New Induction Range!

[Kjell Anderson]

Hi all, after a long kitchen remodel, we finally were able to begin using our induction stove two weeks ago. Previously we had been using gas, and during the remodel we used my mom's house which had an electric resistance range. The induction stove (LG LSE4616/7) is crazy fast. I can boil water for eggs in under a minute (which incidentally means I need to let them sit in the hot water longer for them to get done) and for pasta in just a few. It means I never need to preheat a pan. We did need to get new cookware, and chose the Calphalon stainless with aluminum layer to distribute heat, but the dutch oven and cast iron pan still work. We clean the glass cooktop before using the stove with a damp cloth nearly every time and so far it looks good, and hasn't had the build-up of burned debris that happened on the electric resistance glass top we used at my mom's; since the glass doesn't get hot, the only food that would burn onto the glass top now is directly under the pan. The speed is the only thing that's taken some getting used to, as pans get to the desired temperature (and can also have lower temperature) almost instantly.

[Brad Liljequist]

Cool!  A cheap induction hotplate is a great interim strategy if you aren't quite ready to replace your range.  We got one and use it for probably 75% of our cooking now.  

[Paula Sardinas]

These are fantastic conversations. But I can’t help to ask where is the “equity lens?” So many can barely afford their property taxes or rental increase. Obviously there are many of us who do this work, and we could upgrade or retrofit our homes tomorrow.

Others may fall prey to predatory lending “green schemes” or reverse mortgages just to keep up with “net zero.” Not all incomes are created equal. How are we going to assist the overburdened, marginalized, poor black and brown who can barely afford the energy cost to run a hot plate?

It’s now freezing and they need some of these unpopular non-energy efficient methods to heat their homes.

We have to have meaningful conversations understanding that environmental “injustice,” has a racial component that must be discussed openly.

Paula Sardinas 

WA Build Back Black Alliance 

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Cool!  A cheap induction hotplate is a great interim strategy if you aren't quite ready to replace your range.  We got one and use it for probably 75% of our cooking now.  

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 8:43:51 AM UTC-8 kjella...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all, after a long kitchen remodel, we finally were able to begin using our induction stove two weeks ago. Previously we had been using gas, and during the remodel we used my mom's house which had an electric resistance range. The induction stove (LG LSE4616/7) is crazy fast. I can boil water for eggs in under a minute (which incidentally means I need to let them sit in the hot water longer for them to get done) and for pasta in just a few. It means I never need to preheat a pan. We did need to get new cookware, and chose the Calphalon stainless with aluminum layer to distribute heat, but the dutch oven and cast iron pan still work. We clean the glass cooktop before using the stove with a damp cloth nearly every time and so far it looks good, and hasn't had the build-up of burned debris that happened on the electric resistance glass top we used at my mom's; since the glass doesn't get hot, the only food that would burn onto the glass top now is directly under the pan. The speed is the only thing that's taken some getting used to, as pans get to the desired temperature (and can also have lower temperature) almost instantly.

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[Kjell Anderson]

Hi Paula,

While not a solution to most of the questions you are asking, my hope is that we can encourage and empower those who can easily afford it to upgrade to efficient electric now. This will train workers, get the demand up, and work through the tough/expensive challenges which will bring down the cost of this transition so it is more affordable.

If there are schemes to defraud people we should expose those. The PACER legislation for homeowners that has been used to defraud others is not part of the PACER legislation in our state. 

-Kjell

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[Paula Sardinas]

Thank you for responding. A few months back, I’d actually considered representing that company (I’m a lobbyist). Two weeks in I heard from EVERY consumer group in the country and declined.

I appreciate your honesty. Never would we want our brand used as “black face.” I agree, those who can afford the cutover and transition should make the changes now. At the same time, we need to bring representatives from overburdened communities into the fold.

We need to ask the impacted communities to join us in the work, rather than making policies and forcing them on the most impacted populations later.

Thank you for a great conversation.

Paula

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[Court Olson]

Hello Ms. Sardinas.

We don't know each other, but I share your concern for equity.  I know that many others do as well.  

Myself, and a few others who have had some prior successes at climate related legislation, are now researching this subject.  We have the goal of crafting a program (or programs) that would help everyone, but especially less advantaged folks, make these important transitions in their homes. In my case, this work has only recently begun. I expect to build on the few programs that currently exist in Washington State, but that need to be expanded.  

While I recognize that these needs are immediate, and that in general the BIPOC community feels neglected, the development of these programs has challenges in the mechanics that need to be either worked out within existing government structures, or in largely modified or new government structures.  So, I expect that the mechanical details on how we do this are going to take some time.  I for one, and I'm not alone, pledge to keep working hard at this.  

So, please be aware that such efforts are currently under development by a few folks with some knowledge and experience with the legislation process.  When we reach a threshold where we think we have a feasible program well crafted with suitable equity features, we'll be reaching out for feedback.  If you feel the immediate need for more background, you could give me a call privately.      

Meanwhile, patience will be much appreciated.  

 

Court 

 

 
Court Olson

MSCE, CCM, DBIA, LEED AP 
Optimum  Building Consultants, LLC
206-245-7176

www.optimumbldg.com

    

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[Paula Sardinas]

Court,

My firm actually passed the CCA, LCFS, EVS and we consulted for over a year on the Heal Act. I serve on Mayor-Elect’s transition team for Climate.

The biggest mistake most of our “white” counterparts make is not knowing the role we play in WA or nationally in passing climate policy. This is why I can speak so authentically about equity, I’ve been doing it for 30 years in multiple states.

As we look at the Gov’s four request bills for this session and other pieces of legislation I can promise nothing will make it to Sine Die unless we measured and mitigated the impact to overburdened communities.

Meaningful engagement means we need to bring the F&C Coalition, as well as my WBBA members and Tribes to the table from the onset, not as an afterthought.

I welcome the continued dialogue. Had it not been for a coalition built by WOC— none of those policies would have passed. We made a commitment to continue to advocate and engage the black and brown community, and intend to keep that promise.

I’m here and would love to collaborate.

Sincerely,

Paula 

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[Kathy Dawson]

Hi Court,

I’m glad to know that you and others care about equity, and are including it in your work. I think you know that I respect you and appreciate all you’ve been doing for the climate. Unfortunately, I’m getting something of a white savior vibe from your response. 

When you say you’ll ask for feedback after you’ve got it all together, I hear an echo of what women hear so often but directed at BIPOC and poor people—“don’t worry little lady, we men have all the knowledge and skills needed to get it right. Then we’ll let you use our solution, and maybe choose the colors”. 

I’ve been on design teams since early in my engineering career, and then in my organizational renewal practice. I’m thoroughly convinced that, whatever you’re designing, involving the spectrum of intended users from the start is hugely important. When they’re involved at the beginning it’s possible to make small corrections at each stage to hone in on an optimal solution (or determine that no one solution will serve all potential users and branch out to design a suite of solutions). Otherwise small errors along the way can compound and end up with something useless or harmful for important segments of the intended beneficiaries. 

Paula’s response just came through—I hope you will eagerly accept her offer. Together the outcome is far more likely to serve the actual needs of all Washingtonians and the climate.

Kathy Dawson 

Co-chair, King County Chapter

The Climate Reality Project 

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[Court Olson]

I'm aware that a "savior" self perception complex can manifest in all genders, colors and ages.  Inflated ego is usually counterproductive, as is any attempt to reframe another person's words and intent.

My original response to the suggestion by Ms. Sardinas (that the marginalized are being overlooked while the dialogue in this forum was unfolding) was merely meant to comfort and assure that such was not the case. Genuinely concerned folks are spending hours working on this equity issue.  

I remain willing to talk privately with Ms. Sardinas about the research work which I'm aware of that is underway around the subject of a residential home energy transformation program (or programs) for all.   

I think this is enough said in this broadly circulated forum.