A dose of reality

[Denis Frith]

Americans in the north east are striving to cope with a dose of reality, the snow storm, over the week end. Ironically, even climate change deniers had to put up with the inconvenience of this indication of nature's response to the greenhouse gas emissions from industrial systems.  But climate change is only one aspect of what industrialization has done wrong. It has also irreversibly used up limited natural resources, including the fossil fuels, an unsustainable process. The plans of many over the week end were upset by inability to use their cars and by cancelling of airline flights, an indication of what will gradually become the nowm as liquid fules become beyond reach for many. But, at least, they were able to continue to enjoy the comfort indoors provided by heat from fossil fuels. How will their granchildren cope with future snow storms when, inevitably, all aspects of this service are no longer available?  They will not be able to watch TV!

 

Denis Frith

in down under Australia where the problems will be different but hard to cope with due to widespread belief in the flow of money while lacking understanding of physical realities other than their inevitable demise. 

[Denis Frith]

People would have better understanding of what is happening and what they can best do to cope with the powering down if they understand that their is no such thing as 'renewable' energy. Energy, like time, flows (passes) irreversibly from source, the Sun, to radiate back out to space afet doing work here on Earth. The so called 'renewable' energy is actually energy income that we can rely. The fossil fuels provide us with energy capital that is running out so future generations will not be able to rely on its supply.  

Denis Frith

 

Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:22 AM
From: "hugh Hu...@austrop.org.au [roeoz]" <ro...@yahoogroups.com>
To: ro...@yahoogroups.com, energyr...@yahoogroups.com, america...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [roeoz] renewables-next-fracking

 

read this -

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/renewables-next-fracking.html

I totally concur with his opening comments: -

>Broadly speaking, there are two groups of people who talk about
renewable energy these days. The first group consists of those people
who believe that of course sun and wind can replace fossil fuels and
enable modern industrial society to keep on going into the far future.
The second group consists of people who actually live with renewable
energy on a daily basis. It’s been my repeated experience for years now
that people belong to one of these groups or the other, but not to both.

>As a general rule, in fact, the less direct experience a given person
has living with solar and wind power, the more likely that person is to
buy into the sort of green cornucopianism that insists that sun, wind,
and other renewable resources can provide everyone on the planet with a
middle class American lifestyle. Conversely, those people who have the
most direct knowledge of the strengths and limitations of renewable
energy—those, for example, who live in homes powered by sunlight and
wind, without a fossil fuel-powered grid to cover up the intermittency
problems—generally have no time for the claims of green cornucopianism,
and are the first to point out that relying on renewable energy means
giving up a great many extravagant habits that most people in today’s
industrial societies consider normal.

we need powering-down ... not more tech (incl nukes) - there are too
many of us - and Nature Bats Last!

Cheers

H

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