former VP Pfizer, then also in charge of Pfizer Research – potentially billions of people dead in the next 5-10 years. An estimated 70% of the world population was vaccinated.
Almost nobody will be able to trace the excess mortality back to the vaxxes because the causes of death will be so many, and so diverse, that there is no clearly discernible pattern for the common cause. Scientists will be coerced to shut up – as was the case with the fake vaxxes and PCR tests.
That is one of the reasons why there were between 5 to10 different versions of vaxxes circulating, so they can see which potions cause what kind of disease and death – and how effective and efficient the different bio-chemical compositions of vaxxes are in increasing mortality.
*
Manmade “climate change” is one of the instruments imagined by “Limits to Growth” for the elite to live longer and better lives, with longer-lasting non-renewable resources.
It is also a perfect tool to
(i) help decimate population, through droughts, floods, famine; extreme hurricanes, cattle killing heatwaves, and more;
(ii) earthquakes and their devastating consequences (Haiti 2010; Turkey earlier this year and Morocco a few months ago, most likely Afghanistan and Nepal too, are suspected having been geoengineered.)
So that people believe in climate change, the climate literally MUST change – at least on the surface – when it is all done, maybe in 10 or 20 years (their agenda 2030 plan – which they will NOT achieve, ever), they might think of going back to the “normal sun-caused climate change” cycles.
The climate agenda was made public by the 1992 UN-sponsored “Earth Summit” in Rio. For some 30+ years we have been indoctrinated with the idea that the climate is changing because of our climate-unfriendly habits, including the use of carbon-based energy sources.
The propaganda worked well. During annual COP Conferences around the world, the cabal behind the governments lied to us what the targets should be in reduced CO2 output so the world would not collapse. But no government ever follows the rules to meet the targets.
IAEA at the United Nations Climate Change Conference 2022 in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt. 9 November 2022 Photo Credit: David Nieto / IAEA (Licensed under CC BY 2.0)
By now, we have had up to now 27 COP conferences, the last one in 2022 in Egypt, the next one is in December 2023 in Dubai. Nothing has changed and nothing will change, and the earth is still intact. But the criminal myth will be kept alive for the masses.
COP – stands for Conference of the Parties. It is the body of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) which aims to “guide the efforts of the countries that are parties of the Convention to act against climate change“.
This description alone says it all. It is the epitome of hypocrisy, as no government, nor any international institutions believe in it, hence, they coerce people to abandon their life styles, forcing them out of agriculture, of traveling, forcing them to live in 15-minute-cities (where car travel beyond 15-minutes per day is forbidden) – and more – while the elite ignores such rules, jetting around the globe in their private jets, as if there was no tomorrow.
*
In the 1990s, about 87% of all the world’s energy used came from “CO2-emitting” hydrocarbons. Guess what, in 2023 almost the same percentage – about 85% still comes from hydrocarbons – the minuscule difference is well within the margin of error.
Despite the ad nauseam condemnation of CO2-producing hydrocarbons, the world economy could not survive without it.
Hypocrisy at its best, the European Union, “sanctioning” Russia by not buying their gas, has, in fact, imported in 2022 from Russia the second largest amount of gas since 2014. Some of the shipments were routed through India and other countries. See this.
Since the early 1940’s, the science of “climate change”, as in geoengineering the weather, the climate science has been perfected. In a 1962 Harvard graduation speech, then VP Lyndon Johnson said,
“in 2025 the US will control the weather, and who controls the weather will control the world”. Watch video below.
We are almost in 2025, and according to the Spanish State Meteorological Agency – AEMET, weather modification or geoengineering practices, to different degrees, are known by about 50 countries in the world, first, of course, the US, Russia, and China, but also Spain, and other EU countries possess the technology. See this.
The best known agency for geoengineering is the US Airforce-controlled HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program). HAARP works in the ionosphere. And is, as indicated earlier, capable of triggering earthquakes, when deemed “necessary” by the masters of the universe.
“Geoengineers” are artificially melting the ice in the Nord Pole as well as Antarctica, and that of the glaciers – just to make believe that the climate is changing. Documentaries will show you, indeed, how the glaciers and North and South Pole ice disappears – and how polar bears have a hard life ahead.
That is the extent to which they go to carry out their agenda. This climate change program probably costs trillions of dollars – peoples’ tax money spent for willful destruction of Mother Earth’s protective shields and most importantly her environmental equilibrium.
No money is too much to stop them from doing what they are doing, attempting to annihilate life on earth. But whenever that happens – we are about the 6th or 7th Civilization, Mother Earth protects herself by letting civilizations collapse. The previous ones have all disappeared, probably for human greed, egocentricities, power thirst — you name it. Our’s will not be different, if
We, the People, are unable to stop it.
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In August 2022, a conference in Switzerland focused on several controversial topics, addressed by scientists and true experts in their field.
One of them was a physicist, professor of a Swiss top university, specialized in climate and the science to modify it. He opened his speech by saying,
“You all know that our climate is manipulated, but I will explain to you how it’s done…”
Then he proceeded showing pages of pages of patents for chemicals and their combinations – used mostly in the Ionosphere, where the weather is made. He also explained what you see as “chemtrails” – and what they are doing to the climate / weather and not least to human health.
Geoengineering climate is like weaponizing the weather, it’s more efficient than nuclear explosions because it can be targeted precisely to the country or region where you want major damage to occur; and it does not leave radioactive fallouts for years to come. The Pakistan extended monsoon of 2022, was a case in point. It destroyed almost all food crops, infrastructure, housing, causing extreme poverty – and death.
It also deviated people’s attention from taking to the streets by the millions, asking to return their elected Prime Minister Imran Khan, who served as PM of Pakistanis from August 2018 until April 2022, when he was deposed by a Parliamentary Coup, orchestrated by the United States.
The climate professor also talked about electromagnetic power-waves – emitted with enormous strength from satellites – reaching up to 17-20 km below the surface. That is how earthquakes are triggered, even in areas where there are no fault lines – for example, in the recent Turkey / Syria earthquake region.
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Social and mind manipulation is a science-driven to perfection in the last 80 some years by the UK-based Tavistock Institute (see Daniel Estulin’s book, “The Tavistock Institute: Social Engineering and Mind Manipulation”), as well as by DARPA, the Pentagon thinktank. This is done through media, schools, everyday debates among people — in a way of “divide to conquer” — all is well thought out and driven to excellence.
Many people still may not believe you, if you told them.
It explains, though, why the Climate Hoax is indeed a Climate Hoax.
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Peter Koenig is a geopolitical analyst and a former Senior Economist at the World Bank and the World Health Organization (WHO), where he worked for over 30 years around the world. He is the author of Implosion – An Economic Thriller about War, Environmental Destruction and Corporate Greed; and co-author of Cynthia McKinney’s book “When China Sneezes: From the Coronavirus Lockdown to the Global Politico-Economic Crisis” (Clarity Press – November 1, 2020).
Peter is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG). He is also a non-resident Senior Fellow of the Chongyang Institute of Renmin University, Beijing.
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The indoctrination of the climate change hoax has been so well prepared, and for so long, and with billions and billions of dollars by professional social and mind engineers (i.e., the UK-based Tavistock Institute) and with the collaboration of the entire UN system – it is virtually impossible to convince the smartest, most educated, and most honest people that they have been lured into a trap.
Even when they see that something is not quite right, their quiet inner mind tells them, “Cannot be; impossible that the government, and my scientist friends lie to me…”
It is self-denial – as self-protection.
Admitting that one has been betrayed for most of one’s life would be too shameful no matter how many others were lured and lied into the same trap. Admission, might be interpreted as meaning, that we are not smart. Nobody wants to be “un-smart.”
It is true, though, that over the past three decades or so, the lie-talk, coming from governments, international bodies like the UN, and repeated at nauseatum by the mainstream media, is so pervasive that doubting it is not only “uncool”, but more so, socially and politically incorrect.
Hardly anybody wants to be socially and politically incorrect.
You are soon considered an outcast. Nobody wants to be an outcast.
The truth is, today about 90% of the official narrative, emanating from supposedly expert institutions, and from the authorities paid by your taxes – are lies, false, fake, manipulated – so you will not know the truth, so you will obey the orders that follow the lies.
Let us illuminate some facts about climate change.
1. The climate changes all the time – usually in “waves” of 15 – 20,000- or so years, with smaller cycles in between. Therefore, climate changes are slow, so slow that life on earth can naturally adapt, without hardly noticing anything in our short human lifespan of some 80 years.
2. More than 90%, some scientists say, between 95% and 97% of climate change is caused by solar activities, which also come in cycles. Real scientists say that human activities, industries, cars, agriculture – even military (which the mainstream never mentions – in the COP meetings [see below on COP] it is strictly forbidden to talk about the military CO2 output) – produce less than 0.3% of CO2, unnoticeable because any excesses are absorbed by the seas.
The seas also release CO2 when forests, mainly rainforests, and trees in general need more for their survival – CO2 being vital food for trees, which, in turn produce the oxygen from which most life on earth lives. A perfectly balanced symbiosis. Mother Earth knows what she is doing.
3. The key is – there is of course an agenda behind the so-called manmade CO2 caused “climate change” when Al Gore made the round in the early 2000s with his propaganda climate speeches, including at the World Bank and other international agencies, it was called “global warming”, then the narrative changed because you can do more with a both-sided, cooling and warming, “climate change”.
This idea dates back to the Club of Rome, their infamous 1972 report “Limits to Growth”. The Club’s first objective, as stated in the Report, is population reduction by more than 90% so that the earth’s non-renewable resources will last longer for a small elite. As simple as that.
“Limits to Growth” is still today the blueprint for the Great Reset / UN Agenda 2030. So, the population reduction narrative is still alive and well – as you know. The eugenists, Gates and Rockefellers et al, are quite omni-present.
See also this – quite recent, from an author of “limits to Growth”:
Club of Rome “Limits to Growth” Author Promotes Genocide of 86% of the World’s Population
By Rhoda Wilson, July 08, 2023
Dennis Meadows, one of the main authors of the Club of Rome’s The Limits to Growth, is a member of the World Economic Forum. (4 May 2023)
That is where also plandemics with forced and coerces killer vaxxes come in, which will leave – according to Mike Yeadon, former VP Pfizer, then also in charge of Pfizer Research – potentially billions of people dead in the next 5-10 years. An estimated 70% of the world population was vaccinated.
Almost nobody will be able to trace the excess mortality back to the vaxxes because the causes of death will be so many, and so diverse, that there is no clearly discernible pattern for the common cause. Scientists will be coerced to shut up – as was the case with the fake vaxxes and PCR tests.
That is one of the reasons why there were between 5 to10 different versions of vaxxes circulating, so they can see which potions cause what kind of disease and death – and how effective and efficient the different bio-chemical compositions of vaxxes are in increasing mortality.
*
Manmade “climate change” is one of the instruments imagined by “Limits to Growth” for the elite to live longer and better lives, with longer-lasting non-renewable resources.
It is also a perfect tool to
(i) help decimate population, through droughts, floods, famine; extreme hurricanes, cattle killing heatwaves, and more;
(ii) earthquakes and their devastating consequences (Haiti 2010; Turkey earlier this year and Morocco a few months ago, most likely Afghanistan and Nepal too, are suspected having been geoengineered.)
So that people believe in climate change, the climate literally MUST change – at least on the surface – when it is all done, maybe in 10 or 20 years (their agenda 2030 plan – which they will NOT achieve, ever), they might think of going back to the “normal sun-caused climate change” cycles.
The climate agenda was made public by the 1992 UN-sponsored “Earth Summit” in Rio. For some 30+ years we have been indoctrinated with the idea that the climate is changing because of our climate-unfriendly habits, including the use of carbon-based energy sources.
The propaganda worked well. During annual COP Conferences around the world, the cabal behind the governments lied to us what the targets should be in reduced CO2 output so the world would not collapse. But no government ever follows the rules to meet the targets.
IAEA at the United Nations Climate Change Conference 2022 in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt. 9 November 2022 Photo Credit: David Nieto / IAEA (Licensed under CC BY 2.0)
By now, we have had up to now 27 COP conferences, the last one in 2022 in Egypt, the next one is in December 2023 in Dubai. Nothing has changed and nothing will change, and the earth is still intact. But the criminal myth will be kept alive for the masses.
COP – stands for Conference of the Parties. It is the body of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) which aims to “guide the efforts of the countries that are parties of the Convention to act against climate change“.
This description alone says it all. It is the epitome of hypocrisy, as no government, nor any international institutions believe in it, hence, they coerce people to abandon their life styles, forcing them out of agriculture, of traveling, forcing them to live in 15-minute-cities (where car travel beyond 15-minutes per day is forbidden) – and more – while the elite ignores such rules, jetting around the globe in their private jets, as if there was no tomorrow.
*
In the 1990s, about 87% of all the world’s energy used came from “CO2-emitting” hydrocarbons. Guess what, in 2023 almost the same percentage – about 85% still comes from hydrocarbons – the minuscule difference is well within the margin of error.
Despite the ad nauseam condemnation of CO2-producing hydrocarbons, the world economy could not survive without it.
Hypocrisy at its best, the European Union, “sanctioning” Russia by not buying their gas, has, in fact, imported in 2022 from Russia the second largest amount of gas since 2014. Some of the shipments were routed through India and other countries. See this.
Since the early 1940’s, the science of “climate change”, as in geoengineering the weather, the climate science has been perfected. In a 1962 Harvard graduation speech, then VP Lyndon Johnson said,
“in 2025 the US will control the weather, and who controls the weather will control the world”. Watch video below.
[To watch this 7:13 minute video, go to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdHG6iJ59-U ]
Richard
Hey,
can one of you who knows PLEASE define what you mean by:
"Climate Hoax"
And therefore what does it mean to say "Undoing the Doubters of the Climax
Hoax."
And no, I'm not spending my scarce time reading other stuff; if you can't
define it in short order, well?!
Thanks,
RT
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023, Richard Tamm wrote:
> Subject: Re: SF911Truth: Undoing the Doubters of the Climax Hoax. Peter Koenig
> Hi, everyone.
>
> I'm resending this article to everyone because I just copied it into an
> email but included pictures and links to a couple of videos that were in the
> article that Carol did not include in her copy.
> - Rich
>
> at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/undoing-doubters-climax-hoax/5840114
>
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Dana Carson
It is hard to find a modern scientific theory that is better supported by evidence than the theory that humans burning carbon is causing heat trapping gases to accumulate in the atmosphere, and thereby causing BOTH global warming and climate change.
Guess this will have to be brought up AGAIN as an "AGENDA" item.
Only it's about SCIENCE, not an AGENDA.
Dana
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Lou Anne McKeefery
Dana Carson
On Nov 17, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Lou Anne McKeefery <lou...@mckeefery.com> wrote:
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[To watch this 10:31 minute video, go to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbo6uvJBtZg ]
That is where also plandemics with forced and coerces killer vaxxes come in, which will leave – according to Mike Yeadon, former VP Pfizer, then also in charge of Pfizer Research – potentially billions of people dead in the next 5-10 years. An estimated 70% of the world population was vaccinated.
Almost nobody will be able to trace the excess mortality back to the vaxxes because the causes of death will be so many, and so diverse, that there is no clearly discernible pattern for the common cause. Scientists will be coerced to shut up – as was the case with the fake vaxxes and PCR tests.
That is one of the reasons why there were between 5 to10 different versions of vaxxes circulating, so they can see which potions cause what kind of disease and death – and how effective and efficient the different bio-chemical compositions of vaxxes are in increasing mortality.
*
Manmade “climate change” is one of the instruments imagined by “Limits to Growth” for the elite to live longer and better lives, with longer-lasting non-renewable resources.
It is also a perfect tool to
(i) help decimate population, through droughts, floods, famine; extreme hurricanes, cattle killing heatwaves, and more;
(ii) earthquakes and their devastating consequences (Haiti 2010; Turkey earlier this year and Morocco a few months ago, most likely Afghanistan and Nepal too, are suspected having been geoengineered.)
So that people believe in climate change, the climate literally MUST change – at least on the surface – when it is all done, maybe in 10 or 20 years (their agenda 2030 plan – which they will NOT achieve, ever), they might think of going back to the “normal sun-caused climate change” cycles.
The climate agenda was made public by the 1992 UN-sponsored “Earth Summit” in Rio. For some 30+ years we have been indoctrinated with the idea that the climate is changing because of our climate-unfriendly habits, including the use of carbon-based energy sources.
The propaganda worked well. During annual COP Conferences around the world, the cabal behind the governments lied to us what the targets should be in reduced CO2 output so the world would not collapse. But no government ever follows the rules to meet the targets.
IAEA at the United Nations Climate Change Conference 2022 in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt. 9 November 2022 Photo Credit: David Nieto / IAEA (Licensed under CC BY 2.0)
By now, we have had up to now 27 COP conferences, the last one in 2022 in Egypt, the next one is in December 2023 in Dubai. Nothing has changed and nothing will change, and the earth is still intact. But the criminal myth will be kept alive for the masses.
COP – stands for Conference of the Parties. It is the body of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) which aims to “guide the efforts of the countries that are parties of the Convention to act against climate change“.
This description alone says it all. It is the epitome of hypocrisy, as no government, nor any international institutions believe in it, hence, they coerce people to abandon their life styles, forcing them out of agriculture, of traveling, forcing them to live in 15-minute-cities (where car travel beyond 15-minutes per day is forbidden) – and more – while the elite ignores such rules, jetting around the globe in their private jets, as if there was no tomorrow.
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Richard Tamm
Hi, everyone and Dana.I agree, Lou Anne. While I appreciate the passion with which you, Dana, express your beliefs, I can still hear you yelling at us with almost every printed word in your emails on this subject. Maybe that's just me. But I am tired of it.What I love about this group is that, since we have all come to the conclusion with 9/11 that the government really does lie to us and is willing to murder some of us to advance their dreams of empire, we are all a lot more open to questions of them lying to us in many different ways on many different subjects such as lying us into every war since forever, OK City Murrah building bombing, all the assassinations of the 60's, the pandemic and c-19 vaccines and boosters, chemtrails, HAARP, etc., even the moon landing.Since they have lied to us about almost everything, I think it is mandatory for us to question everything, especially subjects that we have just been taking for granted that we've learned about only through the mainstream media and the government, and has been told and retold for so many decades that it must be true because it has been accepted for so long. And that is now including the whole question of global warming. Is it really real? And is it caused by humans? I would like us to be able to discuss it without anyone responding with things like "complete nonsense" and "unscientific propaganda and pseudoscience", etc.Dana, I hope you can contain yourself while we delve into this, and that you can join us in a fresh exploration of this subject, no matter how certain you are of the establishment and generally accepted point of view. We really need to be able to do this to come to our own point of view. And, in the end, it may corroborate a lot of what you say, just in a more nuanced and complex way. But then again, it may not. But I for one want myself and all of us to dig into this a lot more, regardless of where it takes us.With respect for all, including you, Dana,- Rich
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Richard
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023, Lou Anne McKeefery wrote:
>
> Richard, thanks for sharing this. I didn't know the ocean will maintain our
> CO2 levels.
The problem there isn't whether the oceans will EVENTUALLY absorb most of
that excess CO2, it's that pesky word "maintain."
I just MUST "call bullshit" on that one. It's SUCH A RIDICULOUS assertion.
The trouble is that the vast majority of all that calcium and other
minerals that can absorb CO2 are, in bulk, in solid form and the CO2 in
the atmosphere is in gaseous form AND there's a water barrier between the
two.
FIRST, the oceans need to be saturated (at which point we have a
run-away CO2 problem - actually, any time the RATE of ocean up-take is
exceeded by new CO2 release into the atmosphere, this occurs) before the
chemistry to create, for example, calcium carbonate, can kick into
high-gear to a maximal amount.
YES, over MILLENNIA, after we've stopped adding to the atmospheric CO2,
the carbon will be absorbed.
As I have said before, the issue isn't the long-term it's the short term:
What we're doing is at a rate that's NEVER occurred before in Earth's
history and the physics dictate that that carbon up-take will happen FAR
slower than the the simple burning of a combustible liquid on the surface.
THE ISSUE IS THE RATE OF CHANGE.
On the one hand, the (mostly) burning of these fuels creating CO2 is
nearly instantaneous and the up-take of that CO2 takes millennia.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY ARM-CHAIR SCIENTIST AND MAKE CLAIMS LIKE:
"Oh, we don't have to worry! The Oceans will save us!" You've GOT to do
your homework better than this in order NOT to be called out for
spreading BLATANT LIES!
Sorry, but just repeating intentional lies does NOBODY service EXCEPT the
fossil fuel companies.
Richard Troy
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Richard
All of Dana's email below is correct except one point, I'll get to below:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023, 'Dana Carson' via sf911truth wrote:
>
> It is not true that the Ocean will “maintain” our CO2 levels. It is true
> that the oceans absorb a lot of CO2, and it is true that this phenomenon
> slows its accumulation in the atmosphere, which in turn protects us from
> even greater atmospheric heat retention. But this comes at a huge cost:
> Carbonic acid in the oceans is lowering the pH of the water, which in turn
> puts enormous stress on organisms that create their shells from dissolved
> calcium, since the low pH increases the solubility of calcium.
> But this SLOWS the accumulation in the atmosphere; it does NOT balance it
> out. We have seen a fifty percent increase in atmospheric CO2; that’s
> hardly tantamount to “maintaining” the levels.
>
> And with atmospheric carbon dioxide levels up 50%, we are slowing daily heat
> escape dramatically, slowly but surely warming the oceans. When oceans warm
> they support less dissolved oxygen, creating danger zones where animals die
> quickly if they enter the zones. When warmed water gets swept down to the
> bottom, the upwelling of oxygen-rich waters is less effective at supporting
> complex food webs like the spectacular ones in Monterey Canyon.
>
> And for those who inevitably (but correctly) point out that water vapor is
> the strongest common greenhouse gas, the water vapor would disappear very
> quickly without the stabilizing influence of the CO2. The planet would
> freeze.
>
> THAT is how important carbon dioxide really is: a vital atmospheric
> greenhouse gas and now we’ve got WAAAYYYY too much of it.
>
> Dana
>
more soluable actually helps the overall absorption rate because in solid form,
the chemistry is PAINFULLY slow.
However, you correctly note the other hazards of a low PH.
IN SHORT: We're destroying the whole damned web of life that comprises the
CURRENT biosphere.
Why the hell would anyone want to support THAT?! And THAT is what
spreading intentional lies is doing - not that the spreaders KNOW that's
what they're doing. But you can be sure the originators of them do.
I guess there are more Judases out there who "know not what they do" - I think
that's how Jesus put it, right?
Richard
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Peter Gill wrote:
>
> Scott don't forget that some of us are hard of hearing.
>
Thanks, Peter; with an untimely sip of coffee mixed with a good laugh at
that one, well... I appreciate the chuckle!
RT
Richard
Richard
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Richard Tamm wrote:
>
> Thanks, Richard.
> I think you are right. Obviously some of the claims that global warming is a
> hoax are definitely flat-earth wrong.
> I personally know that I haven't even begun to do a serious study of the
> matter. But, since we know we have been lied to
> about just about everything, we cannot just blithely accept everything about
> climate change from scientists and scientific organizations that are paid
> for and controlled by known liars.
> - Rich
I agree that we've been lied to, time and again, "by government." However,
I remind that "the government" isn't one thing. It's not one person and
it's not a true entity unto itself; it's controlled by the ultra-rich,
always has, and perhaps always will. Yet, I'll also remind that sometimes
they don't always get what they want - the ultra-rich I mean.
I, personally, have _never_ "blithely accepted" pretty much anything in my
entire life, and certainly not the science of global climate change. I've
been a participant in the latter subject and therefore can assure you, for
whatever that's worth, that the _vast_ majority of these people
buck-the-system on a regular basis, and especially so the younger people
who've been entering the field since the mid '90s.
Let us not be victims of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, when, for once, there
really _is_ a wolf at the door!
Plus, I'll be glad to help anyone who puts some genuine effort into
understanding this topic. It's not that hard to understand the basics. So,
start there. Understanding the whole field just isn't necessary, or even
big chunks of it. ...I recommend starting with the transparency of our
atmosphere to light but not heat (infrared). Once you've got that, well,
it's about all you need to at least have the basics.
Richard