Erik "MC Deuce" Francis -- Busted!
Tim May
Dean) wrote:
> alt.fan.dean-stark is not carried at most
> major sites, and rightly so. It's a bogus
> newsgroup that was created through forgery.
The "alt" hierarchy by definition involves no votes, no moderation, no
approvals. A friend of mine created it some years back.
Your notion that an alt group could be "created through forgery" betrays
great ignorance on your part. Or paranoia. Or both.
--Tim May
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Jeff Liebermann
>In article <6u2cl6$3j8$4...@supernews.com>, jrd+u...@enclave.org (J.R.
>Dean) wrote:
>> alt.fan.dean-stark is not carried at most
>> major sites, and rightly so. It's a bogus
>> newsgroup that was created through forgery.
corp.supernews.com carries:
alt.fan.dean-stark.diaper-play
alt.fan.dean-stark.cypher
No content exept spam.
news2.ibm.net carries approximately 78 assorted alt.fan-dean-stark.*
newsgroups. I didn't check if there was any content.
cnews.newsguy.com carries no alt.fan.dean-stark newsgroups that I can find.
I may have set my news groveller to vaporize empty newsgroups so I'm not
sure on this one. There's a group search on the web page that I'm too lazy
to try.
>The "alt" hierarchy by definition involves no votes, no moderation, no
>approvals. A friend of mine created it some years back.
>
>Your notion that an alt group could be "created through forgery" betrays
>great ignorance on your part. Or paranoia. Or both.
Mostly correct. Alt is a free-for-all with no David Lawrence to keep it
organized. There are currently attempts to mimick the proceedures used in
the big 7 newsgroups running in alt.config with mixed results. I doubt if
it will ever get origanized. At this time, anyone can create a new alt
newsgroup but there is no guarantee that the major news services will pick
up the new group as most do not honor newgroup control messages (or any
other control messages). Currently, the major news services all have
different proceedures for requesting that new groups be added to the feed.
Most of the ones I've seen requested on Supernews are for something like
alt.binaries.cdrom.copyright-violations and such. The general feeling is
that if you can't find an appropriate newsgroup among 30,000 existing
groups, there's something wrong.
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Glen Appleby
(Jeff Liebermann) wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:59:39 -0700, tc...@got.net (Tim May) wrote:
>
>>In article <6u2cl6$3j8$4...@supernews.com>, jrd+u...@enclave.org (J.R.
>>Dean) wrote:
>>> alt.fan.dean-stark is not carried at most
>>> major sites, and rightly so. It's a bogus
>>> newsgroup that was created through forgery.
>
>corp.supernews.com carries:
> alt.fan.dean-stark.diaper-play
> alt.fan.dean-stark.cypher
>No content exept spam.
>
>news2.ibm.net carries approximately 78 assorted alt.fan-dean-stark.*
>newsgroups. I didn't check if there was any content.
I did. Pretty much like you described the first two.
When I first signed up with got.net, I checked for the newsgroups
and, yep, there were lots of them. I actually read all of the
posts. Pretty much spam or some few posts from people that I am
not familiar with who were just rembeling about things totally
unrelated to the newsgroup name.
You know, Dean -- if you are going to have all of these vanity
groups, you should write charters and have FAQs for each.
BTW, I thought that I had see a Harrison group being posted to so
I read a Harrison newsgroup, too ... then realized that it was
Harrison *Ford*.
I guess that explained all of the girls talking gooshey stuff,
there.
I gotta say that when I realize my error, I was somewhat
relieved. Prior to that, I was thinking of relieving myself
right in front of the computer.
I was thinking that if Harroson had all of those babes singing
his praises, he must be doing *something* right.
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Erik Max Francis
> The "alt" hierarchy by definition involves no votes, no moderation, no
> approvals. A friend of mine created it some years back.
>
> Your notion that an alt group could be "created through forgery"
> betrays
> great ignorance on your part. Or paranoia. Or both.
Indeed. Dean has been using the phrase "bogus newsgroup, created
through forgery" for years now, but it has no meaning except inside his
strange little head.
He even at one point claimed that DejaNews periodically purged "bogus
newsgroups"! Hah!
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Erik Max Francis
> You know, Dean -- if you are going to have all of these vanity
> groups, you should write charters and have FAQs for each.
STOP CYBERSTALKING HIM
> BTW, I thought that I had see a Harrison group being posted to so
> I read a Harrison newsgroup, too ... then realized that it was
> Harrison *Ford*.
Dean actually has attempted to make a newsgroup named after Harrison,
but since he such a world-renowned news administrator, he screwed it up.
(He apparently thinks he did it right.)
Erik Max Francis
> Watch your follow-up, Jeff.
Yay! Dean's crossposting to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet again!
> These were recreated more recently after the
> plus-200 were originally forged.
Yay! Again with the meaningless (and incorrect) "over 200" figure!
> For additional info and commentary, see
> http://www.enclave.org/afds.html.
Yay! So how many people have you blocked from your pages _this_ time
around?
Harrison Page
Remember when you did that last week and got flamed?
In article <6u3s0t$d0a$1...@supernews.com>,
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>Watch your follow-up, Jeff.
Uh oh! Dean the Net.Cop is at it again!
>For additional info and commentary, see
>http://www.enclave.org/afds.html.
This "additional commentary" is just another one of Dean's long,
tired rants about how much he doesn't like his ex-girlfriend
and how he's being stalked/harassed by everybody. It's pretty
hilarious stuff.
..Harrison
Erik Max Francis
> Just you and Page, for sure... though that never
> seems to stop you.
>
> Tell me -- is it a prerequisite among pathetically
> obsessed hackers like yourselves... that you must
> have a dozen or so accounts from which to hack?
This attitude is very entertaining to me. You put up web pages that are
full of complete nonsense and often stray into the realm of libel
(remember your PBB FAQ, Dean? L-I-B-E-L), but are such a coward (or a
lunatic, not sure which) that you systematically block _everybody_ you
see hitting those pages.
The last time you made your samples of alleged crank calls from your
ex-girlfriend public, how many people flamed you because they couldn't
access those samples?
It's also interesting that you suggest that wishing to see what you have
put up on your web page, which frequently named myself or Harrison by
name, is "hacking." You, sir, are a fucking idiot.
Dean, give yourself a rest. No one was antagonizing you, and I was even
helping answer your question, befure you decided to turn scruz.general
once again into Dean Stark's Pitiful Soapbox.
Tim May
<m...@alcyone.com> wrote:
> La Kloakulo wrote:
>
> > Watch your follow-up, Jeff.
>
> Yay! Dean's crossposting to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet again!
And he's issuing warnings to Jeff to "watch your follow-up." How typical.
> > These were recreated more recently after the
> > plus-200 were originally forged.
>
> Yay! Again with the meaningless (and incorrect) "over 200" figure!
>
> > For additional info and commentary, see
> > http://www.enclave.org/afds.html.
>
> Yay! So how many people have you blocked from your pages _this_ time
> around?
He still says that anyone who clicks on his URLs is a "cyber-stalker"
unless he says otherwise.
Tim May
> On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:15:57 GMT, je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> (Jeff Liebermann) wrote:
> >corp.supernews.com carries:
> > alt.fan.dean-stark.diaper-play
> > alt.fan.dean-stark.cypher
> >No content exept spam.
> >
> >news2.ibm.net carries approximately 78 assorted alt.fan-dean-stark.*
> >newsgroups. I didn't check if there was any content.
>
> I did. Pretty much like you described the first two.
>
> When I first signed up with got.net, I checked for the newsgroups
> and, yep, there were lots of them. I actually read all of the
> posts. Pretty much spam or some few posts from people that I am
> not familiar with who were just rembeling about things totally
> unrelated to the newsgroup name.
The "spam" referred to was Dean's stuff. Everything else was content.
Dean's apparently been most active in his "diaper-play" group. I wouldn't
have know there was such a thing as "diaper play," but Dejanews shows it
to be one of his most active haunts. Strange world.
Another Bogus One
<m...@alcyone.com> wrote:
>Tim May wrote:
>
>> The "alt" hierarchy by definition involves no votes, no moderation, no
>> approvals. A friend of mine created it some years back.
>>
>> Your notion that an alt group could be "created through forgery"
>> betrays
>> great ignorance on your part. Or paranoia. Or both.
>
>Indeed. Dean has been using the phrase "bogus newsgroup, created
>through forgery" for years now, but it has no meaning except inside his
>strange little head.
>
>He even at one point claimed that DejaNews periodically purged "bogus
>newsgroups"! Hah!
I just created one to prove Dean right.
OK, the "forgery" is not terribly well done, but it was not
intended to be.
Apologies to Art.
Jeff Liebermann
>Watch your follow-up, Jeff.
Sorry. I got lost in the >>>>>> mess.
>Not mostly correctly. Tim is conveying a completely
>erroneous notion -- that an alt.* group could never
>be created through forgery.
I think what Tim's saying is that it's not necessary to precipitate a
forgery in order to create an alt.something newsgroup. I could create one
right now with no difficulty. The control message will be propogated
throughout the world, most usenet news services would ignore the newgroup
message, but enough would create the newsgroup. Later, I could arrange to
have them added to the popular usenet news services. Ignoring control
messages started about a year ago when some bozo in Oklahoma decided to
cancel everything he received. Thousands of cancel messages and a big
mess. At that time, there were about 28,000 newsgroups. Now there are
over 30,000 on the commerical news servers, but over 50,000 on the ones
claiming to do no editing, spam cleaning or censorship. The 50,000 come
from all the do-it-thyself newsgroup control messages.
Why did you added news.admin.net-abuse.usenet and alt.config to the
distribution?
johnm...@my-dejanews.com
je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:59:39 -0700, tc...@got.net (Tim May) wrote:
>
> >In article <6u2cl6$3j8$4...@supernews.com>, jrd+u...@enclave.org (J.R.
> >Dean) wrote:
> >> alt.fan.dean-stark is not carried at most
> >> major sites, and rightly so. It's a bogus
> >> newsgroup that was created through forgery.
>
> alt.fan.dean-stark.diaper-play
> alt.fan.dean-stark.cypher
> No content exept spam.
The very first day I logged on to pacbell.net two and a half years ago,
before I knew *anything* about Usenet, before I even knew there *was* a scruz
hierarchy, much less scruz.general, I noticed all these "alt.dean-stark"
groups and wondered "who the fuck is Dean Stark, and why are there all these
newsgroups dealing with him?"
I assumed it was some egomaniac.
--
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"Man who play with fire scream like woman."
---Confucius (or something)
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Neal Tucker
>
>>At this time, anyone can create a new alt
>>newsgroup but there is no guarantee that the major news services will pick
>>up the new group as most do not honor newgroup control messages (or any
>>other control messages).
>
>major sites do not carry the a.f.d-s.* newsgroups.
Uh, most major sites don't carry alt.butt.harp, but that doesn't
mean it's "bogus". I know someone who used to read it all the
time, and enjoy the stories posted there.
Limited propagation doesn't make a newsgroup "bogus". Neither does
your not liking its existence.
Perhaps you're confused because you've seen trn/rn say "warning!
bogus newsgroup xxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxx", and you've decided that your
fan groups are bogus in the same way. That message just means that
a newsgroup is in your .newsrc which is not on your newsserver -
not necessarily that the newsgroup is bogus to the rest of the
world.
Or perhaps you're just a nut who refuses to stop ignoring facts.
[once again, I have removed news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, alt.config,
and alt.whiners.attention-craving]
-Neal Tucker
Tim May
> Limited propagation doesn't make a newsgroup "bogus". Neither does
> your not liking its existence.
>
> Perhaps you're confused because you've seen trn/rn say "warning!
> bogus newsgroup xxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxx", and you've decided that your
> fan groups are bogus in the same way. That message just means that
> a newsgroup is in your .newsrc which is not on your newsserver -
> not necessarily that the newsgroup is bogus to the rest of the
> world.
Indeed, some of the news servers my ISP has offered in the past did not
offer scruz.general!
Probably Dean thinks it then a "bogus" newsgroup. All the more so because
it is a group which often offends him.
No doubt Dean will be complaining to got.net that they should not be
carrying such a "bogus" group.
(And where are those "case numbers" you'be been threatening to release for
the past year or two?)
> [once again, I have removed news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, alt.config,
> and alt.whiners.attention-craving]
And I have added them back again. It is Dean's standard behavior to add
these newsgroups (or at least news.admin.net-abuse.usenet and alt.config)
while all the time complaining if anyone dares to add "scruz.general" to a
discussion which has started in ba.mountain-folk. No doubt because Dean
considers scruz.general to be a bogus group.
johnm...@my-dejanews.com
tc...@got.net (Tim May) wrote to Drainiac:
> (And where are those "case numbers" you'be been threatening to release for
> the past year or two?)
Yeah, Drainiac. The sheriff's office also wants to know as well.
Erik Max Francis
> How many accounts *do* you have, Mr. Hacker?
I'm wondering how you come to the conclusion that someone with accounts
on several machines is a "hacker," either by the traditional definition
(which is a compliment) or by the media-popularized version (which is
apparently the only definition you're familiar with).
Dean, if you don't want people to see what's on your web pages, then you
shouldn't put it there. It's positively bizarre that you put up
information on your web pages, systematically block everyone who looks
at them, and then whine and bitch when people actually _do_ look at
them.
What is wrong with you?
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Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>And you found a way to access it, despite the
>fact that you can't access it from area.com,
>work, etc.
>How many accounts *do* you have, Mr. Hacker?
How many restraining orders have you been to court over?
..Harrison
Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>In article <6u5tvl$ecm$1...@vax.area.com>, ntu...@area.com (Neal Tucker) wrote:
>
>>Limited propagation doesn't make a newsgroup "bogus".
>
>spam-like injection via uunet -- that's what made
>the newsgroups bogus.
You seem to know an awful lot about the process.
Do you have any logs, research or facts, or are you just
blathering on again?
..Harrison
Erik Max Francis
> Right, Tim. Sure Tim.
>
> Were you touching yourself and moaning during
> that lie? Do you get off from lying?
What the hell is wrong with you?
Why do you obviously _want_ to prolong your suffering?
Erik Max Francis
> You didn't create a newsgroup. You just
> added a non-existent group to your message
> header.
Wow! You're one hell of a News Administrator, that's for sure!
Give it a rest.
Neal Tucker
>je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us wrote:
>>
>>I think what Tim's saying is that it's not necessary to precipitate a
>>forgery in order to create an alt.something newsgroup.
>
>He's trying to obscure the issue.
Of course he is. There's a conspiracy to protect.
I forget -- was Tim in on the newsgroup creation or
is he just handling PR?
-Neal Tucker
Neal Tucker
>ntu...@area.com (Neal Tucker) wrote:
>
>>Limited propagation doesn't make a newsgroup "bogus".
>
>Right.
Now that we've agreed on this, you can SHUT UP about how few sites
carry your fan groups. It was a pathetic point when you first
brought it up, and it's going to be more pathetic next time you
bring it up..
Continue to argue the forgery angle, though. It makes you sound
much smarter (wink).
-Neal Tucker
Neal Tucker
>harr...@area.com (Harrison Page) wrote:
>
>>This "additional commentary" is just another one of Dean's long,
>>tired rants about how much he doesn't like his ex-girlfriend
>>and how he's being stalked/harassed by everybody. It's pretty
>>hilarious stuff.
>
>fact that you can't access it from area.com,
>work, etc.
Actually, I set up a web proxy so he could see it. Anyone
who's blocked and wants to see Dean's web pages, drop me
email and I'll hook you up. Until he figures out which
site the proxy is, of course.
>How many accounts *do* you have, Mr. Hacker?
Wow, so having a lot of accounts makes you a hacker or has
some sort of negative connotation? Is this like the rationale
that draws suspicion to people who buy things with cash?
-Neal Tucker
OldDgs
>Right, Tim. Sure Tim.
>
>Were you touching yourself and moaning during
>that lie? Do you get off from lying?
>
>
At least he doesn't get off with a latex girl like you do Dean .Or from
getting his knees dirty in a quarter booth at Frenchies Draino.I hear you have
a real efficent mouth.
Erik Max Francis
> And if you touch yourself during this pathetic
> display -- don't tell us.
Dean, what is wrong with you?
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Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>Well, gee... when people reveal what you did,
>Page, right there in alt.config...
People? Oh, here you go again, pretending like A Whole Bunch
of People came to your defense or something ridiculous. Here's
your Junior Jumble for the day, Draino: Name _one_ person,
other than your crazy self, that's ever said I had anything to
do with that mess.
Wasn't it just the other day when I asked you for logs or any
research that you might have done?
Don't quit your day job.
Hey, who played "Bennie Blanco" in _Carlito's Way_? I've seen
this guy before but I can't put my finger on who it is. It's
like being haunted by a guy in a leisure suit.
..Harrison
Neal Tucker
>
>(Is this like calling you a Nazi?)
No, it's more like having nothing useful to say.
-Neal Tucker
Neal Tucker
>
>And if you touch yourself during this pathetic
>display -- don't tell us.
That's the third person you've used this one on, if I recall
correctly. Do you have some sort of fixation?
-Neal Tucker
Neal Tucker
>
>Hey, who played "Bennie Blanco" in _Carlito's Way_? I've seen
>this guy before but I can't put my finger on who it is. It's
>like being haunted by a guy in a leisure suit.
STALKED IS MORE LIKE IT
OldDgs
>Dean, what is wrong with you?
>
>--
>Erik Max Francis
Christ on a crutch Eric. Did you have to start such a long list?
johnm...@my-dejanews.com
johnm...@my-dejanews.com
>
> > And if you touch yourself during this pathetic
> > display -- don't tell us.
>
Well, judging from his usual output, it would appear that he thinks about
touching himself a lot.
--
John J. Ackermann
"Man who play with weenie scream like Dean."
OldDgs
>Well, judging from his usual output, it would appear that he thinks about
>touching himself a lot.
Yeah ,who the hell would touch HIM? Though I do hear that he has a " purty
mouth".
Erik Max Francis
> In article <6ufjeb$bpr$1...@vax.area.com>, ntu...@area.com (Neal Tucker)
> wrote:
>
> >STALKED IS MORE LIKE IT
>
> You're creepy, Harrison.
And you're stupid, Dean.
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Erik Max Francis
> You did.
And when did he say that, you idiot?
> See, you're not bright enough to keep your mouth shut.
> You brag too much and say too much.
When?
> Then there's this other bit that's very incriminating
> for you.
>
> I've pointed it out to you before -- if you and Erik
> post 90% of the trash to the bogus a.f.d-s.* newsgroups,
> gee, don't you think someone might guess that you've
> had an interest in those newsgroups for a very, very
> long time? (Like long before you created them?)
How is that "incriminating," Dean? You have a lot to learn about
backing up your claims.
Harrison and I started posting long after (three or four months) the
newsgroup was created (which was your original claim; nice to see it's
changed again), and sure we post to alt.fan.dean-stark -- why not? It's
the appropriate forum, clearly. If you would take your bullshit there
I'm sure the scruz.general community would be much happier.
In your little mind I'm sure that constitutes some sort of "proof" of
involvement, but then again you are deranged.
Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>In article <6ufitl$b99$1...@vax.area.com>, ntu...@area.com (Neal Tucker) wrote:
>>J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>And if you touch yourself during this pathetic
>>>display -- don't tell us.
>>
>>correctly. Do you have some sort of fixation?
>
You missed! Over here, Draino!
>Oops, wrong account. Try harder.
When you got your restraining order, did you get a ticker
tape parade or just a stiff talking-to from Dad?
..Harrison
Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>In article <6ufjeb$bpr$1...@vax.area.com>, ntu...@area.com (Neal Tucker) wrote:
>>Harrison Page <harr...@area.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey, who played "Bennie Blanco" in _Carlito's Way_? I've seen
>>>this guy before but I can't put my finger on who it is. It's
>>>like being haunted by a guy in a leisure suit.
>>
>
>You're creepy, Harrison.
As it turns out, Benny Blanco was played by John Leguizamo. I
was surprised, I didn't know he was in that flick.
http://www.enclave.org/it_was_john_lequizamo_dean_thanks_for_nothing
..Harrison
Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>In article <6ufdp6$4qq$1...@vax.area.com>, harr...@area.com (Harrison Page) wrote:
>>Name _one_ person,
>>other than your crazy self, that's ever said I had anything to
>>do with that mess.
>>
>
>See, you're not bright enough to keep your mouth shut.
>You brag too much and say too much.
Do you have anything to back up your claim here, other
than your (soiled) word? You sound like a broken record
_and_ a poorly-written character in a PBS Mystery. I
mean, really, if you're going to make statements like
that, at least have _proof_ to back you up.
>Then there's this other bit that's very incriminating
>for you.
>
>I've pointed it out to you before -- if you and Erik
>post 90% of the trash to the bogus a.f.d-s.* newsgroups,
>gee, don't you think someone might guess that you've
>had an interest in those newsgroups for a very, very
>long time? (Like long before you created them?)
Hoo boy, you've got something jammed into your brain. But
I'm willing to try and understand DeanLogic(tm). I'd say
you created those groups, because, after all, you're pretty
interested in them! (You keep bringing the topic up for
some reason.) Ah, DeanLogic! Using the same tools, I'd say
you're obsessed with, ah, nevermind, you know the drill.
Anyway, we've been through this before, Dean: I hadn't
thought to post to a.f.d-s.* until months after the
groups had been around. Clearly, you have no logs and
have done no research, but don't let that stop you from
making unfounded accusations. Meanwhile, I will continue
to cross-post there and annoy you in the process. Haw, haw.
Waiting patiently for case numbers also,
..Harrison
Neal Tucker
>harr...@area.com (Harrison Page) wrote:
>
>>Name _one_ person,
>>other than your crazy self, that's ever said I had anything to
>>do with that mess.
>
>post 90% of the trash to the bogus a.f.d-s.* newsgroups,
>gee, don't you think someone might guess that you've
>had an interest in those newsgroups for a very, very
>long time?
Wow, sounds like some pretty incriminating proof, Dean.
(Hint: it's not. In fact, it doesn't even make sense.)
-Neal Tucker
Neal Tucker
>ntu...@area.com (Neal Tucker) wrote:
>
>>No, it's more like having nothing useful to say.
>
>steal your job
That is awesome, dude! I absolutely *love* the I-know-you-are-but-
what-am-I defense. You are truly a pro.
> , Harrison.
Oh isn't that cute, he called me harrison again.
Dear Dean Stark,
Now that your amazing powers of observation have proved it to
everyone, I might as well admit it. I really am Harrison Page.
I will continue to post as "Neal Tucker", but you don't need to
point out to everyone that I'm Harrison, as I'm admitting it
right here out in the open. The reason for it is that you seem
so distracted by pointing out (very cleverly I might add) that
I am Harrison Page, that you seldom respond to any of the things
I say which make you look so foolish. Now we don't have to waste
so much of your breath on something everyone already knows, and
you can address the real issues.
-Neal Tucker
Harrison Page
> Oh isn't that cute, he called me harrison again.
Give him some slack, he's not very bright.
>I am Harrison Page
Fine, then I'm Dean Stark!
-- D.
OldDgs
>You're creepy, Harrison.
Lost your muse? No creativity? You're down to witless oneliners Draino.
J.R. Dean
>Now that your amazing powers of observation have proved it to
>everyone, I might as well admit it. I really am Harrison Page.
Ah, damn. And here I thought you were the infamous
author and poet Charles Bukowski trying to sound like
Harrison Page.
Thank ghod you didn't claim you're Pynchon. The
universe would immediately suffer heat death and
implosion due to the karmic imbalance.
>I will continue to post as "Neal Tucker", but you don't need to
>point out to everyone that I'm Harrison, as I'm admitting it
>right here out in the open. The reason for it is that you seem
>so distracted by pointing out (very cleverly I might add) that
>I am Harrison Page, that you seldom respond to any of the things
>I say which make you look so foolish.
Or, I respond to none of these "foolish" things
because they make only *you* look foolish...
foolish and obsessed.
You're a grown man. You should be ashamed. That
you are not is a testament to your sociopathic
looniness.
>Now we don't have to waste
>so much of your breath on something everyone already knows, and
>you can address the real issues.
>
You mean, real issues like all other topics that
have nothing to do with you? Oh, thank you, thank
you!
Stop posting idiocy and save the world. Do the
right thing. Give peace a chance, Harrison.
Neal Tucker
that one. BUHHH STALKING MYSELF -Neal]
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>Or, I respond to none of these "foolish" things
>because they make only *you* look foolish...
>foolish and obsessed.
Foolish and obsessed, my ass. You should be proud, Dean,
you're the most interesting thing on scruz.general right
now (considering that the alternative is BOX STORES). If
you quit shooting your mouth off and calling everyone
around you names, you would cease to be.
>You're a grown man. You should be ashamed. That
>you are not is a testament to your sociopathic
>looniness.
Wonderful. Dean goes around flaming everyone in sight,
telling obvious lies and changing he story at the drop
of a hat, yet when I call you an idiot, I'm suddenly
sociopathic.
>You mean, real issues like all other topics that
>have nothing to do with you?
Most of what's on usenet has nothing to do with me. What
difference does it make? If I see you claiming things
that are obviously complete lies, I may choose to point
that out. In fact, I enjoy it, because you've made it
clear for a long time that you're an asshole.
Besides, you sort of made me personally involved when you
called me a child molester.
>Stop posting idiocy and save the world. Do the
>right thing.
Well, considering I've never started any of these threads,
only responded, I hardly see myself as the root of the
problem. Who do you think is?
-Neal Tucker
Erik Max Francis
> >Besides, you sort of made me personally involved when you
> >called me a child molester.
>
> Uh, when was that?
>
> Hey... Harrison claimed this.
You really have an awful memory, Dean. Don't you remember when you were
suggesting that Harrison was a child molester? (I like your phrase
"Harrison claimed this," when you know that Harrison said it and what he
said was absolutely true.)
Then don't you remember when you were saying that Neal Tucker and
Harrison Page were the same person (a delusion you still appear to be
under, you pathetic loser), and that since Harrison Page was a child
molester, so was Neal Tucker? Hmm?
By the way, I notice how you you're regularly using X-No-Archive: yes in
your posts. Tired of getting bashed by your own words getting thrown
back at you, hmm, Dean? No matter, there are other ways of digging up
your old posts.
> Whoops. Guess you really *are* Harrison Page, aka
> "Stretchpants the Male Whore." I was just kidding,
> you stupid goober. Now you go and deliberately give
> it all away.
Sigh.
> Is it true you're obsessed with straight men to the
> point of pacing the halls at work, ranting and muttering
> until your fellow employees caught you and you decided,
> "Gee... maybe I should stop before someone thinks
> badly of me"?
Dean, as a writer, you really say the word _obsessed_ too much -- you
use it practically in every post. Perhaps you should consider an
investment in a thesaurus, or perhaps a muzzle?
> Stay tuned for more pathetic stories about Harrison
> Page, Man-Stalker. It's a hoot when Page goes social
> engineering for personal information about the foci
> of his man-love obsessions... and thinks no one will
> ever relay his queries to the men he's furiously
> digging for like a mad dog after an imaginary bone.
You know, Dean, it would really help your case if now and again you
could try to make _some tiny amount of sense_. All I get out of this is
that you're a babbling, hallucinating, homophobic idiot.
Perhaps you should follow doctor's orders and take another two-week
respite from Usenet. I mean, really, Dean, it's clearly not doing you
any good.
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Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>You're a grown man. You should be ashamed. That
>you are not is a testament to your sociopathic
>looniness.
Somebody needs to take his own adviiiiiiiice!
..Harrison
Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>Hey... Harrison claimed this.
Lie.
>Stay tuned for more pathetic stories about Harrison
>Page, Man-Stalker. It's a hoot when Page goes social
>engineering for personal information about the foci
>of his man-love obsessions... and thinks no one will
>ever relay his queries to the men he's furiously
>digging for like a mad dog after an imaginary bone.
Here's the difference between you 'n me, Dean:
You have been reduced to telling lies and strange little
stories that don't sound very much more like Dean Stark
Ranting Again. Congratulations, Dean, you can't seem to
do more than make silly shit up.
On the other hand, when I refer to you as Restraining-Order
Boy, I'm referring to an actual, embarassing incident in
your life. This makes your claims about being stalked and
harassed sound ridiculous, wouldn't you say?
Did your restraining order come with a side dish? Fries?
Cole slaw? Baked beans? A slurpee?
..Harrison
Harrison Page
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>The difference is that I don't have to make up this sick
>shit. Several people who know you were only too happy
>to *volunteer* these pathetic, sad, disturbing stories
>about you after telling me about how you were contacting
>my friends, co-workers, and past employers for info about
>me. In some cases you tried to pass yourself off as a friend
>of mine who'd lost contact with me and wanted to know my
>current job, residence, etc.
Uh, I hate to break this to you Dean, but you're lying. You
sound wildly paranoid. I don't know anybody who has worked
with you and I certainly don't know any of your (inflatable)
friends. Would you care to name names or provide any more
details that this thing you say actually occured, other than
your word?
I didn't think so.
>I'd watch my step if I were you.
I call SHENANIGANS on you, Stark-o.
You've claimed you filed police reports in the past. You
were lying! Of course you were lying about filing them,
you would be in a considerable amount of trouble for filing
false police reports to harass people.
All you have to do is _behave_ yourself, Dean. You're worse
than Stephen Boursey and all those other net.kooks combined,
except that you don't actually cause any damage in the real
world. Just stop acting like such a complete asshole and
nobody will have word one to say about you.
Stop the bullshit legal threats. Stop telling people where they
can and cannot post. Stop the "anonymous" messages, stop the
flame wars, stop behaving like you do. Get it?
>Now maybe other people reading this won't know if I'm
>relaying an accurate account or not (I am)
I think that other people reading your posts don't believe
you. You do not have a reputation for telling the truth.
Case numbers, anybody? (Believe me, Dean, I could go on and
on pointing out your lies, half-truths and changed stories.)
>, but what's
>really nice is that you know *precisely* what I'm
>talking about and it's probably caused one of your
>infamous pacing and ranting sessions.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I think that you
would _like_ to believe that I "pace and rant" and that I'm
somehow unstable, but let's face it, Dean, your wishes don't
match reality, no matter how hard you try and sell it.
>Stop it. NOW.
Get a life, Dean. You're not even that interesting. I'm content
to point out that you're a liar and a wacko. Say, speaking of
you being a wacko, I was wondering: Did your restraining order
come with a free car wax? How about some Rice-a-Roni? Anything
other than a judge's orders to behave yourself?
..Harrison
Erik Max Francis
> Page claimed I'd accused him of this. I didn't.
>
> I pointed out some of his own posts wherein he
> seemed to be accusing himself of this terrible
> crime.
>
> Now here's "Tucker" making the claim that I
> accused him. Guess I was wrong joking about
> Page being Tucker since he's now saying he
> *is* Page.
>
> Some people.
Dean, you are a fucking idiot. I don't know any other way to say it.
You have repeatedly suggested that Harrison is a child molester,
infatuated with young boys, etc. You then insisted that since, in your
dim bulb, Harrison and Neal must be the same person, then Neal therefore
is a child molester as well.
Don't you remember? Here you go, dipshit:
I said that some of your posts, and those of your friends, indicate
that you appear to have an unhealthy obsession with underage boys.
[1]
No, Page, you have, according to your friends, an unhealthy
fixation/obsession with underage boys. At this point whether or not
you have "acted out" on these impulses is unclear. [2]
You left one [option] out. You are Harrison and you are a child
molestor. [3]
[to Neal Tucker] I have reason to believe you are a potential child
molester if you are Harrison Page. [4]
More to the point, would Netizens believe that [Harrison Page] might
be a potential child molester, or at the very least an absolute
sicko? [5]
Incidentally, I didn't accuse Page of being a pedophile -- I
mentioned his apparent obsession/infatuation with underage boys. [6]
BTW, Page -- tell us about you obsession with underage boys. [7]
In any case, it's clear that Page/Tucker/Kiddiefucker is obsessed
... [8]
Here you are, clearly indicating that you think Harrison is a child
molester, or a potential child molester, and here you are, suggesting
that since Neal is Harrison, then Neal is one too. I'm sure you're
going to pick some nit about how are innocent from libel because you
didn't _know_ that these imaginary "rumors" were false, but, of course,
that doesn't protect you from libel one bit, sine you are the one said
the magic words.
Is Harrison really a child molester, Dean? If you are so sure, why
haven't you gone straight to the police, as people have suggested many
times in the past? You of course know why: Because you know that
filing a false police report regarding a felonious act is itself a
felony. Now kindly shut the fuck up.
You can see several backpedalling attempts Dean uses here: He uses
words like "potential" and "I heard that ..." to try to offload blame to
some anonymous party. Not only are claims of hearing such rumors from
Harrison's friends patently false (and of course never backed up, go
figure), but it doesn't make it any less libellous.
For the record, of course, Harrison Page and Neal Tucker are not and
never have been child molesters; Dean is simply attempting to throw more
vacuous claims into his already ample pot. Dean has referred to this
attempt at accusing/suggesting that people are potential/actual child
molesters as a form of "taunting" (his word), when in fact it is
incredibly stupid to make such blatantly libellous comments about
someone.
Not surprisingly, Dean has tried this with at least three other people.
I'm sure he thinks that he's dealing a lethal blow with his rapier wit,
but all he's doing is being terribly foolish.
> So if I *had* accused Page... then that automatically
> means that "Tucker" was accused, too, even if I didn't
> specifically say this in a post to "Tucker"?
Read your own words, shithead.
> You're saying that Page *is* Tucker... and somehow I
> get the impression you don't mean to say that.
>
> Whoops.
Yawn. You and your pathetic attempts at word games.
> Reason Numero Uno: It bugs the piss out of you,
> and makes your obsessive "Dean-scanning" more
> difficult.
Nah, don't worry, there are other alternatives to finding your posts,
Dean.
> Yeah, yeah. I know, you're big, bad, and
> obsessed. What else is new?
Man you just love that word.
> So why haven't you posted these accusations
> allegedly made against Page/Tucker, huh?
Gee, because I thought you might have actually _remembered what you
said_, or perhaps _were capable of using DejaNews_? Both are obviously
not the case.
> BTW, I've got an amusing story to tell about
> you accusing someone of being "Dean" that circumstan-
> tially shows that you forged the newgroup control
> messages for at least some of the a.f.d-s.*
> newsgroups.
>
> Whoops, whoops, whoops.
>
> You just never learn, do you?
>
> Stay tuned.
Dean, no one fucking cares. Your "circumstantial" evidence never makes
sense to anyone but you, and your direct claims of alleged "proof" that
I created those newsgroups has been summarily shot down (not to mention
that it has evolved over the years at least twice).
No one cares about your precious alt.fan.dean-stark.* hierarchy, no one
cares who created it, and none of your claims about anyone creating it
have ever been shown to be remotely plausible. Go screw yourself, Dean.
.
1. <5ifk0o$a...@news.scruz.net>
2. <5js6co$b...@news.scruz.net>
3. <6c3ovp$1...@news.scruz.net>
4. <6c7sh0$8...@news.scruz.net>
5. <6c8oqg$a...@news.scruz.net>
6. <5i8sf9$f...@news.scruz.net>
7. <5i4aef$2...@news.scruz.net>
8. <6brg21$b...@news.scruz.net>
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Neal Tucker
>
>So if I *had* accused Page... then that automatically
>means that "Tucker" was accused, too, even if I didn't
>specifically say this in a post to "Tucker"?
But you did specifically say that in a post to me. Here is
the quote, from article <6c3ovp$1...@news.scruz.net>, which is
a direct response to one of my posts:
"You are Harrison and you are a child molestor."
Do you still deny that you made this ridiculous accusation?
-Neal Tucker
Erik Max Francis
> Yup. I gave you a hypothetical list to match your
> *own* list. Thank Erik for making this clear in his
> own post. (He's ever so helpful, though stupid.)
Yes, Dean, you were suggesting that in fact the possibilities he listed
were wrong, and that in fact Neal was both Harrison and a child
molester. Hey, guess what, that's the same as claiming he's a child
molester.
Man are you dumb.
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Harrison
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>That's the message that arrived for me from a department
>manager when I returned for a second contract at the
>same company.
Headers, logs and research is all we ask. I'm afraid your
word that this happened isn't good enough. Do you expect
people to believe what you say, even after you spent so
much time lying about your mythical case numbers?
>Oh, yeah, you know *exactly* what I'm talking about,
>numbnuts.
I hate to break this to you, Starkable, but no, I don't.
>>Uh, I hate to break this to you Dean, but you're lying.
>
>How'd I know about the tarantula in your office, moron?
>
>My friend told me about it in creepy and unflattering
>detail.
Oh, your FRIEND!
The magical, wonderful FRIEND that never gets named and
backs up everything you say! Is this the same LAWYER FRIEND
you invoked recently to one-up Tim May? Could this be the
same friend who WORKED AS A BOUNCER and would KICK MY ASS
if I continued to laff at you?
I think it's more likely that you read my web page and now
you're trying to intimidate me with "inside information".
Your claims have a very interesting flaw in them, I'll leave
it up to you, Dean, to figure out what that flaw is and how
it makes a liar out of you.
So now you claim to know about the quality of the code I
write and the contents of my office. Are you stalking me,
Dean? When did you start stalking men, I thought you were
more of a lady killer?
>Flame wars... like the ones you began when you and Erik
>poked your noses into s.g for no other reason that to
>lie about me and poke at me?
You were making such a huge pest of yourself, it was only
a matter of time before you drew a fan club. Since I have
arrived, you've (a.) stopped cancelling other people's
posts and (b.) stopped claiming to have power over others
as some kind of "local admin", whatever that is. Progress
has been made in teaching you how to behave yourself.
>Or anonymous messages like the following--?
>
>>From: nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
>>Newsgroups: scruz.general,ba.mountain-folk,alt.peeves,alt.tasteless
>>Subject: Dean Stark Drinking Game
>>Date: 18 Nov 1997 05:14:28 +0100
>>Organization: Replay and Company UnLimited
>>
>>Play the Dean Stark Drinking Game! Woof!
>>
>>Take one drink for each condition met in one of Draino's posts. If you
>>puke you have to drink ten drinks the next day and start over.
>
>It certainly read like vintage Harrison Page...
Haha!
I cannot take credit for that. That's hilarious.
Post the whole thing, would you?
>Hey, here's a thought, you blithering idiot: Why
>not apply your alleged principles to yourself?
When you got your restraining order, did you get a cup of
fruit or any kind of gift at all? Did the judge make you
wear a sign or anything? Do your neighbors know about you
and your history with the courts?
..Harrison
Neal Tucker
>>
>>Do you still deny that you made this ridiculous accusation?
>
>*own* list. Thank Erik for making this clear in his
>own post. (He's ever so helpful, though stupid.)
Dean, your hypothetical "list" consisted of the one case you
were willing to consider: that I am Harrison Page, and that
he's a child molester. Considering the weight of these claims,
I think I have plenty of reason to be upset at you, and so does
Harrison.
-Neal Tucker
Tim May
<m...@alcyone.com> wrote:
>
> Jesus are stupid.
>
The correct Ebonics form is "Jesus am stupid."
--Tim May
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Erik Max Francis
> They are? All men named Jesus?
Gee, isn't it funny that youre replying to a post, trimming out all the
relevant parts, and then pointing the typo (in a post which was
cancelled and then corrected) so that you can try to win an argument?
If you recall, Draino, I was pointing out how you were calling Harrison
Page and Neal Tucker child molesters. Funny how you choose to dodge
that. Funny, that is, but not surprising.
> Goin' ta hell now,
One can only hope.
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Erik Max Francis
> >Yes, Dean, you were suggesting that in fact the possibilities he
> >listed
> >were wrong, and that in fact Neal was both Harrison and a child
> >molester. Hey, guess what, that's the same as claiming he's a child
> >molester.
>
> So why don't you guys repost it to prove this?
I did the first time I mentioned it, you idiot. Here's the full quote
(why you're soliciting this, I have no idea, since it makes you look
like an even bigger ass):
.
Path: nixon.area.com!news.he.net!news.scruz.net!obelisk
From: jrd+u...@enclave.org (J.R. Dean)
Newsgroups: scruz.general
Subject: Re: USENET ABUSE -- forgery (Re: Shall I created a day's
work...)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:43:09 GMT
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Xref: nixon.area.com scruz.general:31191
In article <6c28nl$7l4$1...@nixon.area.com>, ntu...@vax.area.com (Neal
Tucker) wrote:
>You have three choices:
>I am Harrison and he's not a child molester.
>I am not Harrison and he IS a child molester.
>I am not Harrison and he is not a child molester.
>
You left one out.
You are Harrison and you are a child molestor.
Actually, I would have said a "potential child
molestor" since I have nothing but the word of
of Harrison Page about his interest in young boys,
but it's your choice.
-- D.
.
So there you are, suggesting that the alternatives that Neal gave were
wrong, and in fact both he and Harrison are child molesters (which is
libel and you know it). Please, please, tell us all about how you were
not saying that, when you obviously are. Idiot.
> "Yo, homie, yoo be fuckin' stoopid."
What is fucking wrong with you?
Got any new restraining orders lately?
Erik Max Francis
> Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about this
> story. *You* know it's true, and that's worth it
> to watch you squirm, you shameless man-stalker.
If it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, why are you posting this
to scruz.general, Dean? Wouldn't be more appropriately for email, or
perhaps emailed to postmasters that you've found in the Path header and
thought had any relevance whatsoever (haha, we all got a good laugh
about that one), or perhaps your fat lawyer girlfriend who for all we
know may be the next woman (notice I said _next_, not _first_) to file a
restraining order against you?
Neal Tucker
>harr...@area.com (Harrison) wrote:
>
>>Headers, logs and research is all we ask. I'm afraid your
>>word that this happened isn't good enough. Do you expect
>>people to believe what you say, even after you spent so
>>much time lying about your mythical case numbers?
>
>case numbers are the people who already know what
>happened, that is, that they did indeed do what I've
>said?
>
>Same with e-mail headers.
But you're talking out your ass, here, Dean. The people who
weren't directly involved cannot corroborate this obvservation,
so it's useless to us. What are you trying to prove?
Basically, your chain of reasoning here is that the accused
are obviously guilty because they are asking you to provide
some evidence of their wrongdoing. Seems like a pretty
reasonable request to me.
>Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about this
>story. *You* know it's true, and that's worth it
>to watch you squirm, you shameless man-stalker.
I hardly think "put up or shut up" could be considered
"squirming". So far your evidence that these people have
done anything to you is your word, which ain't worth much,
even ignoring your reputation.
-Neal Tucker
J.R. Dean
>..
Note that last paragraph. "Nothing but the
word of Harrison Page," which as we've seen
from his posts as both himself and Neal Tucker,
are not to be trusted.
Thanks for making my point, idiot.
-- D.
Erik Max Francis
> Note that last paragraph. "Nothing but the
> word of Harrison Page," which as we've seen
> from his posts as both himself and Neal Tucker,
> are not to be trusted.
>
> Thanks for making my point, idiot.
Made your point? The post shows you pointing out that a better
hypothesis is that Harrison and Neal are not only one and the same but
both child molesters. Your use of "nothing but the word of Harrison
Page" is complete nonsense, since he has never said any such thing,
ever, and you very well know it.
Stop being a fool, Dean. You called them both child molesters, numerous
times. Now move on with your life.
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Erik Max Francis
> In article <363394E4...@alcyone.com>, Erik Max Francis
> <m...@alcyone.com> wrote:
>
> >Made your point? The post shows you pointing out that a better
> >hypothesis is that Harrison and Neal are not only one and the same
> >but both child molesters.
>
> Let the record show that Erik "MC2" Max Francis believes
> that the best hypothesis is that "Harrison and Neal are
> not only one and the same but both child molesters."
>
> Having fun with your new brain?
Jesus, Dean, you should either gain some maturity or some intelligence.
You're supposed to be a writer, right, and you don't see the ". . .
shows you pointing out that . . ." in that quote?
Not shows _me_ pointing out, shows _you_. You were the one making that
suggestion, not me.
No one was bothering you, Dean, and here you are, going out of your way
to stir up trouble again by replying to one of my posts over two weeks
old. And you call _other_ people obsessed?
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Neal Tucker
>Erik Max Francis <m...@alcyone.com> wrote:
>
>>Made your point? The post shows you pointing out that a better
>>hypothesis is that Harrison and Neal are not only one and the same but
>>both child molesters.
>
>Let the record show that Erik "MC2" Max Francis believes
>that the best hypothesis is that "Harrison and Neal are
>not only one and the same but both child molesters."
Let the record show that all Dean is interested in is trying to
interpret people's words in the wrong way in order to "prove"
how right he is.
Face it, Dean. You know that's not what he thinks, and pretending
otherwise just makes it clear to everyone that you're only here to
cause trouble. You're a schmuck.
-Neal Tucker