is baseball fake like pro wrestling?
Tom Ryan
> being a sad joke, suddenly become an unbeatable team just when they
> have
> their hands out to the public dole.
>
> Let's consider the fact that MLB lost a great deal of respectability in
> last year's strike, to the point that stadiums across the country are
> mostly empty. They lost a lot of their fans, and they haven't come back.
>
> Consider too the fact that LA told MLB to take a hike when MLB tried
> the
> same blackmail there. The loss of the LA *and* Seattle markets would
> be a
> devastating blow; what's more, it can domino. If cities around the
> country "just say no", MLB will actually have to build their stadiums
> themselves.
>
> "Home Town Fans" asks us to believe that the association of the above
> conditions is pure coincidence. Quite frankly, I don't believe it. I
> believe that it is much more likely that the teams playing the Mariners
> have taken a dive for the greater good of MLB.
>
> MLB, like pro wrestling (and unlike football), is legally classed as an
> "entertainment" and thus is exempt from most regulations including
> anti-trust. It may be perfectly legal for the teams to have taken a dive.
>
> This is undoubtably blasphemy to the True Believers, but those of us
> who
> have some criticial thinking skills should consider this possibility
> carefully before making rash decisions.
>
> -- Mark --
>
> DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122
> 18'39"
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
>
Oliver Stone would consider you a true American Hero.
If you get in trouble with the drugs, man, go WITH them, don't fight them.
They end up making you freak out and say things like this, and vote "no"
in elecetions, when you fight them...TR.
Richard Cameron
rigged. This is stupid. Lets see, the Mariners have been bad forever
so that means they will be bad forever. Nice logic. How about an
explanation called, TALENT!!!! lets see, .355 hitter (great hitter
even when team sucked) JR (best player in baseball) Buhner (always hits
bombs) not to mention the other all stars on the team. Some people
have mental disturbances, and whoever started this thread is one of
those people
Mark Crispin
ad hominem attacks. The raving mob. Kill the infidels! The rabble kept
at bay with bread and circuses.
I wonder what would have happened if I had commented on the myth that
collegiate and Olympic athletes are "amateurs".
One has to wonder what causes this sentimental attachment to a business
whose employees are millionaires and are largely recruited from outside
the area; a business whose product is to play a child's game in front of
spectators. A sad commentary, indeed, on the state of society and the
human species. No wonder the hoi polloi are so easily manipulated by
whatever demagogue comes around.
I wonder if anyone has bothered to notice that the Mariners lost 45% of
the games that they played this year. That does not seem to represent a
particularly talented team; rather a mediocre team that's doing slightly
better than average this year. Their present position is one of luck, not
talent; of being at the right place at the right time.
Derek Zumsteg
: Well well well. The professional sports fans spout forth with the vicious
: ad hominem attacks. The raving mob. Kill the infidels! The rabble kept
: at bay with bread and circuses.
I'm not particularly surprised a UW C&C employee would spout things
like 'kill the infidels'.
: One has to wonder what causes this sentimental attachment to a business
: whose employees are millionaires and are largely recruited from outside
: the area; a business whose product is to play a child's game in front of
: spectators. A sad commentary, indeed, on the state of society and the
: human species.
Yeah, when we were kids, athletes played for free, no one made any
money, and millionaires would fly around the country in zepplins,
throwing silver dollars down to the masses. Those were the days.
: No wonder the hoi polloi are so easily manipulated by
: whatever demagogue comes around.
Same to your mother.
: I wonder if anyone has bothered to notice that the Mariners lost 45% of
: the games that they played this year. That does not seem to represent a
: particularly talented team; rather a mediocre team that's doing slightly
: better than average this year. Their present position is one of luck, not
: talent; of being at the right place at the right time.
I wonder if anyone has bothered to notice that the Cleveland Indians lost
30% of the time. That doesn't seem to represent a particularly talented team,
either, now does it?
Learn the sport, understand the numbers.
In short: bite me.
--
Derek Milhous Zumsteg
Sometime writer, sometime drinker, sometime hacker
Burned out, twenty-one year old slacker
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~milhous/home.html
Richard Cameron
<Pine.NXT.3.92.950930...@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.E
U> Mark Crispin <m...@CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
>
>Well well well. The professional sports fans spout forth with the
vicious
>ad hominem attacks. The raving mob. Kill the infidels! The rabble
kept
>at bay with bread and circuses.
>
>
>One has to wonder what causes this sentimental attachment to a
business
>whose employees are millionaires and are largely recruited from
outside
>the area; a business whose product is to play a child's game in front
of
>spectators. A sad commentary, indeed, on the state of society and the
>whatever demagogue comes around.
>
>I wonder if anyone has bothered to notice that the Mariners lost 45%
of
>the games that they played this year. That does not seem to represent
a
>particularly talented team; rather a mediocre team that's doing
slightly
>better than average this year. Their present position is one of luck,
not
>talent; of being at the right place at the right time.
>
>
>DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122
18'39"
>Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
>
Look, you idiotic moronic (oops, I am not supposed to say that, oh
well) poster. You have admitted you know nothing about sports, so why
dont you SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!
R. Tang
Mark Crispin <m...@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>I wonder what would have happened if I had commented on the myth that
>collegiate and Olympic athletes are "amateurs".
>
>One has to wonder what causes this sentimental attachment to a business
>whose employees are millionaires and are largely recruited from outside
>the area; a business whose product is to play a child's game in front of
>spectators.
Human nature, ever since those Olympian times. Trying to appear
"above" it is just another form of snobbishness.
>I wonder if anyone has bothered to notice that the Mariners lost 45% of
>the games that they played this year. That does not seem to represent a
>particularly talented team; rather a mediocre team that's doing slightly
>better than average this year. Their present position is one of luck, not
>talent; of being at the right place at the right time.
And you should also note that the team's leading can only manage
to get on base 45% of the time; that also doesn't seem to be particularly
talented-----if you don't know what you're talking about.
A word, sir.
--
Roger Tang, gwan...@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
STILL just another theatre geek....
The most unAmerican thing you can say is "He/she makes too much money."
R. Tang
Mike Kenney <mi...@wavelet.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>R. Tang <gwan...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>Mark Crispin <m...@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>>>I wonder what would have happened if I had commented on the myth that
>>>collegiate and Olympic athletes are "amateurs".
>>>One has to wonder what causes this sentimental attachment to a business
>>>whose employees are millionaires and are largely recruited from outside
>>>the area; a business whose product is to play a child's game in front of
>>>spectators.
>> Human nature, ever since those Olympian times. Trying to appear
>>"above" it is just another form of snobbishness.
Professional athletes have been.
>Please explain ...
>
>Also explain how not being a fan of pro sports league is a form of
>"snobbishness".
It isn't. That's different, however, from trying to appear above it...
David B. Greene
>
>Well well well. The professional sports fans spout forth with the vicious
>ad hominem attacks. The raving mob. Kill the infidels! The rabble kept
>at bay with bread and circuses.
Just be glad it's not the Detroit fans.
>I wonder what would have happened if I had commented on the myth that
>collegiate and Olympic athletes are "amateurs".
What's to wonder, pro NBA players were sent to the last Olympics.
>One has to wonder what causes this sentimental attachment to a business
>whose employees are millionaires and are largely recruited from outside
>the area; a business whose product is to play a child's game in front of
>spectators. A sad commentary, indeed, on the state of society and the
>human species. No wonder the hoi polloi are so easily manipulated by
>whatever demagogue comes around.
A good point, I doubt the team results or standings are rigged as was
previously hinted at. What seems to be rigged to me is the over-all
hype surrounding sports in general.
>I wonder if anyone has bothered to notice that the Mariners lost 45% of
>the games that they played this year.
It's reported in the sports pages every day. I wonder if anyone has
bothered to notice that Bill Clinton only won 42% of the vote. I guess
the Mariners at 55% are mor competent than the president. Does that
explain their higher salaries?
> That does not seem to represent a
>particularly talented team; rather a mediocre team that's doing slightly
>better than average this year. Their present position is one of luck, not
>talent; of being at the right place at the right time.
Probably this is partly true but their winning percentage has been gradually
improving in recent years. One wonders what kind of "luck" it was that Griffey
was out for much of the season. Stiff competition from good ball clubs
accounts losing 45% of the games rather than mediocrity in my opinion.
DG
Michael Cox
<Pine.NXT.3.92.950930...@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>,
Mark Crispin <m...@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> Well well well. The professional sports fans spout forth with the vicious
> ad hominem attacks. The raving mob. Kill the infidels! The rabble kept
> at bay with bread and circuses.
(Other raving snipped)
Using four-bit words: Sign of intelligence, or clever way to babble? Next
Geraldo.
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Mike Kenney
R. Tang <gwan...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>In article <44pis4$f...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
>Mike Kenney <mi...@wavelet.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>>"Professional" sports leagues have been around since Olympian times???
>
> Professional athletes have been.
Hmmm. Seems to me "professional" athletes are a relatively recent
phenomenon (within the last 100 years) ... and it's only been about
25 years since most of them turned into overpaid crybabies.
>
>>Please explain ...
>>
>>Also explain how not being a fan of pro sports league is a form of
>>"snobbishness".
>
> It isn't. That's different, however, from trying to appear above it...
Semantic quibbling.
How about "apart from it" or "don't give a damn about it" ... do these meet
with your approval?
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mi...@apl.washington.edu
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R. Tang
Mike Kenney <mi...@wavelet.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>In article <44pkoj$h...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
>R. Tang <gwan...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>In article <44pis4$f...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
>>Mike Kenney <mi...@wavelet.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>>>"Professional" sports leagues have been around since Olympian times???
>> Professional athletes have been.
>Hmmm. Seems to me "professional" athletes are a relatively recent
>phenomenon (within the last 100 years) ...
Incorrect. Classic olympian athletes were professionals and
received the same adulation AND pay as today's athletes.
>and it's only been about
>25 years since most of them turned into overpaid crybabies.
Incorrect, as well. In no way are Ty Cobb's antics and Babe Ruth's
exploits any different than today's athletes. The only difference is the
way they are being reported.
>>>Please explain ...
>>>Also explain how not being a fan of pro sports league is a form of
>>>"snobbishness".
>> It isn't. That's different, however, from trying to appear above it...
>Semantic quibbling.
Nope.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't blather about it. Nor would you
try to pour so much contempt over what you now are demonstrating you know
so little about.
Annie Li
athletes received adulation, and poetry written to honor them, etc. The
actual reward was a crown of laurel leaves, and the adulation of the
public.
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* Annie Li an...@becker.u.washington.edu *
* Seattle, Washington *
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On 10 Oct 1995, Mike Kenney wrote:
> In article <450thr$q...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
> R. Tang <gwan...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >In article <44vrdi$k...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
> >Mike Kenney <mi...@wavelet.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> >>Hmmm. Seems to me "professional" athletes are a relatively recent
> >>phenomenon (within the last 100 years) ...
> >
> > Incorrect. Classic olympian athletes were professionals and
> >received the same adulation AND pay as today's athletes.
>
> I'm willing to bet that the pay was considerably less, relatively speaking.
>
> >
> >>and it's only been about
> >>25 years since most of them turned into overpaid crybabies.
> >
> > Incorrect, as well. In no way are Ty Cobb's antics and Babe Ruth's
> >exploits any different than today's athletes. The only difference is the
> >way they are being reported.
>
> Bullshit. How many times did Babe Ruth go out on strike because he felt
> he just "wasn't making enough money"? How many times did Ty Cobb throw
> firecrackers at fans? (Isn't that a favorite party trick of one of the
> Mariners?)
>
> >
> >>>>Please explain ...
> >>>>Also explain how not being a fan of pro sports league is a form of
> >>>>"snobbishness".
> >>> It isn't. That's different, however, from trying to appear above it...
> >>Semantic quibbling.
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > If you didn't care, you wouldn't blather about it. Nor would you
> >try to pour so much contempt over what you now are demonstrating you know
> >so little about.
>
> I only developed contempt for MLB when they started trying to pick my pocket.
Martha Brockenbrough
goblets, sometimes even women (gag).
OK, so it's not exactly a salary. But it's better than a laurel wreath.
Go Mariners!
Martha Brockenbrough
Ivan Weiss
> Bullshit. How many times did Babe Ruth go out on strike because he felt
> he just "wasn't making enough money"? How many times did Ty Cobb throw
> firecrackers at fans? (Isn't that a favorite party trick of one of the
> Mariners?)
Mike,
The players did not go on strike because they "weren't making
enough money." They walked because the owners were not bargaining in good
faith, as later confirmed by the NLRB. Oppose public funding for the
stadium all you want, but please don't insult the intelligence of
better-informed people than yourself.
Ivan Weiss
Seattle Times
iwei...@seatimes.com
Standard disclaimer
David B. Greene
I've heard that they also got a lifetime stipend, permanent exemption from
taxes, and an engraved sign to place in front of their home.
DG