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Dr.Sundeep.S.Bhagwath
Jun 21, 2010, 6:33:45 AM6/21/10
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On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dr.Sundeep.S.Bhagwath <san...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dr Jyoti,Hats off to you for managing to attend the conf inspite of such difficulties. Although I did not attend this particular conf, I empathize with you. I believe a querry was posed in our IAOMP journal a year ago. The issue was the wisdom of organizing the conferences in fancy hotels at fancy locations. I remember attending the Agra conf in November 2005, at which time we were put up in Hotel Jaypee Palace. We arrived at Agra Cant staton at 0430hrs and got the key of our room only by 1300 hrs! All the interevning time we had to spend in a transit area in some hotel inside Agra. I dont think anybody would have minded if the arrangement would have been made at some inconsequential, yet decent hotel. Also, even if the accommodation IS provided on time, most of the people arrive with their families and soos as they get their room key, they start preparing their tour itenerary, the lectures be dammed! It really is a tragedy to forgo the lectures of such eminent people. I think something seriously needs to be done on this issue.
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Dr.Sundeep.S.Bhagwath
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Dr.Sundeep.S.Bhagwath
Dr. S. Sengupta
Jul 1, 2010, 1:18:21 AM7/1/10
to Secretary IAOMP
Dear Dr. Jyoti, Dr. Bhagwath & all members:
The Coorg conference seems to have generated more complaints than
kudos, and that is understandable from Dr. Jyoti and all the PG
students' perspective. However, from the organizers' perspective, I
believe their efforts were genuine but misdirected.
Going by the usual norns, PG conventions are a 2-day (& 1 night)
affair, while the annual conferences are a 3-day/2-night event.
However, in the last few years, the numbers of PG students have
swelled hugely, and demands of time, space and comforts have gone up.
While the organizers of the Coorg conference were perhaps expecting
200-300 delegates, the registrations were far more than this. As a
result, the logistics were entirely inadequate to cope with the
numbers. It did not help that Club Mahindra Coorg were neither
equipped nor willing to help the organizers handle the delegates'
comforts and other requirements, and the incessant rains only made
matters worse. The imposition on the organizers by their institution
to have all delegates visit the college (situated about 40 km away),
also meant time wasted and difficulties faced by the delegates. In
that scenario, perhaps a 3-day/2-night PG Convention would have been a
better option, and can be considered for the future.
It is another matter that the registration fees charged were higher
than expected, and I suspect that is a major factor generating all the
complaints. Delegates certainly did not get value for money. If the
delegate fees were half of what was actually charged, I am sure the
number of complaints would have exponentially come down too. Be that
as it may, the charges were approved by the IAOMP executive committee,
and it is too late to grumble about it now.
Dr. Bhagwath, as the Chairman of the Organizing Committee of the 2005
conference at Agra, let me first apologize to you for any
inconvenience caused 5 years ago. Having been instrumental in
organizing 3 IAOMP national conferences in a row (2003 at New Delhi,
2005 at Agra and 2008 at Kolkata - all at "fancy hotels" as you call
them), I am well aware that delegates always face some inconveniences
while attending conferences - it is the job of the organizing
committee to attempt to minimize them as far as possible. However, you
will understand that individual attention to each delegate is not
always possible. The logic behind choosing "fancy hotels" is to
provide you, the delegate, with some more comfort and convenience, as
well as make available large spaces to accommodate all the scientific
sessions. Club Mahindra Coorg certainly lacked the space to
comfortably hold the scientific sessions, but then, as I said, the
organizers at Coorg never anticipated such a large turnout. In any
case, the program was set at Agra in such a manner as to enable you to
attend the maximum possible sessions, which again was not the case in
Coorg.
"Inconsequential yet decent" hotels which can provide space for
scientific sessions, do not exist. When convention centres are used
(such as the India Habitat Centre at New Delhi in 2009), the
accommodation by necessity is spread out, and delegates face the
inconvenience of travelling to and from the convention centre,
resulting in complaints again. Dr. Ranganathan will surely confirm
this, since his original plan of hosting the December 2010 conference
at the Chennai Trade Centre was scuttled due to demands by members to
host the conference in-house, thus pushing up costs and delegate fees.
So who is to blame? The organizers of the conferences, or the members
of IAOMP who expect and demand those "fancy hotels at fancy places"?
Regards,
Dr. S. Sengupta.
===================================
On Jun 19, 9:59 pm, jyoti yadav <DOCTORYAD...@YAHOO.CO.IN> wrote:
> hello sir,
> the reason i am putting my plight about mismanged coorg conference
> here is that i don't know anyother place where it will be well heard
> and probably well cared of.
> the only thing i would remember about coorg conference will be that
> thanks to the ill management of people there i would explore coorg
> more and not be able to attend the single lecture.
> let me start with day one-- infact it starts with day prior to that.
> 15june- the accomodation problem. how many venues are we suppose to
> change? if both the days were'nt possible at club mahindra then why
> even take it? should have made arrangements at some other better place
> for both the days. or were they expecting guests from far flung places
> like faridabad, close to delhi (in my case) to come directly on 16june
> morning and straight away go to the conference with all baggage and
> exhaustion of such journey???? this despite of knowing the fact that
> there isn't any train station or airport there. and closest train
> station and airport takes good 3 hours minimum. so expecting females
> to land up at unknown place and wandering for ways to reach coorg at
> early morning doesn't make sense with me.
> 16june- the real ordeal begins now. we reach club mahindra early
> morning as paper session starts at 7:30am. with our baggage in lying
> in one room with atleast 25 females waiting for their turn to get a
> glimse of washroom atleast. forget using it. cattle room. we go direct
> to paper sessions from where later we head to breakfast. thankgod i
> attended something. as breakfast ends they say that now rooms are
> available. they were indeed. but what about the long waiting lane?
> just 2 hasseled and lost looking females trying to manage all with no
> clue about the situation. atlast after fighting through the entire
> oral pathologist family i finally get my room key only to find that
> atleast 5 people have got the same key . despite of the fact that it
> was supposed to be on triple sharing basis. and not to forget lectures
> were still going on while i was figuring the way out of this mess.
> finally things sorted out. no thanks to management. i am good at
> managing such fiascos myself. then lunch starts and they say that
> people presenting poster will have to got to virajpet.we miss your
> lecture. no flattery here but we all really wanted to attend it. now
> all the landscaping was good but why choose such distant place for it.
> it goes well and we reach back for banquet at 10pm atlast. no lectures
> attended still.
> 17june- nice scrumptous breakfast. just when we entered to attend
> lecture they say that its time to check out. wow now what else would
> have i asked from god that time. we check out. not knowing that we
> have missed lectures again meanwhile. now the hunt for new place
> begins. we move out of club mahindra as our bus from coorg was to
> leave at 11pm and we were not allowed to keep out luggage at club
> mahindra there till that time. so no lectures attended. now i know i
> needed more management on my part to be able to attend it well. but
> how could have i at such situations sir?
> vijaywada convention was such wonderfully planned. but sorry to say
> this one was full of errors. please make sure that same doesn't happen
> at chennai. we students put so much money on them so that we could
> gain something out of them. all i gained was knowledge about coffe and
> spices at coorg. thanking god that it din't go blank. atleast i got
> something out of it.
> i am sure that something will be done about it.
> thank you sir.
> (no offences meant for anyone)
>
> dr jyoti yadav
> 2nd year pg student
The Coorg conference seems to have generated more complaints than
kudos, and that is understandable from Dr. Jyoti and all the PG
students' perspective. However, from the organizers' perspective, I
believe their efforts were genuine but misdirected.
Going by the usual norns, PG conventions are a 2-day (& 1 night)
affair, while the annual conferences are a 3-day/2-night event.
However, in the last few years, the numbers of PG students have
swelled hugely, and demands of time, space and comforts have gone up.
While the organizers of the Coorg conference were perhaps expecting
200-300 delegates, the registrations were far more than this. As a
result, the logistics were entirely inadequate to cope with the
numbers. It did not help that Club Mahindra Coorg were neither
equipped nor willing to help the organizers handle the delegates'
comforts and other requirements, and the incessant rains only made
matters worse. The imposition on the organizers by their institution
to have all delegates visit the college (situated about 40 km away),
also meant time wasted and difficulties faced by the delegates. In
that scenario, perhaps a 3-day/2-night PG Convention would have been a
better option, and can be considered for the future.
It is another matter that the registration fees charged were higher
than expected, and I suspect that is a major factor generating all the
complaints. Delegates certainly did not get value for money. If the
delegate fees were half of what was actually charged, I am sure the
number of complaints would have exponentially come down too. Be that
as it may, the charges were approved by the IAOMP executive committee,
and it is too late to grumble about it now.
Dr. Bhagwath, as the Chairman of the Organizing Committee of the 2005
conference at Agra, let me first apologize to you for any
inconvenience caused 5 years ago. Having been instrumental in
organizing 3 IAOMP national conferences in a row (2003 at New Delhi,
2005 at Agra and 2008 at Kolkata - all at "fancy hotels" as you call
them), I am well aware that delegates always face some inconveniences
while attending conferences - it is the job of the organizing
committee to attempt to minimize them as far as possible. However, you
will understand that individual attention to each delegate is not
always possible. The logic behind choosing "fancy hotels" is to
provide you, the delegate, with some more comfort and convenience, as
well as make available large spaces to accommodate all the scientific
sessions. Club Mahindra Coorg certainly lacked the space to
comfortably hold the scientific sessions, but then, as I said, the
organizers at Coorg never anticipated such a large turnout. In any
case, the program was set at Agra in such a manner as to enable you to
attend the maximum possible sessions, which again was not the case in
Coorg.
"Inconsequential yet decent" hotels which can provide space for
scientific sessions, do not exist. When convention centres are used
(such as the India Habitat Centre at New Delhi in 2009), the
accommodation by necessity is spread out, and delegates face the
inconvenience of travelling to and from the convention centre,
resulting in complaints again. Dr. Ranganathan will surely confirm
this, since his original plan of hosting the December 2010 conference
at the Chennai Trade Centre was scuttled due to demands by members to
host the conference in-house, thus pushing up costs and delegate fees.
So who is to blame? The organizers of the conferences, or the members
of IAOMP who expect and demand those "fancy hotels at fancy places"?
Regards,
Dr. S. Sengupta.
===================================
On Jun 19, 9:59 pm, jyoti yadav <DOCTORYAD...@YAHOO.CO.IN> wrote:
> hello sir,
> the reason i am putting my plight about mismanged coorg conference
> here is that i don't know anyother place where it will be well heard
> and probably well cared of.
> the only thing i would remember about coorg conference will be that
> thanks to the ill management of people there i would explore coorg
> more and not be able to attend the single lecture.
> let me start with day one-- infact it starts with day prior to that.
> 15june- the accomodation problem. how many venues are we suppose to
> change? if both the days were'nt possible at club mahindra then why
> even take it? should have made arrangements at some other better place
> for both the days. or were they expecting guests from far flung places
> like faridabad, close to delhi (in my case) to come directly on 16june
> morning and straight away go to the conference with all baggage and
> exhaustion of such journey???? this despite of knowing the fact that
> there isn't any train station or airport there. and closest train
> station and airport takes good 3 hours minimum. so expecting females
> to land up at unknown place and wandering for ways to reach coorg at
> early morning doesn't make sense with me.
> 16june- the real ordeal begins now. we reach club mahindra early
> morning as paper session starts at 7:30am. with our baggage in lying
> in one room with atleast 25 females waiting for their turn to get a
> glimse of washroom atleast. forget using it. cattle room. we go direct
> to paper sessions from where later we head to breakfast. thankgod i
> attended something. as breakfast ends they say that now rooms are
> available. they were indeed. but what about the long waiting lane?
> just 2 hasseled and lost looking females trying to manage all with no
> clue about the situation. atlast after fighting through the entire
> oral pathologist family i finally get my room key only to find that
> atleast 5 people have got the same key . despite of the fact that it
> was supposed to be on triple sharing basis. and not to forget lectures
> were still going on while i was figuring the way out of this mess.
> finally things sorted out. no thanks to management. i am good at
> managing such fiascos myself. then lunch starts and they say that
> people presenting poster will have to got to virajpet.we miss your
> lecture. no flattery here but we all really wanted to attend it. now
> all the landscaping was good but why choose such distant place for it.
> it goes well and we reach back for banquet at 10pm atlast. no lectures
> attended still.
> 17june- nice scrumptous breakfast. just when we entered to attend
> lecture they say that its time to check out. wow now what else would
> have i asked from god that time. we check out. not knowing that we
> have missed lectures again meanwhile. now the hunt for new place
> begins. we move out of club mahindra as our bus from coorg was to
> leave at 11pm and we were not allowed to keep out luggage at club
> mahindra there till that time. so no lectures attended. now i know i
> needed more management on my part to be able to attend it well. but
> how could have i at such situations sir?
> vijaywada convention was such wonderfully planned. but sorry to say
> this one was full of errors. please make sure that same doesn't happen
> at chennai. we students put so much money on them so that we could
> gain something out of them. all i gained was knowledge about coffe and
> spices at coorg. thanking god that it din't go blank. atleast i got
> something out of it.
> i am sure that something will be done about it.
> thank you sir.
> (no offences meant for anyone)
>
> dr jyoti yadav
> 2nd year pg student
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