Ethics in commons-based peer production

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi all, 

Anyone interested in ethics in commons-based peer production? Your curiosity can be the right ingredient in an online video conversation between Mayssam, Vinicious and myself on this topic. 

We are looking for a host, someone who stimulates the exchange, who brings it to places driven by the thirst of knowledge, by the urge to understand, to discover. Someone who lets the discussion meander, allows the present minds to explore this topic, while making sure that people who will watch the video later can follow, learn, and be amused. 

This should be fun, natural, spontaneous. No preparation needed. If you are curious and have an interest for this topic the magic will happen. 

Who are the others? 

Maysam is finishing is PhD on the subject. I affectionately call Vinicious a brother from the p2p planet. He has a deep understanding of human p2p relational dynamics. 

The date of this exchange has not been fixed yet. 

Ethics, ethos, norms, rules, governance, organizations, economy, well being, freedom, ... hmmmm... smells like fun, you haven't cracked yet?!   :) 

[Sam Butler]

As a person who has modded with a lot of aspects of ethics and philosophy, as it relates to practice and grounded work and decisionmaking, perhaps I could assist in some way

It's not important that I host, but would definitely like to listen to the conversation in any case.  If you'd like me to host, I'd be glad to try and coordinate a time

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

That would be great Sam.

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[Miguel Novik]

Hi 

For me ¨good ethical behaviors¨ have a lot of social agreements...

And we are the ones that ¨agree¨ on those.... 

My focus is that each one has to know him/herself  a lot, and to be able to show honestly and deeply our real needs (needs are the reason for production), we should also show our real motivations, our real desires about what we want to achieve in our labor work (production needs labor).....

And then, after we know ourselves, to find the people to work, produce, and trade to build ¨the reality¨ we want to live in....(¨ the common¨)

This is not a theory.... it is about ourselves..

Do you like this approach for the conversation?

Best Regards,

Miguel

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi Miguel, 

Thanks for opening the debate here. Yes, it would be fun to open our appetite for this discussion here in the Forums. 

Here's what we have on Ethos, in the context of Sensorica. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ryHd2nwko_4ax5I1DZX5W_vr_1QiBgSwMCtU8hZ1a2s/edit?usp=drivesdk

This is Mayssam's territory and I defer to him to guide us, he spent years researching the topic. 

It rings true to me that knowing ourselves and having the ability to be empathic are at the core of ethics. 

I recently started a book on libertarianism, an ethical system that is so simple and elegant (coherent) that one cannot pass near it without being fascinated. At the same time, it is not without problems, which must be related to its simplicity. 

[[[The world is a complex thing and no matter how you try to formalize it you'll always end up with a gross oversimification that runs into problems sooner or later. But it turns out that society is better when we make things clear, when we formalize things, when we define things and relations between them. So we need to compromise... make a choice of a formal system knowing that we'll be missing the fine grain of reality, but at least we gain in stability and efficacy overall. We just need to keep in mind that any system has alternatives, which might turn out to be better or worse, depending on circumstances. That's why we have more than one religion on this planet, more than one culture, etc. ]]]

So libertarianism stems from one basic principle:  never initiate violence on someone else. From there, all sorts of norms are deduced and induced.  

One of my personal interests is to uncover the roots and underpinnings of openness in the sense of permissionless or access to participation. That's a core principle of p2p, open source, etc. I link it to economic freedom. Kurt once said: no one should deny you to create value. With his permission, I used that in my TEDx video and it became the hallmark of Sensoica. 

So no one should be denied access to create something good or positive is a fundamental principle for us. Building the ethics of Sensorica is about identifying actions that respect or go against this principle, actions that are acceptable or not, when measured against this principle. From this principle other things can be induced and deduced. For example transparency is a corollary of this principle: if someone denies me access to information that I may use to create something good he essentially denies me access to do that something good. Then we can make the same jump like libertarians make between ethics and economics, using concepts such as property for example, to which we add the notion of commons and nondominium. And go into governance and organisational design... 

That's what goes in my head. 

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Vinicious, when do you think we can schedule this ?

[Murray Hirsh]

One way to begin to approach this is to have those who wish to contribute come up with examples of ethical corporate behaviour and unethical behaviour,  From the compiled lists, it might be possible to deduce some general principles. Unfortunately, the list of unethical behaviour may be very, very long

Murray H

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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Unfortunately, the list of unethical behaviour may be very, very long

That part gave me a good laugh :) 

[Wael Alsaad]

Sounds very useful for Albaydar market-space design to 

identify 

the standards and metrics for the regenerative product categories involved

measures to enable and empower peers production in each developing country  

Also how to optimize demand and supply chain as a logistics network of peers (resources, consumers, and producers) 

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[Vinicius Braz Rocha]

hey Tibi and everyone, first of all forgive the lag time to respond,things are batshit crazy intense ( as for all of us , I’m quite sure) ! secondly, very pleased here with the juicy feedbacks given for what is going to be the 6th oocast experience; “ ethics and ethos on P2P by emerging regenerative perspectives “

that said, a good date to schedule could be next thursday 15 from 12am to 01h30pm ( Brasília BR time zone), would it be okay for you guys ?

another thing, if I’m not wrong,  Mayssam had suggested a type of warm up zoom or discord encounter to better grasp the proposed thematic and the oocast experience per se ... would that be okay too ? is yes, what date could be fine ?

last but not least, as I already said, very pleased here to feel that this new oocast experience is going to happen and excoted to get to know esch one of you !

best, Vinicius 

[Mayssam D]

Hey,

Thank you for the reply,

I am looking forward to the pre-chat on discord guys; personally, I am available every day on the discord Sensorica channel after 9 p.m (Lebanon time, GMT +3).

Also, regarding the oocast experience, I finish work after 9 pm Leb time. Also, I sadly can't do it before that due to my university commitments.

I am very much looking forward to this ASAP

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Mayssam Daaboul

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Doctorate in Business Administration
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[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

from timeanddate

Vinicious, do you have access to Sensorica's Discord for the pre-chat?

[Jeff Heng]

Very useful time zone tool ..... Thanks for sharing, Tibi.

I am interested to just sit-in / listen-in on any Sensorica meetings, in order to better understand.

Can someone please share the 'calendar' link for all pertinent Sensorica meetings coming up?

Regards,

Jeff Heng

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[Vinicius Braz Rocha]

wow, great feedback Mayssam and Tibi =) 

be and feel very welcome Sam, I'm certain that having you energizing the role of temporary host , Tibi as co-host , Mayssam as guest and myself as co-guest is already incredible, not only because of the mixture of cultures, languages and perspectives , but mainly because of each one´s P2P paradigm journey so far ! 

and talking about journeys, the oocast experience is the first DAO cultural imprint of ootopia´s decentralized regen endeavour, where the actual app  that´s in it´s alpha phase is just one working piece of an nascent collaborative worldwide framework related to the complex & emergent regenerative movement that not only has been driven by web3 players such as threefold or crypto tokenized glocal communities as the one´s that cambiatus from Costa Rica has been hatching, but by life-centric economic symbiotic approach of initiatives such as biominga or green fab lab network from Bolivia  ! 

long story short, something that has been weaving through weekly touchdowns of an ongoing open initiative called wealth transfer where

Sensorica`s stigmergic lenses has been instrumental through Tibi´s provocative perspectives ! 

ops guys, sorry, got sidetracked a little bit, but I think it worths to give more context with what the oocast experience is related to ! 

so, if thursday 15 is okay for everyone, no problem to schedule the 6th oocast experience from 03pm to 04h30pm ( Brasília BR time zone)

and Tibi my very dear friend, I didn't receive until the present moment any sensorica´s discord invitation 😉 ! 

best, Vinicius

[Sam Butler]

Hey everyone, great reading these thoughts and seeing this come together.

Can someone share a calendar invite, to ensure we're all on the same page in terms of time zones?

-Sam

[Mayssam D]

Vini,

Mayssam D#6844- Add me on Discord

[Vinicius Braz Rocha]

hey Sam I´ll create a calendar invite for the oocast experience ! 

but are you already in sensorica´s discord ? 

best, Vinicius

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Hi Jeff,

You can follow the calendar here.

Orientation: That's the Sensorica Community page, within the Sensorica OVN. The OVN top structure is Network, Communities, Ventures. Note that recently the term "project" was replaced with "venture".

[Tiberius Brastaviceanu]

Just created an event in the Sensorica Calendar. Vinicious will probably create one for the Wealth Transfer / OOtopia group.

Maysam, Sam and Jeff have been invited.