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K.M.Tregellas

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Nov 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/16/98
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I live on Whidbey Island and I'm sick and tired of all the seattle trash
that comes here and clogs up the system. Stay home you assholes

Seab

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Nov 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/16/98
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don't you love the freedom you have on the internet? isn't it great? I love
it too - it is cool and most people are responsible enough to use it in a
mature manner...


K.M.Tregellas <treg...@whidbey.net> wrote in message
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anon...@anon.lcs.mit.edu

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Nov 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/17/98
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K.M.Tregellas wrote:
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:41:37 +0000
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>I live on Whidbey Island and I'm sick and tired of all the seattle trash
>that comes here and clogs up the system. Stay home you assholes

You won't see me going back to Whidbey Island any time soon. Spent a weekend there a couple of years ago and had a lousy time. I'm one of those "seattle trash" who isn't planning to come back. You can keep it.

I'll take my ferry traffic to Kingston and Vashon and Bremerton thank you very much. I have much more pleasant memories of those trips across the sound.

jd

terry lee

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Nov 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/17/98
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Sure...as long as Whidbey Island would like to PAY for those Ferries that
don't even break even through fares. Since there is no way the island could
afford to pay for it's own ferry that would mean transporting all goods,
people, etc by small boat. But, don't even think of landing those boats over
here. What a dilemma we have now? Narrow minds starving on an island.

Dave 2

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Nov 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/17/98
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terry lee wrote:
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> Sure...as long as Whidbey Island would like to PAY for those Ferries that
> don't even break even through fares. Since there is no way the island could
> afford to pay for it's own ferry that would mean transporting all goods,
> people, etc by small boat. But, don't even think of landing those boats over
> here. What a dilemma we have now? Narrow minds starving on an island.

Hey terry, take a look at a map, paying particular attention to Highway 20...
:)
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Joshua_Putnam

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Nov 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/17/98
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In <365194AF...@seanet.com> terry lee <tl...@seanet.com> writes:

>Sure...as long as Whidbey Island would like to PAY for those Ferries that
>don't even break even through fares. Since there is no way the island could
>afford to pay for it's own ferry

It's not an inherent need for subsidies that led the state to
take over the existing private ferry systems on the Sound, it
was a desire to get the ferries under a no-strike clause. Yes,
compared to private sector ferries, the WSFS is overstaffed,
inefficient, and overpaid. But unlike Blackball they didn't
inconveniently shut down for a strike at the height of harvest
season year after year, leaving island residents no easy way to
get crops to market. (That's part of the reason the Vashon
Island ferry district had public ferries before the rest of the
sound, too.)

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Jeff Foy

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Nov 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/18/98
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In article <5e542.16371$W6.36...@newscene.newscene.com>,

"K.M.Tregellas" <treg...@whidbey.net> wrote:
>I live on Whidbey Island and I'm sick and tired of all the seattle trash
>that comes here and clogs up the system. Stay home you assholes

We're the assholes and yet you isolate yourself on an island in
the middle of nowhere? :-)


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only, nor from his hand to be owned, nor from his foot to be beneath, but
from under his arm to be protected, from his side to be equal, and from his
heart to be loved. . .

terry lee

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Nov 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/18/98
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I just assumed we tax payers would have the bridge at the pass blown up or at a
minimum charge a toll for those islanders to come to the mainland.

Dave 2 wrote:

> terry lee wrote:
> >
> > Sure...as long as Whidbey Island would like to PAY for those Ferries that
> > don't even break even through fares. Since there is no way the island could

terry lee

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Nov 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/18/98
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Actually I'd just like the ferry system to break even. By giving a cut rate to
commuters it has aided rapid development of areas such as Poulsbo, Bremerton,
Kingston, Whidbey Island, etc. Anyone drove through Poulsbo during rush hour
lately? I never will again. So, if the Islander wants non-island people to stay
away he must get Islanders to reciprocate by not commuting off the island.
Alternative is to just deal with the urban sprawl and migration like rest of
us.

Joshua_Putnam wrote:

> In <365194AF...@seanet.com> terry lee <tl...@seanet.com> writes:
>

> >Sure...as long as Whidbey Island would like to PAY for those Ferries that
> >don't even break even through fares. Since there is no way the island could
> >afford to pay for it's own ferry
>

Joshua_Putnam

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Nov 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/18/98
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In <3652EF9F...@seanet.com> terry lee <tl...@seanet.com> writes:

>Actually I'd just like the ferry system to break even.

But of course *no* part of the state highway system breaks even,
not highways, not bridges, not ferries. Nor do other transit
systems, buses or trains or the waterfront trolley.

Big Don

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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Jeff Foy wrote:
>
> In article <5e542.16371$W6.36...@newscene.newscene.com>,
> "K.M.Tregellas" <treg...@whidbey.net> wrote:
> >I live on Whidbey Island and I'm sick and tired of all the seattle trash
> >that comes here and clogs up the system. Stay home you assholes
>
> We're the assholes and yet you isolate yourself on an island in
> the middle of nowhere? :-)

Hey, it's a good way to insulate oneself from the Wildly OOW_Breeding
throngs of Parasitic Section_8 Scum LOOTers that are overrunning the
mainland, trashing the schools, clogging the welfare rolls, terrorizing
the neighborhoods and overburdening the criminal justice system. (and
riding public transit)

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rubedo

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Nov 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/22/98
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Well Yeee Haawww!! Tank g'ness y'all dint says "all yews Auburn traysh stays
home!" I be planning what yew call un sabortical to Oak Harbore reals soon!
Tinking 'bouts movings dat a way, too, seeings hows theres such nice
folkeses un all.

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Jeff Foy

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Nov 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/22/98
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In article <36575E...@eskimo.com>, Big Don <big...@eskimo.com> wrote:

>Jeff Foy wrote:
>> >I live on Whidbey Island and I'm sick and tired of all the seattle trash
>> >that comes here and clogs up the system. Stay home you assholes
>>
>> We're the assholes and yet you isolate yourself on an island in
>> the middle of nowhere? :-)
>
>Hey, it's a good way to insulate oneself from the Wildly OOW_Breeding
>throngs of Parasitic Section_8 Scum LOOTers that are overrunning the
>mainland, trashing the schools, clogging the welfare rolls, terrorizing
>the neighborhoods and overburdening the criminal justice system. (and
>riding public transit)

Don, one of these days I'd like to meet you in person to see if
you're really this odd. :)

Dave 2

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Nov 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/23/98
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Joshua_Putnam wrote:
>
> In <365194AF...@seanet.com> terry lee <tl...@seanet.com> writes:
>
> >Sure...as long as Whidbey Island would like to PAY for those Ferries that
> >don't even break even through fares. Since there is no way the island could
> >afford to pay for it's own ferry
>
> It's not an inherent need for subsidies that led the state to
> take over the existing private ferry systems on the Sound, it
> was a desire to get the ferries under a no-strike clause. Yes,
> compared to private sector ferries, the WSFS is overstaffed,
> inefficient, and overpaid. But unlike Blackball they didn't
> inconveniently shut down for a strike at the height of harvest
> season year after year, leaving island residents no easy way to
> get crops to market. (That's part of the reason the Vashon
> Island ferry district had public ferries before the rest of the
> sound, too.)
>

And after Washington took over Blackball, they took some of their ferries,
moved up to British Columbia and ran car ferries from Horseshoe Bay to
Nanaimo, Bowen Island, and Langdale, and up the Sunshine Coast.

However, a strike by Blackball and the CPR in 1958(?) isolated Vancouver
Island. The BC government then launched BC ferries, to ensure that strikes
would never again disrupt ferry service. In 1961, BC ferries bought out the
Blackball fleet.

Unfortunately, a subsequent government granted BC ferries the right to strike.
As of today, they're threatening to shut down the fleet in December, just in
time for Christmas.


Blackball still runs the Victoria-Port Angeles service. I suppose that's
still profitable...

Echo Mike

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:22:29 GMT, bg...@scn.org (Jeff Foy) wrote:
>In article <36575E...@eskimo.com>, Big Don <big...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey, it's a good way to insulate oneself from the Wildly OOW_Breeding
>>throngs of Parasitic Section_8 Scum LOOTers that are overrunning the
>>mainland, trashing the schools, clogging the welfare rolls, terrorizing
>>the neighborhoods and overburdening the criminal justice system. (and
>>riding public transit)
>
> Don, one of these days I'd like to meet you in person to see if
>you're really this odd. :)

Beware of people who speak of themselves in the 3rd person. . .


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