Cole: you may want to look at these newsletters I started a while back. Mostly oriented toward people starting out
REMarks Newsletters (sebhc.github.io)
Somehow I’ve never found the time to continue with these. Maybe someday…
This issue discusses how to get started with HDOS
REMarks Issue 3 - 1 January 2021 (sebhc.github.io)
You could try using the Virtual Sector Generator to simulate the hole pulses, allowing you to use soft sectored media
I have no personal experience with this though some have said that the older 5.25” drives don’t have reliable enough speed control to work reliable with virtual sector generation?
There’s also the Hard-Sectored Floppy Emulator built into many of Norberto’s board designs. Those boards are sometimes used with more modern drives with steadier speed control, and even work with 3.5” drives.
Not sure the disk punches are available, though last I knew (some time ago) Ken still had some. Do I recall that he sent these to Norberto??? I had mixed success with the punch. Often the holes would not be clean and the rough edges would abrade with the disk liner.
There is a TEST17.ABS program in HDOS. Unfortunately I’m not aware of this ever being ported to a stand-alone piece of code, though I’ve often toyed with that idea. It’s pretty silly that you have to boot HDOS to test the drives! Your idea of using the cassette interface to load an H17 test program is a good one, I just don’t think anyone’s done that yet.
Finally, the first issue of Sextant included an article on how to use the ROM-based routines to access the H17. If you’re up to some coding you could write some code to do this. That could be challenging though if you don’t have a bootable system! (I guess you’d have to use the cassette-based OS).
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I began writing some newsletters I called “REMarks” oriented toward getting started with an old H8 (and to some extend H89). That effort has been on hiaitus for quite a while but who knows, I may get the energy to pick it up again. Take a look:
REMarks Newsletters (sebhc.github.io)
Give some thought to your goals. If you want to be able to do an occasional demonstration (e.g. at a vintage festival) I believe you can get a working H8/H9/H17 setup. I’ve had very good luck cleaning and lubricating the old Siemens FDD100-5 drives. I also have a fairly large collection of old hard sectored disks, many (most?) of which fail media testing, however I’ve found that often the issue is with a warped case. If I take a more modern DS/DD floppy disk and slit open the case, swap out the media I’ve had some luck getting these old disks to work. You can then either re-seal the edge somehow or do what I’ve done which is to just leave it open and be careful. Perhaps when the cooler weather comes I can take a look at some of these and see if I can get them to be reliable enough for use, then I’ll make them available.
If you want to make more regular use of the machine consider getting a hard sector floppy emulator (HSFE) or VSG (VSG (deramp.com))
The most reliable approach, of course, is to use solid state media with something like the dual-CF board (Todd has blank boards for $12, see boardinventory [RetroBrew Computers Wiki])
I’d be interested in more information on your system, its components, their condition and what testing you’ve done so far. You’ll need a solid working H8 and H9 before you even look to the H17… if you’ve got the original tape/serial board (H-8-5) you can load and run software digitally from a PC. Or you could build such a board (see Todd’s inventory…)
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And for that matter, do I need to plan on punching holes in soft-sectored floppies to create hard-sector floppies? Is Kenneth Owen's "Revised Floppy Disk Punch" from 2016 still available?
Yes, it is available. Ken, send me all available floppy puncher. He was selling them at $100.00. Rather than keeping them getting dust, I can send them out for the cost of shipping, around $15.00.
Norberto
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Enjoyed the video very much. Thanks! I should do some of these. Somewhere on the bucket list…
Random thoughts, comments:
Good luck and will be interesting to follow along with your restoration!
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will he need a "zero-Org" card ??
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All,
Sorry for the late reply on this request. I found that I only received 6 kits from Ken’ for the H17 floppy puncher and 7 requests for such device. I will leave Glenn out as he has a kit and needs to sharpen the puncher.
I opened one of the boxes and includes the puncher and detailed instructions on how to use it.
Requests:
1. John S mdnt...@gmail.com
2. Darrell Pelan pel...@gmail.com
3. DNK 9999 dnk...@gmail.com
4. Joseph Travis jtravi...@gmail.com
5. Mark Garlanger garl...@gmail.com
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7. glenn.f...@gmail.com glenn.f...@gmail.com
Picture of kits available:

Price.
I will send PayPal invoices per your email to only pay for shipping for $15.00. I will work on this this week.
Thanks,
Norberto
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All,
Sorry for the late reply on this request. I found that I only received 6 kits from Ken’ for the H17 floppy puncher and 7 requests for such device. I will leave Glenn out as he has a kit and needs to sharpen the puncher.
I opened one of the boxes and includes the puncher and detailed instructions on how to use it.
Requests:
1. John S mdnt...@gmail.com
2. Darrell Pelan pel...@gmail.com
3. DNK 9999 dnk...@gmail.com
4. Joseph Travis jtravi...@gmail.com
5. Mark Garlanger garl...@gmail.com
6. cole erskine cers...@gmail.com
7. glenn.f...@gmail.com glenn.f...@gmail.com
Picture of kits available:
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Price.
I will send PayPal invoices per your email to only pay for shipping for $15.00. I will work on this this week.
Thanks,
Norberto
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Sending remaining invoices as Joe’ provided feedback on his findings. Please review his feedback.
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All,
Sorry for the late reply on this request. I found that I only received 6 kits from Ken’ for the H17 floppy puncher and 7 requests for such device. I will leave Glenn out as he has a kit and needs to sharpen the puncher.
I opened one of the boxes and includes the puncher and detailed instructions on how to use it.
Requests:
1. John S mdnt...@gmail.com
2. Darrell Pelan pel...@gmail.com
3. DNK 9999 dnk...@gmail.com
4. Joseph Travis jtravi...@gmail.com - shipped
5. Mark Garlanger garl...@gmail.com
6. cole erskine cers...@gmail.com - shipped
7. glenn.f...@gmail.com glenn.f...@gmail.com
Picture of kits available:
Price.
I will send PayPal invoices per your email to only pay for shipping for $15.00. I will work on this this week.
Thanks,
Norberto
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Glen,,
I have a new spare puncher that Ken gave me as a spare. Let me try finding it. 😊

Norberto
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On 8/19/24 17:09, norberto.collado koyado.com wrote:
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For PayPal you will need to use dn...@comcast.net as my email vs dnk...@gmail.com.
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The punch that came with it looks to be a grade of stainless. It has a higher nickel content which increases the hardness and improved lubricity.
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Did try both emails and no response. Not sure what to do next… ☹

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Subject: Re: [sebhc] Re: Easy way to test H17? How to create hard-sector floppies?
There has been some discussion that the belt-driven (vs. direct) drives do not have reliable enough speed for a virtual sector approach (either VSG or HSFE). What has been your experience? Have you found VSG to work reliably even with the old belt-driven drives (e.g. Siemens FDD100-5)? I don’t think I’ve heard testimony one way or the other from anyone with hands-on experience…
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Mentioned earlier in this discussion but worth mentioning again.... Rather than re-inventing a solution using the "blue pill" there already is a solution to the problem of not being able to get real hard sectored floppy disks using an inexpensive product called the "Virtual Sector Generator":
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My experience with use of the VSG is primarily with newer direct-drive 5.25" floppy drives from a variety of different manufacturers, and with those drives the VSG works perfectly.
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It is in my to-do-list to convert the Z67-IDE+ to emulate a "real" H-17 hard sector floppy disk. I took traces of the sector pulses on my scope. I think it is better to create the sector pulses using HW rather than software to be precise. Any ideas on a circuitry that will create such sector pulses aa a real H17 Floppy drive will do?
Thanks,
Norberto