TSE for Linux: I thought I found the fix for the keyboard problem

[S.E. Mitchell]

Under Linux, certain keys are not recognized - for instance, there is
not a way to tell the difference between <tab> and <ctrl i>, <ctrl
enter> and <ctrl j>, <enter> and <ctrl m>, <ctrl n> and <ctrl />, and
so on.

Well, I thought I found the magic sauce!
https://invisible-island.net/xterm/modified-keys.html

However, I cannot get it to work.
As noted in the doc referenced, on program startup I issue the sequence:
fputs("\033[>4;2m", stdout);

But I still can not distinguish between the keys listed.

Oh well :(
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Sammy Mitchell

[knud van eeden]

Key Recognition in Linux

GPT-4

Under Linux, certain keys are not recognized - for instance, there is not a way to tell the difference between <tab> and <ctrl i>, <ctrl enter> and <ctrl j>, <enter> and <ctrl m>, <ctrl n> and <ctrl />, and so on. How to create a computer program to check the difference?

ChatGPT

Recognizing the difference between certain key combinations like <tab> and <ctrl+i> in a Linux terminal can be tricky. This is because, historically, these key combinations are often mapped to the same ASCII control codes.

If you want to distinguish between these keys in a program, you can use libraries that provide lower-level access to the input, like ncurses for C/C++ or similar libraries in other languages. These libraries can sometimes discern the difference between key combinations by capturing the raw keycodes.

Here is a simple example using C and ncurses:

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#include <ncurses.h>

int main() {
    initscr();
    raw(); // Disable line buffering
    keypad(stdscr, TRUE); // Enable special keys
    noecho(); // Don't echo the characters

    printw("Press any key to see its code or 'q' to quit\n");

    int ch;
    while(1) {
        ch = getch();
        if(ch == 'q') break;

        // Clear line and print keycode
        move(1, 0);
        clrtoeol();
        printw("Keycode: %d", ch);
        refresh();
    }

    endwin();
    return 0;
}

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gcc your_file.c -lncurses

Run the compiled program in the terminal and press keys to see if it can distinguish them.

Note: This may not work for all key combinations due to terminal limitations and configurations.

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

[knud van eeden]

> Under Linux, certain keys are not recognized - for instance, there is

> not a way to tell the difference between <tab> and <ctrl i>, <ctrl

> enter> and <ctrl j>, <enter> and <ctrl m>, <ctrl n> and <ctrl />, and

> so on.

> How to create a computer program to check the difference?

ChatGPT

Recognizing the difference between certain key combinations like <tab>

and <ctrl+i> in a Linux terminal can be tricky. This is because,

historically, these key combinations are often mapped to the same ASCII

control codes.

If you want to distinguish between these keys in a program, you can use

libraries that provide lower-level access to the input, like ncurses

for C/C++ or similar libraries in other languages. These libraries can

sometimes discern the difference between key combinations by capturing

the raw keycodes.

Here is a simple example using C and ncurses:

--- cut here: begin --------------------------------------------------

#include <ncurses.h>

int main() {

    initscr();

    raw(); // Disable line buffering

    keypad(stdscr, TRUE); // Enable special keys

    noecho(); // Don't echo the characters

    printw("Press any key to see its code or 'q' to quit\n");

    int ch;

    while(1) {

        ch = getch();

        if(ch == 'q') break;

        // Clear line and print keycode

        move(1, 0);

        clrtoeol();

        printw("Keycode: %d", ch);

        refresh();

    }

    endwin();

    return 0;

}

--- cut here: end ----------------------------------------------------

===

To compile:

--- cut here: begin --------------------------------------------------

gcc your_file.c -lncurses

--- cut here: end ----------------------------------------------------

[knud van eeden]

> Under Linux, certain keys are not recognized - for instance, there is

> not a way to tell the difference between <tab> and <ctrl i>, <ctrl

> enter> and <ctrl j>, <enter> and <ctrl m>, <ctrl n> and <ctrl />, and

> so on.

> I am using the Watcom C compiler.

> How to create a computer program to check the difference?

===

ChatGPT

If you are using the Watcom C compiler on Linux and you want to

distinguish between certain key sequences, it gets tricky due to

terminal limitations. Many terminals map sequences like <tab> and

<ctrl+i> to the same ASCII control codes. Libraries like ncurses that I

mentioned earlier often use the same terminal capabilities, so they

inherit these limitations.

However, if you are working on a specific application and need to

distinguish these keys, there is a workaround you could consider: you

could set the terminal into "raw" mode and attempt to read the escape

sequences directly. You would not be able to use standard C libraries

like <stdio.h> for this, as they buffer input.

Here is an example using low-level UNIX system calls. I do not have a

Watcom-specific example, but you should be able to adapt this logic:

--- cut here: begin --------------------------------------------------

#include <termios.h>

#include <unistd.h>

#include <stdio.h>

void set_raw_mode() {

    struct termios term;

    tcgetattr(STDIN_FILENO, &term);

    term.c_lflag &= ~(ICANON | ECHO); // Disable canonical mode and echo

    tcsetattr(STDIN_FILENO, TCSANOW, &term);

}

int main() {

    set_raw_mode();

    char c;

    while (read(STDIN_FILENO, &c, 1) == 1) {

        if (c == 3) { // Ctrl-C to exit

            break;

        }

        printf("Got char: %d\n", c);

    }

    // Restore terminal settings here if needed

    return 0;

}

--- cut here: end ----------------------------------------------------

===

Compile the code using gcc or adapt it for Watcom.

Please note that:

This is a very simplified example and does not cover all the nuances of

terminal programming.

The key codes you will see may still not distinguish between the

sequences you are interested in, due to the aforementioned terminal

limitations.

You should usually restore the terminal settings upon exit, which this

example does not cover for simplicity.

If Watcom C provides specific methods for this or if you are running

this in a specialized environment (outside a typical terminal), you

might have more options.

[knud van eeden]

> Sammy wrote:

> Under Linux, certain keys are not recognized - for instance, there is

> not a way to tell the difference between <tab> and <ctrl i>, <ctrl

> enter> and <ctrl j>, <enter> and <ctrl m>, <ctrl n> and <ctrl />, and

> so on.

Possible resolutions:

1. Because ncurses library seems to have the source code for getting the raw code, it might be worth

   checking if this assumed little bit of source code can be extracted and added directly into 

   your Watcom compiler source code and use it directly.

2. Maybe one of the solutions ChatGPT, Claude2, Bard, Perplexity might help. Though this is not guaranteed.

3. I asked already in the ReddIt user group if they could get ncurses to run with Watcom. This because ncurses pops

   up in many solutions so being able to use that might move things fast forward.

4. You could also yourself ask further questions e.g. on ReddIt regarding implementing solutions in Watcom for TSE for Linux as

   you are able to do this more specifically.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Open_Watcom

The Open Watcom community is relatively small, with moderate activity on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenWatcom/

 The primary discussions are done on the "contributors" and "users.c_cpp" groups on the Open Watcom newsgroups

news://news.openwatcom.org/

a third option is the user forums on sourceforge.

news://news.openwatcom.org/

5. Other solutions.

[S.E. Mitchell]

Been there, done that :)

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Sammy Mitchell

[S.E. Mitchell]

Amplification:

Currently using raw mode, none of the keys I listed in the original
message can be distinguished.
I've also tried it with ncurses, and with the same result.

Did you try any of these examples?
I compiled them, ran them, and saw no difference.
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Sammy Mitchell

[S.E. Mitchell]

And for reference, here is the code I'm using to test with:

/* compile with: gcc -o keypress keypress.c */
#include <ctype.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <termios.h>
#include <unistd.h>

struct termios orig_termios;

void disableRawMode() {
tcsetattr(STDIN_FILENO, TCSAFLUSH, &orig_termios);

fputs("\033>", stdout); // restore alt keypad mode
fputs("\033[>4;0m", stdout); // restore CIS u style key reporting
fflush(stdout);
}

void enableRawMode() {
tcgetattr(STDIN_FILENO, &orig_termios);
atexit(disableRawMode);

struct termios raw = orig_termios;

raw.c_cflag &= ~(CSIZE | PARENB);
raw.c_cflag |= CS8;
raw.c_iflag &= ~(IGNBRK | BRKINT | PARMRK | ISTRIP | INLCR | IGNCR |
ICRNL | IXON);
raw.c_oflag &= ~OPOST;
raw.c_lflag &= ~(ECHO | ECHONL | ICANON | ISIG | IEXTEN);
tcsetattr(STDIN_FILENO, TCSAFLUSH, &raw);
}

int main() {
enableRawMode();

fputs("\033=", stdout); // alternate keypad mode
fputs("\033[>4;2m", stdout); // request CSI u style key reporting
fflush(stdout);

char c;
while (read(STDIN_FILENO, &c, 1) == 1 && c != 'q') {
if (iscntrl(c)) {
printf("%d\r\n", c);
} else {
printf("%d ('%c')\r\n", c, c);
}
}

return 0;
}

Can someone else try this, to see if they notice any difference between

<tab> and <ctrl i>, <ctrl enter> and <ctrl j>, <enter> and <ctrl m>,

<ctrl n> and <ctrl />?

[Guy Rouillier]

I'm not an expert on this by any means.  I found this StackExchange article on the topic:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/563469/conflict-ctrl-i-with-tab-in-normal-mode

It links to several resources with a deeper dive on the topic.  In brief, it's a mess, and the terminal program you are using has a say in key mappings.  Given the large number of Linux terminal programs, I don't see a general solution.  On a more positive note, apparently most terminal programs agree on a small number of these characters (such as ctrl-i and tab being equivalent.)  According to this page, GUI programs have an easier task, since they rely on key press messages, which are more standardized.

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Guy Rouillier

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[S.E. Mitchell]

Thanks for the reference!
Based on that, I found
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/631241/mapping-otherwise-conflicting-or-unmappable-keys-in-terminal-vim
and based on that, I added:

XTerm*Translations: #override\
Ctrl ~Meta Shift <Key>x :string("\033[88;5u")

To my ~/Xresources file.

I shutdown WSL, then restarted it, but no love :(

I guess it is a lost cause.
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Sammy Mitchell

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[knud van eeden]

Hello Sammy,

I checked just now my question at Reddit about

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenWatcom/comments/16e3uu0/how_to_run_the_ncurses_c_library_using_the_watcom/

"How to run the ncurses C library using the Watcom C compiler on Linux?"

and there was actually an answer:

From: erysdren

6 months ago

"PDCurses is compatible with Watcom C"

See PDCurses at:

https://github.com/wmcbrine/PDCurses

with friendly greetings

Knud van Eeden

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[Claus Futtrup]

Hi Knud

Interesting!

Cheers,

Claus

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