MegaStar 5.0.15

[Jeff Gortatowsky]

FYI

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Emil has kindly made available a distribution of Megastar 5..0.15

 

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Here is a link to download MegaStar:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9nv3s5vi2yawahn/AAAsw8UqO2m6nSUFjkPIG5XJa?dl=0&lst=

 

 

Feel free to post and share.  Anyone else can share it as well.  Thanks very much.

 

Emil

 

[David Staples]

Jeff, 

Could you give a quick recap of what you think the advantages of MegaStar are?

Cheers,

Dave

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[Jeff Gortatowsky]

Who me??? Have an opinion????? LOL!

Well it does not crash on me like Skytools always does (I know, I know, a dead horse being beaten! And not the same type of software)  :)  

But there really is no 'advantage'. I suppose modern tools are ... well... more modern! 

In its defense: It is fast, simple, and runs on less than new hardware. And it is free (now). :)  

It has good, but dated DSO DBs but hey, they don't move that much. :) It's almost completely operable from the keyboard. 

I know there are others here that used it more but have moved on.

And there are things that are broken, like I think the comets and asteroid downloads as well as the DSS...

But again, its free. And if you don't like it, just trash the root folder. 

Clear skies!

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[David Staples]

I'm never one to argue with free.  I tried a couple of free planetarium programs, Cartes du Ciel and HNSky.  Of the two I prefer HNSky.   I'm not using them to drive scopes, just planning and printing finder charts.  Now I'll play with MegaStar...after all it's free.

Dave

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[Jeff Gortatowsky]

I'll be honest, HnSky and Cartes Du Ciel are two of my favorites.  Add the GAIA databases and clusters literally LOOK LIKE CLUSTERS. While still very large on disk, the HNSKY formatted GAIA database at 16 or 17 magnitude makes the view LOOK like the view! The only thing I can say is both are not as intuitive to me as SkyMap Pro (But I have been using SMP since v5). And SMP v12 is old. I really really want to get to know Cartes Du Ciel better now, with that deep a stellar database, star hopping even in dense fields might be the doddle! I still sort of struggle with iPad apps at the scope. Their UI just never seems to "Get out of my way" and let me find this object! In that sense, I have always learned to love Paul Alsing's books, or a photo copy of a page from Alvin Huey's books. Put the correct fov circle on it and take it up the ladder to the EP! 

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[Akarsh Simha]

I have never used MegaStar (I use Linux, but now that there's a free version, maybe I'll try running it on WINE), but I've seen some of the most serious deep-sky observers swear by it. I think the main advantages of MegaStar 5 are:

1. Mitchell Anonymous Catalog -- Houston-based deep-sky visual expert, Larry Mitchell, made a catalog of galaxies that he found on POSS plates that did not have designations at that time. Now almost every one of these galaxies have a 2MASS, SDSS or LEDA designation, but many amateur astronomers who use MegaStar quote MAC designations. MAC designations are RA/Dec but they are on some non-J2000 epoch (haven't dug into it). AFAIK, Larry and Willmann-Bell signed some sort of agreement that it would be exclusively available in MegaStar, owing to which the MAC is not accessible without MegaStar. Now that Willmann-Bell is no more, I don't know what Larry plans to do with his catalog. But for now, MegaStar I believe remains the only way to get MAC designations. (For this reason, a few other amateur astronomers and I avoid MAC designations, going with official LEDA/SDSS/2MASS designations instead)

2. RealSky support -- this is a huge one for anyone who likes having POSS plates for reference on the field, although Cartes du Ciel also supports it.

3. ServoCAT goto -- MegaStar supports ServoCAT and Argo Navis afaik.

4. Ability to rotate the sky map -- believe it or not, some software (including my favorite KStars) do not support this feature. I think Cartes does. This is useful to map what you're seeing in the eyepiece to the POSS plate.

5. Every damn catalog -- MegaStar has CGCG, PGC, ... -- but so does Cartes.

Regards

Akarsh

[Akarsh Simha]

Shameless plug. I used to be an active contributor and former maintainer of a project called KStars -- https://edu.kde.org/kstars/ -- but I hardly find the time between work and other astronomy projects to contribute to it of late. I tell myself I'll go back and fix a few more things once my present side projects are done.

Thanks to the efforts of the present maintainer, Jasem Mutlaq, I'm told that KStars is amongst the best software for astrophotography, and it will run smoothly on a Raspberry Pi. As for visual observing, it still has some features that are mostly inspired by my requirements:

1. 100 Million stars down to 16th-magnitude. Download the USNO NOMAD add-on.

2. Seamless integration with SIMBAD. Who needs catalogs anymore, when (if you have an internet connection), all of SIMBAD is accessible through the software? Type any object designation that is known to SIMBAD into the "Find" dialog, and it'll automatically fetch the info from SIMBAD, put it in the local database, and center it as if it knew about it all along.

3. Good integration with DSS and SDSS -- you can fetch DSS images for any part of the sky. But more usefully, you can pre-download DSS images for all objects in your observing list before you go observing with the click of a button.

4. Eyepiece view -- this is still a tad clunky -- but you can ask KStars to simulate the eyepiece view through your dob, provided your dob has a focuser that's on the right side (looking from the top) and square with the body of the scope (all Obsessions qualify, StarStructure does not). You can then overlay the map with a POSS image if needed.

5. HiPS -- Hierarchical Progressive Surveys -- if you have an internet connection, it can fetch tiles of DSS images and render them overlaying the skymap on it.

6. Sorting of objects by RA / Transit Time / % of max altitude achieved -- if you add objects to the observation planner, you can easily find which ones are well-placed. My favorite metric is "% of max altitude achieved", which also has a "demote objects in the hole" for Dob users.

7. Cross platform -- it'll run on Windows, Linux, MacOS, ... there was even an Android port but nobody maintains it anymore.

Regards

Akarsh

[Rajah]

I use KStars on RPi (remote server mode). I use a windows laptop to remote in. I really like KStars, esp packaged with astroberry image. The only other software that I like better is NINA (but that requires windows). Thanks for your contributions Akarsh!!!

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[Jeff Gortatowsky]

Akarsh I am in LOVE WITH YOU!!! :)

"Ability to rotate the sky map"

I have given up telling people how I can not use software that does not allow me to arbitrarily rotate the field of view - EASILY. It makes NO sense. 

SkyMap Pro has always had this on the keyboard. I use it ALL THE TIME. It is one of the things most astro-software lacks because the author  I suppose:

A) thinks they know better, and besides the display shows you the correct orientation right? (even tho it does not - no matter what they say)

B) does not really use their code to starhop 

C) Whatever :)

I mean I was just writing about holding a piece of paper with a DSS image and a 1/2* FOV circle on it. If you are using a non-mirror reversing telescope 

you match the FOV by rotating the piece of paper at the eyepiece! Does it get any simpler than that? SMP PgUp and PgDn. Hold the shift key to rotate faster! 

Sigh...

Clear skies Akarsh!

[Akarsh Simha]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:26 PM Jeff Gortatowsky <jeff.gor...@gmail.com> wrote:

Akarsh I am in LOVE WITH YOU!!! :)

"Ability to rotate the sky map"

I have given up telling people how I can not use software that does not allow me to arbitrarily rotate the field of view - EASILY. It makes NO sense. 

SkyMap Pro has always had this on the keyboard. I use it ALL THE TIME. It is one of the things most astro-software lacks because the author  I suppose:

A) thinks they know better, and besides the display shows you the correct orientation right? (even tho it does not - no matter what they say)

B) does not really use their code to starhop 

C) Whatever :)

I mean I was just writing about holding a piece of paper with a DSS image and a 1/2* FOV circle on it. If you are using a non-mirror reversing telescope 

you match the FOV by rotating the piece of paper at the eyepiece! Does it get any simpler than that? SMP PgUp and PgDn. Hold the shift key to rotate faster! 

It does get better than that! I have a piece of code that automatically rotates the DSS image to match your telescope eyepiece view (and you can manually adjust after that as needed):

On the web here -> http://bas.org.in/dss.php?id=M%2051

and in KStars' Eyepiece View feature

But caveat is that right now, it only works for Dobsonians with a focuser tube mounted parallel to the ground, and with the focuser mounted on the right side of the tube looking from the top. For others, you need to add a correction, corresponding to how much your eyepiece is rotated from this position, and I haven't made the facility to add it in either tool as yet.

Regards

Akarsh

Sigh...

Clear skies Akarsh!

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[ma...@astrospotter.com]

The best tool for use is the one that you know how to use and feel very comfortable with using.

If I were to be picking a tool today (20+ years after Megastar was at it's peak) I may not select Megastar.   

It is 'clunky' by todays advanced tools and GUI standards.

It does rotate extremely well so that was bad information.  I always bring up the 'rotation tool' and that is fast and easy.   You can also tell Megastar to rotate the view properly for your scope but frankly I don't do that.  I look at the view, rotate it to what matches.   Done.  You can have it auto-rotate to match say a Dob or SCT.  For that you must set your scope type properly I mean how the heck else is it going to be able to auto-rotate.

I use MegaStar because I have used it forever and have the full high quaility full sky DSS images which are invaluable for WHATEVER tool you choose.  If your tool cannot show you pictures of where you are it is near pointless IMHO.    

Jeff was basically on the money.  I say it is hella old tool that has stood the test of time and there is very likely better tools but I'm not goin there as my old brain does not want to re-learn the top 30 commands over and over as each new tool comes out.

Frankly the absolutely WORSE user experience I can imagine is SkyTool.  I suggest you stay clear of that.  All others are open game.

I am an avid Starry Night Pro user and also like that a lot but mostly use that at home for planning and so on.

There must be better tools than MegaStar, it is 'clunky' BUT I know it EXTREMELY well so I keep using it.

Marko

[Jeff Gortatowsky]

Marko I LOVE YOU!!! <hugs> ... Oh wait... it was Akarsh that was my love! ... hmm that is not legal in the USWC is it. :)

"Frankly the absolutely WORSE user experience I can imagine is SkyTools.  I suggest you stay clear of that.  All others are open game."

You are amazing! The author is a fool. A trained (he says) astronomer that thinks he can write C/C++.  I knew from the minute I saw all the non-blocking dialog boxes it would be a NULL pointer nightmare.

Not to mention the ridiculous multilevel nesting of the dialog boxes EVEN if he knew what he was doing.

A UI only he could love. And a support crew (aka him) that believes "As long as you say I am right, all is well. Otherwise, you are obviously using the program wrong.".

Is this on topic? Of course! Who doesn't use software to plan/find targets? Oh sure, printed atlas' are not dead, believe me I have more than a few, but they will be. It is just a matter of time.

Clear skies!!!

[Easswar]

The one thing I realized last new moon was that I was wasting a lot of time wandering, waving my phone around, not having a plan.

What would y'all suggest as a good, easy-to-learn starter planning tool?

I'll try out MegaStar and KStars(Need to search through the depths of my brain for that vbox linux password). I currently use observing lists on SkySafari that I use at the dark site. I don't need the software to control my full manual dob, yet. I'd also like to get me those fancy DSS images that I see in all the ORs.

Easswar

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[Akarsh Simha]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 19:11 Easswar <eass...@gmail.com> wrote:

The one thing I realized last new moon was that I was wasting a lot of time wandering, waving my phone around, not having a plan.

What would y'all suggest as a good, easy-to-learn starter planning tool?

I'll try out MegaStar and KStars(Need to search through the depths of my brain for that vbox linux password). I currently use observing lists on SkySafari that I use at the dark site. I don't need the software to control my full manual dob, yet. I'd also like to get me those fancy DSS images that I see in all the ORs.

Really, you could use a spreadsheet, plus a script to fetch DSS images. The spreadsheet must contain, apart from the object, at least its RA. Sort the sheet by RA, and you’re mostly good to go — when the RA is equal to the LST, the object is on the meridian.

But I found two problems with this approach:

1. If you’re using a dob, things that are on the meridian can also be in the dob hole depending on latitude and dec.

2. If you’re going to work through every object in order, you will start lagging behind (because you obviously overplan!). Then, southern objects are most important (in the northern hemisphere) because a small reduction in altitude will cause a large increase in airmass. So you really want to prioritize these if you’re lagging.

So that’s why I came up with sorting of the list by the fraction of maximum altitude achieved, with a special case to demote objects that are in the dob hole. I maintain and update a wish list of objects — whenever Steve Gottlieb or anyone else posts an interesting object, I fire up KStars and add it to the list. Now I also backup my wishlist because there are ample bugs where KStars truncates your wish list. In fact I have it symlinked from a git repo.

On the field, I get KStars to sort objects by fraction of max altitude an object is at. So I pick the objects that I feel up to observing (based on conditions and mood) that are in the top 5–10 entries in that list. Once I work on those, I go back to the list (which is constantly re-sorting itself) to find the next well-placed object.

This method also has drawbacks:

1. If you’re at lake sonoma for example, you actually want to observe objects about an hour or two after they transit to let it move further away from the Santa Rosa light dome. This method ignores such things.

2. This method doesn’t prioritize things that you really want to observe. You may really want to see NGC 6946 because it has a supernova, or because you just want to do a blogpost about it, or whatever — but if you don’t happen to be looking at the computer screen when it’s transiting, you don’t find it at the top of your list. Of course, you’ll eventually get to it some night when by good fortune you happen to be looking at the list when it’s well-placed, but you will miss that supernova, or blog about it a year later.

I think 1 is a real problem worth finding a fix to. I think that 2 is a feature not a bug (except for transient events which you should manually track) — it forces you to observe objects when they’re well-placed.

If you want to give the tool in KStars a try, hit Ctrl + L, and you should open the observation planner. Add your objects (one by one unless you live off a git branch I have) to the WishList view, configure the size of your dob hole in Settings, and sort the table by the Current Altitude column. Then before you go observing, make sure to hit the “Download All DSS images” or whatever button. Backup your wishlist from ~/.local/share/kstars/wishlist.obslist regularly and send me an email if you find a bug that bothers you.

(There’s a project underway to do an overhaul of the DSO management databases and stuff in KStars, so making fixes now might be tricky, and lots of things may become broken in a future release. For now I live off a commit that works, but eventually I want to dig into this and fix any regressions.)

Regards

Akarsh

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Agree Jeff.  I decided to simply say 'stay clear of SkyTools' but all you wrote is my logic as well.  
Sure it may be an amazing tool and a huge amount of software so I respect that but in the end it is how useful it is that is the judge of it's worth to others.

It simply was written for a very different mindset than what I would like in the field.  He likely wrote it for himself as I do for many tools.  That is all good.

Feel free sometime to sit in front of SkyTools and then say 'Gosh, I want to look up Ngc whatever.    It is 'nasty' to say the least. Highly non-intuitive.

Or I want to zoom in and out and poke on something or place a telrad sight.    These things are too complex for me to try to remember is my point.

Anyway I do feel it has some usage to folks for a PLANNER but for in field active observing tool is where it falls short.

Jeff, you are more 'direct' in your unguarded comments on the author, I don't know what the guy was trying to do so maybe he created what he wanted and just wanted to share.   Who knows.   I think he is a really smart coder that has no clue on UI.  it happens.

Marko

[Easswar]

Thanks Akarsh! That's really helpful.

I tried using KStars, will try more over the next few weeks.

I had to research the RA/Dec concept first to understand what you meant. I think I get it now. What's LST though?

I guess I do the same thing that you're using the sorting for, except that I'm pointing my phone to the sky with my targets in my observing lists highlighted and look for one that interests me. The issue I face with SkySafari is that I can't sort/filter by type of object, although, the fix for that would be that I make multiple lists for each type. But with your way I could probably do this before I head out to the field and make lists of objects for every hour or so.

Also, do you manage your observation reports through KStars itself? All of mine is spread out in google docs, spreadsheets and the observing log feature on Sky Safari. I need a way to consolidate all that.

I was looking for a way to import the observing list(In OAL format) exported from SkySafari into KStars. I see an export to OAL option, but couldn't see an import OAL option.

Thanks!

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I've been using Stellarium. I don't know how it compares with regard to catalogs, although you can d/l a lot of extras. The UI is unusual and there's a learning curve. The display is very attractive IMO.

Has anyone else given it a try?

Paul S.

[Jeff Gortatowsky]

Although I am not allowed to join some a few 'vindictive people's'  new OR lists, they are vindictive that way LOL(!), I can say, if still available, look for Observing Reports in the TAC archives. 

They are an amazing source of a night's targets. Some going way back are amazing in both the depth, and from a simple humans' emotion, point of view. 

Also the SJAA used to, maybe still do, have monthly XLS' in their web sites archive. 

Fact is, there are many sites on the net that will also let you plan a night without paying a dime. 

Clear skies!

[David Cooper]

Thanks Jeff for providing the link to download Megastar.  I've never used it before but I downloaded it and started playing with it a few days ago.  The bottom line is I really like it.  I find it very easy to use, the controls and functions are very logical, I like the various overlays, especially the DSS images downloaded from the internet, and I have already printed out a number of finder charts for my next set of galaxy clusters.  And all of this is on my MacBook running Windows 10 in Parallels.  Cool...

Dave

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[Jeff Gortatowsky]

Thanks! You are welcome!!  Tho its Emil's  choice. I don't use it often. Truth is Sky Map Pro is still my "Go To". 

Tho on the Mac, not as an iOS app, but as Mac App. I do like Sky Safari Pro. As an iOS app? Well its just as hard to get the view I want as any other PC, iOS app.

However as I mentioned, running on WINE, Parallels, or some Win 7 laptop, MegaStar takes little hardware. I think it makes it (IMO) perfect for field use as you can use a $200 five year old laptop eBay find (I use old Dell Latitudes), and not worry a wit about dew, cold, hot, rain, etc. No need to put your $1400 rig at risk.

And its still QUITE capable.

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[Ted Hauter]

Don't know if this will reach everyone but just like to say I know OSP not making this year is a yet another burr in the boot and I was contacted by Steve of OSP and he gave me a number close to 500 who were going to be there and see my products and scopes if I could make it. I couldn't make it and he was very kind to give me a few emails past reg to try to still get in early.

Thank you to Steve.

I am a member at SMCAS and missed their outreach at Crestview Park the other week in San Carlos and just a word about this park they somehow got a city light shielded that would normally blast into the park ruining the views but its a great spot to check out someday. That said there are cars in there and kids and more has to be done to make sure it's done right. The same goes for every event. Safety first. No telescope should harm, ruin a life or worse and all the astro media need to enforce this going forward.  Don't know of any accidents but don't want to ever be a part of one and it should be on our astro minds come next year if things reopen yet again.

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[Akarsh Simha]

Hi

That MegaStar download link no longer works. Kenneth Drake posted the following link on amastro:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3209gs5m09yjvb/MegaStar5.zip?dl=0

BTW, I tried downloading that and running it on WINE and I get the error "Registration file 'ms5reg.bin' not found. Terminating program..."

Oops, looks like I still needed to have paid for at least one version of MegaStar? In any case I don't need it -- was just curious to poke around it.

Regards

Akarsh

[Akarsh Simha]

Okay, looks like that wasn't the full distribution. Here is an alternative link also posted on amastro by Bob Bunge that has the full distribution:

http://www.ladyandtramp.com/megastar/

Regards

Akarsh

[Akarsh Simha]

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 2:52 AM Akarsh Simha <akars...@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay, looks like that wasn't the full distribution. Here is an alternative link also posted on amastro by Bob Bunge that has the full distribution:

http://www.ladyandtramp.com/megastar/

And I can run this one on WINE.

Regards

Akarsh