Wow, Mel!
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
I can't believe what an amazing time we had! I don't usually do
social stuff, but this was clearly an exception and we (Kathy and
I, both) are *so* glad that we didn't miss it.
I'm really glad that I got a chance to meet everybody, there. I'll
tell ya the truth -- I was a *little* concerned about meeting the
peevers. Well, ya know -- net.personas and all. It's difficult to
know how much is hype and how much is real. I'm glad to say that my
concerns were *completely* unfounded....well, with the exception of
Vinnie (pics to be posted when they arrive. The doc says that, with
a few weeks of traction, my neck should be *almost* as good as new).
I was kinda surprised to see Mel hanging all over Julian like that,
though. Worst of enemies AND you are supposed to be married, Mel.
<tsk, tsk>
Serious note: I *highly* recommend that nobody do some of the things
that were discussed. As fun as it might be, think (please) about
being on the receiving end of it. There's enough trouble, there,
already.
All in all, a most amazing group of people. Thank you all for letting
us be part of it; and thanks, Mel, for setting it up.
--
Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss's job.
It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
_______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby gl...@mail.cruzio.com http://www2.cruzio.com/~glena/
Reality is a point of view
+---- gl...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote (Sun, 8 Jun 1997 02:35:02 GMT):
| social stuff, but this was clearly an exception and we (Kathy and
| I, both) are *so* glad that we didn't miss it.
Yep.
| concerns were *completely* unfounded....well, with the exception of
| Vinnie
+----
A trend. heh
--
Gary Johnson gjoh...@season.com
Privacy on the net is still illegal.
Reality is a point of view
+---- geo...@cruzio.com wrote (Sun, 8 Jun 1997 02:18:24 GMT):
| Putting the names and faces together and experiencing
| people as people instead of phospher dots goes a long
| way in promoting social harmony.
+----
And Geoff rocks, even if he is a fan of republics.
Geoff Wells
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:
>I can't believe what an amazing time we had! I don't usually do
>social stuff, but this was clearly an exception and we (Kathy and
>I, both) are *so* glad that we didn't miss it.
I had a fine time as well.
It was pleasant, enjoyable, interesting and social.
Putting the names and faces together and experiencing
people as people instead of phospher dots goes a long
way in promoting social harmony.
Thanks to all who attended for an enjoyable Saturday afternoon.
Geoffrey Wells
geo...@cruzio.com
Larry Colen
Geoff Wells (geo...@cruzio.com) wrote:
: gl...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:
: >I can't believe what an amazing time we had! I don't usually do
: >social stuff, but this was clearly an exception and we (Kathy and
: >I, both) are *so* glad that we didn't miss it.
: I had a fine time as well.
It was a very enjoyable afternoon. I've always preferred the
net as a means of meeting people in person rather than a means
of avoiding meeting them in person.
It was also interesting to note the subtle changes in the
local "geek-scene". For one, the geeks are getting older.
Jeff L. made some comment about reinstigating the nerd nosh.
This reminded me of when I first got involved in the local
electronic community (on Przxggl or however it was spelled).
Back then there were several geek communities, primarily
the BBS crowd and the UCSC crowd. Quite often people would
throw parties inviting both groups.
I'd like to propose a Santa-Cruz pan-geek get together.
Either a late night fudrun, a beach party or just a
picnic at San Lorenzo park. Anybody interested?
--
Larry Colen l...@netcom.COM pager: 408-697-8377 (OYSTERS)
"You actually *worry* about physics? Your attitude always seemed
pretty cavalier to me!" -James Vasbinder
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <lrcEBH...@netcom.com>, l...@netcom.com (Larry Colen) writes:
>
> It was also interesting to note the subtle changes in the
> local "geek-scene". For one, the geeks are getting older.
HEY! Watch it, kid!
Actually, if one does it correctly, getting older is the natural progression.
> Jeff L. made some comment about reinstigating the nerd nosh.
Aw, this is just another of Jeff's conspiracies. In fact, I think that
Jeff is nothing more than the result of one of his own conspiracy theories
that kinda got outta hand.
> I'd like to propose a Santa-Cruz pan-geek get together.
> Either a late night fudrun, a beach party or just a
> picnic at San Lorenzo park. Anybody interested?
Any of these intended to be clothing optional?
With the exception of that, we're up for it. Mel, you've created a
monster. Congratulations!
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5ngf7r$n...@news.scruz.net>, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
>
> But before that -- if anyone is entertaining "trying
> some of the things discussed" -- don't even think it.
> I'm not fucking around with idiots anymore. If you
> want to spend time in jail or in court -- that's
> your prerogative. But you *have* been warned.
Darn, Dean -- you are *so* hard to help. I posted that suggestion as
an attempt to just kind of curtail all of the fun that some were toying
with the idea of having. I played a part in that, too. I was (on my
part) nothing more than some mental cops-and-robbers -- just a game of
"what if". I was concerned that some might take it seriously.
Your vacuous threats do nothing to help stop all of this. In fact, they
seem to up the anti.
Tim May
> In article <lrcEBH...@netcom.com>, l...@netcom.com (Larry Colen) writes:
> >
> > It was also interesting to note the subtle changes in the
> > local "geek-scene". For one, the geeks are getting older.
>
> HEY! Watch it, kid!
>
> Actually, if one does it correctly, getting older is the natural progression.
>
> > Jeff L. made some comment about reinstigating the nerd nosh.
I'm convinced the use of the terms "geek" and "nerd" as self-descriptions
is a sign of age differences. At the age of 45, as I am, I remember when
both terms were grave insults (I still think they are, by the way). I
cannot understand why the younger engineers and programmers--perfectly
fine names, those--are now referring to themselves as "geeks" and "nerds."
I don't know about you, but I'd hardly be flattered if a woman came up to
me and said, "Hey, aren't you that geek who used to be in the Astronomy
Club in high school?"
Or, "Look at those dweebs and nerds over there."
I suppose it's related to why so many niggers are reclaiming that word.
(Use of this term is deliberate. Me, I prefer to say "black," a term I
adopted with alacrity in the 1965-7 period when it replaced "negro" or
"Negro." it was descriptive, noble, short, and replaced the baggage-laden
extant terms. The latest PC term, "persons of color" is just another
variant of "colored people." I don't understand why so many white liberals
get so offended when I refer to blacks as "the coloreds." Isn't this the
name they want me to use? :-})
The whole concept of "reclaiming" names and thereby defanging their insult
value--or so the theory goes--is a PC notion. One does not "reclaim"
derogatory names like "queer" by demanding that UCSC rename one of its
programs "Queer Studies." What's next, "Fag and Dyke History"? Maybe
"Nigger Studies"? Or Kikeology and Spickology?
Geeks, dweebs, and nebbishes could march on the UCSC Admin Building and
hold a sit-in, demanding that the Department of Computer Science be
renamed "Nerd Studies."
Geeks of color, if there is such an animal, could form alliances with
queer kikes and spick fags to form a multidisciplary department. They
could call it "History of Consciousness."
--Tim May
--
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---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
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Tim May
In article <5nhr7n$r...@news.scruz.net>, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean)
wrote:
> Right up until last Saturday morning several people
> were still begging me to attend, so please don't
> tell me that no one expected me to attend. This
> was the same sort of crap we saw for the BC peeve-
> fests: yet another fucking setup. It was certainly
> nice of people to lie about keeping things "safe."
Yes, we expected you to attend...those waiting by the door to give the
rest of us fair warning were really tired as the hours wore on. (I was not
invited to be one of the watchers, as I don't know what you look
like,,,your NCIC entry being as devoid of a picture as Pynchon's NCIC
entry giving his home address in Aptos.)
>
> So have you stepped up into this "TRW" garbage to take
> credit for it? I thought that credit belonged to
> Mark Jasper (ma...@got.net). You glory hog, you.
No credit for me. I just said "If I saw..."
> BTW -- the CRA that went by the name of "TRW" is no
> longer known by that name. You should've known that,
> if you'd done your homework.
Like "Xerox," the name has entered the lexicon as being synonymous with
CRAs. I don't track them, but the three I remember are TransUnion.
Equifax, and the CRA Formerly Known as TRW Credit, since sold off to
others.
Anyway, I liked the suggestion that if you wouldn't come to the scruzfest,
the scruzfest should travel to your place....
Jeff Liebermann
Larry Colen (l...@netcom.com) wrote:
: It was also interesting to note the subtle changes in the
Yeah, I know. In a few months, I'll be half a century old.
I also was told that I now look like a Unix geek.
: Jeff L. made some comment about reinstigating the nerd nosh.
I did say that. Now, if I could only remember why I said that.
: I'd like to propose a Santa-Cruz pan-geek get together.
: Either a late night fudrun, a beach party or just a
: picnic at San Lorenzo park. Anybody interested?
Good idea. I had difficulties hearing the conversation over
the music and noise. Any place that's reasonably quiet would
be fine.
--
# Jeff Liebermann Liebermann Design 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 408.336.2558 voice wb6ssy@ki6eh.#cca.ca.usa.noam wb6ssy.ampr.org 44.4.18.10
# 408.699.0483 digital_pager 73557,2074 cis [don't]
# je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us http://www.cruzio.com/~jeffl
Jeff Liebermann
Tim May (tc...@got.net) wrote:
: I'm convinced the use of the terms "geek" and "nerd" as self-descriptions
: is a sign of age differences. At the age of 45, as I am, I remember when
: both terms were grave insults (I still think they are, by the way). I
: cannot understand why the younger engineers and programmers--perfectly
: fine names, those--are now referring to themselves as "geeks" and "nerds."
Consulting the source (Eric Raymond's "Jargon" circa 1992):
(Duz anyone have a later version handy?)
:computer geek: n. One who eats (computer) bugs for a living. One
who fulfills all the dreariest negative stereotypes about hackers:
an asocial, malodorous, pasty-faced monomaniac with all the
personality of a cheese grater. Cannot be used by outsiders
without implied insult to all hackers; compare black-on-black usage
of `nigger'. A computer geek may be either a fundamentally
clueless individual or a proto-hacker in {larval stage}. Also
called `turbo nerd', `turbo geek'. See also {propeller head},
{clustergeeking}, {geek out}, {wannabee}, {terminal
junkie}, {spod}, {weenie}.
Oh swell. So all these years of being called a geek or nerd,
I didn't know I was being insulted. Remind me to assault all
my former friends, relatives and business contacts.
The term "nerd" came from the 60's surfers. A nerd
was someone that preferred to study instead of surf.
A dweeb was a nerd that actually was trying to surf
but not doing very well. A hodad was a dweeb that
managed to stay up long enough to become a menace
in the water and on the beach. Most of these terms
came from aging beatnick poets on Venice beach. For
example, nerd is a contraction of "never do well".
Dweeb was the sound made by a clumsy surfer hitting
the water. No clue where hodad came from.
I think what may have happened is that "nerd" became a fashion
statement after the movie "Revenge of the Nerds" and subsequent
clones. The term "geek" came from the circus and describes
those with sufficient physical abnormalities that the unwashed
masses are willing to pay money to view. "Revenge of the Geeks"
would have sounded strange so it became nerds. The rest is
history as short haircuts, white socks, pocket protectors and
pager sales skyrocketed.
In a previous posting, I speculated that the fashions
of the future would be whatever the current oppressed
minorities or sub-groups were wearing to be distinctive.
(Copy of conspiracy on request). It is difficult to
imagine that the current attempts to emulate the alien
invader look originated with the popularization of the
nerd look. However, it's not totally improbable.
Whatever the source, I personally do not feel insulted
when called a nerd or computer geek. It's an image that
I've carefully cultivated for business purposes. No self
respecting clueless MIS type would ever hire a computer
consultant that looks and acts normal. They expect wierd
looks and attitudes. I don't want to disappoint them.
It doesn't bother me. When I look in the mirror, I see
an asocial, malodorous, pasty-faced monomaniac with all the
personality of a cheese grater. Oh-oh.
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Tim May
In article <5ni65o$1...@comix.comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>,
je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann) wrote:
> Oh swell. So all these years of being called a geek or nerd,
> I didn't know I was being insulted. Remind me to assault all
> my former friends, relatives and business contacts.
Whether you actually feel insulted or not is not clear (I admire you for
leaving things ambiguous and not adding smileys), but I certainly refuse
to call myself a "geek" or a "dweeb" or a "nerd." And when young
programmers introduce themselves as "geeks" in my presence, I try to point
out to the error of their geeky, dweeby ways. Some of them have even taken
to saying "I'm a programmer" instead of the skulky "Oh, I'm just sort of a
nerd."
> I think what may have happened is that "nerd" became a fashion
> statement after the movie "Revenge of the Nerds" and subsequent
> clones. The term "geek" came from the circus and describes
You thought that movie created a fashion statement?
Well, maybe you _are_ a nerd, then. (A smiley has to be inserted here,
even though I dislike them.)
> those with sufficient physical abnormalities that the unwashed
> masses are willing to pay money to view. "Revenge of the Geeks"
Specifically, the "geeks" used to bite the heads off chickens. Usually
uncoordinated, gawky (related to geeky?), and sad creatures, it is a
horrible development that aspiring programmers seek to become geeks and
dweebs.
(However, it may serve to help out the "nerd" goal of keeping "girls" out
of programming, as I can't imagine many teenaged girls electing to become
"geeks" and "nerds.")
> Whatever the source, I personally do not feel insulted
> when called a nerd or computer geek. It's an image that
> I've carefully cultivated for business purposes. No self
> respecting clueless MIS type would ever hire a computer
> consultant that looks and acts normal. They expect wierd
> looks and attitudes. I don't want to disappoint them.
> It doesn't bother me. When I look in the mirror, I see
> an asocial, malodorous, pasty-faced monomaniac with all the
> personality of a cheese grater. Oh-oh.
You seemed fine to me, Jeff.
At the risk of being too psychological, maybe your self-characterization
as being a nerd or geek has the intended effect?
(I can imagine that most blacks who routinely refer to themselves and
their friends as niggers have similar issues....)
--Tim May, not a geek, not a nerd, not a dweeb, not a retard
melp...@cruzio.com
l...@netcom.com (Larry Colen) wrote (in part):
>I'd like to propose a Santa-Cruz pan-geek get together.
>Either a late night fudrun, a beach party or just a
>picnic at San Lorenzo park. Anybody interested?
Sure.
I had a delightful time, and thoroughly enjoyed myself. Thanks to
everyone who came. It was great fun meeting you all.
(I'm more interested in a daytime event than a late night event, since
I'm usually sawing logs by 10pm).
--Mel
melp...@cruzio.com
Steve Premo
On Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:03:34 GMT, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean)
wrote:
>Really? Let's see how honest you folks -- Glen and Mel
>and the others -- have been. Remember, they claimed
>they'd keep Kim away.
When did Glen or Mel promise to keep Kim away? I do recall someone
mentioning that in a prior post, but I took it as a joke. I doubt if
either Glen or Mel even *knew* Kim before Saturday. (Aha, so she
*was* there!)
>- Kim Bach is alleged to have been there.
>- Max Perez was there.
>- Julian Macassey was there.
>- Vinnie Jordan is alleged to have been there.
Yep. They were all there, and all very pleasant people. Also
attending were me, Mel, Tim May, Geoff Wells, Glen and Kathy, Geoff
Miller (I think), Leona Levine, Jim Jones, Don Steiny, Todd Jonz, Jeff
Leibermann, Larry Colen, and a bunch of other people whose names
escape me at the moment. (Please don't get offended if I left you
out!)
And Julian was there when you got that phone message from him, so I
suspect that he did call from there, although I didn't see him place
the call.
><sarcasm>
>It certainly sounds like people went out of their
>way to provide a safe atmosphere.
></sarcasm>
It was like I said. We all had a good time, nobody hurt anybody (or
even raised their voice), it was fun, and I seriously doubt anyone
would have hurt you if you had attended.
>This
>was the same sort of crap we saw for the BC peeve-
>fests: yet another fucking setup. It was certainly
>nice of people to lie about keeping things "safe."
It wasn't a set-up Dean. It wasn't about you at all, except to the
extent that you're a regular poster to scruz.general, and therefore a
member of the "group."
Steve Premo
Santa Cruz, CA
http://www2.cruzio.com/~premo/steve.html
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5nhv5j$o...@redtail.cruzio.com>, melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) writes:
>
> (I'm more interested in a daytime event than a late night event, since
> I'm usually sawing logs by 10pm).
Geeze, Mel -- get some rest! You stay up all night cutting firewood
and you won't have the energy to go to the next gathering.
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5ni00b$p...@redtail.cruzio.com>, ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
>
> I heard Tim brought the missing grenade launcher.
You had a grenade launcher turn up missing? Chris! <tsk, tsk>
> Next time I'll come so I don't have to rely so much on second
> hand info.
Yeah -- if you had been there, you woulda been too hungover to have
fixed the news server/disk/thingie as quickly as you did. Thanks
for the fast response on that, BTW.
We will be expecting to see you at the next gathering. Remember:
We know where you work
If ya don't show, we *might* just send Julian after ya. And ya *know*
what he does with pretty little geek-boys.
Hey, Julian -- is the last one still having problems with flashbacks?
Oh, wait -- maybe that was Tim May. Parts of Saturday are kinda blurry.
J.R. Dean
In article <tcmay-09069...@tcmay.got.net>, tc...@got.net (Tim May) wrote:
>In article <5ngf7r$n...@news.scruz.net>, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean)
>wrote:
>
>> Reposted so those killing or ignoring certain threads
>> won't miss this...
>>
>> But before that -- if anyone is entertaining "trying
>> some of the things discussed" -- don't even think it.
>> I'm not fucking around with idiots anymore. If you
>> want to spend time in jail or in court -- that's
>> your prerogative. But you *have* been warned.
>
>
>Hey, if someone showed me your TRW credit report, and I had a good laugh,
>that's none of your business. You, after all, had the option of coming to
>the Seabright affair and could've tried to figure out who got access to
>it, and how.
Really? Let's see how honest you folks -- Glen and Mel
and the others -- have been. Remember, they claimed
they'd keep Kim away.
- Kim Bach is alleged to have been there.
- Max Perez was there.
- Julian Macassey was there.
- Vinnie Jordan is alleged to have been there.
So right here we have four people who've threatened
me, one of whom stalked and attacked me back in 1993
(Max Perez, San Jose PD case# 93-150-9517).
<sarcasm>
It certainly sounds like people went out of their
way to provide a safe atmosphere.
</sarcasm>
Right up until last Saturday morning several people
were still begging me to attend, so please don't
tell me that no one expected me to attend. This
was the same sort of crap we saw for the BC peeve-
fests: yet another fucking setup. It was certainly
nice of people to lie about keeping things "safe."
It seems that the only way to keep certain people
honest, so that I *might* be able to attend a
scruz get-together, is to file a slew of restraining
orders. It wouldn't keep certain people away from
me, but at least I could have them arrested to prevent
them from carrying out their threats.
>
>As for threats of jail or court time (presumably in the other order?), I'm
>not worried.
>
>
There are federal and state laws against improper release
and improper use of consumer credit reports. Period.
See www.epic.org for details.
So have you stepped up into this "TRW" garbage to take
credit for it? I thought that credit belonged to
Mark Jasper (ma...@got.net). You glory hog, you.
BTW -- the CRA that went by the name of "TRW" is no
longer known by that name. You should've known that,
if you'd done your homework.
In any case, I don't believe any of you idiots obtained
my credit report. It's easy enough to find out if anyone
has asked for my report who wasn't authorized to receive
it, though.
If no one has improperly obtained my credit report or
other information, no worry....
-- Dean
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gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <tcmay-09069...@tcmay.got.net>, tc...@got.net (Tim May) writes:
>
> --Tim May (whom nobody believed was Dean Stark)
Well, when you cam in, packing an M-16, with a box of shells under each
arm, it was a dead give-away.
Larry Colen
: I'm convinced the use of the terms "geek" and "nerd" as self-descriptions
: is a sign of age differences. At the age of 45, as I am, I remember when
: both terms were grave insults (I still think they are, by the way). I
: cannot understand why the younger engineers and programmers--perfectly
: fine names, those--are now referring to themselves as "geeks" and "nerds."
For some reason the social group that developed around
ucscb (a vax) was referred to as the b-geeks. Locally, in htese
circles, geek lost it's negative connotations and was used either
as a verb (to log in) or to refer to someone in this social circle.
The social scen became so lively that most of the people in it weren't
even nerds (technically orientd people).
Larry Colen
Steve Premo (pr...@mail.cruzio.com) wrote:
: Yep. They were all there, and all very pleasant people. Also
: attending were me, Mel, Tim May, Geoff Wells, Glen and Kathy, Geoff
: Miller (I think), Leona Levine, Jim Jones, Don Steiny, Todd Jonz, Jeff
That's Lenore levine and leona Bobbit. Get it straight already.
And Lenore, you've really got to stop brandishing those
pinking shears if you want this confusion to stop.
: It was like I said. We all had a good time, nobody hurt anybody (or
: even raised their voice), it was fun, and I seriously doubt anyone
: would have hurt you if you had attended.
Actually the Waitron accused me of raising my voice.
It was rather loud and I was gripoing that nobody wanted
to take my order. A minute later the waitron showed up,
I started telling her what I wanted and she told me
that I don't have to raise my voice.
: It wasn't a set-up Dean. It wasn't about you at all, except to the
: extent that you're a regular poster to scruz.general, and therefore a
: member of the "group."
You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you...
J.R. Dean
In article <5nhud4$o...@redtail.cruzio.com>, melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) wrote:
>j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) wrote (in part):
>
>>Really? Let's see how honest you folks -- Glen and Mel
>>and the others -- have been. Remember, they claimed
>>they'd keep Kim away.
>
>keep anyone away. Retract your statement or find the post where I
>said that.
Go find it yourself. Look at posts by Glen Appleby,
JC Dill, Gary Johnson, etc. Glen and JC in particular.
Originally, talk centered around a planned get-together
with Sercan, which I did then and still do refuse. If
I have to meet Sercan it will be in court or with a
court-appointed arbitrator.
Later, Dill and Appleby mutated their suggestions and
tagged 'em onto the evolving scruz get-togehter. Finally,
you formally announced a get-together. It appears, from
the e-mail they kept sending to me, that they wanted me
to attend your fest under the same conditions they'd
proposed to me.
Now you act as if, despite your statement "I don't want
to meet you," and "I don't want you to come," I was still
welcome.
So which is it: Was it your shindig, and "Mom" said no,
or was it a continuation of the Appleby/Dill suggestions
for meeting as they seemed to assume?
You can't have it both ways. One way I was clearly not
welcome. The other I was allegedly to be offered a
"safe" environement if I attended. Obviously, this
latter condition was not met. As I said, right up
until Saturday morning there were still people begging
me to attend.
>
>I did say I wasn't interested in meeting you.
>
>You seem to be confused about something. Let me clear it up, just in
>case anyone else reading this is also confused.
>
>The Seabright scruz gathering last Saturday had nothing to do with
>you. This gathering should not be confused with the alt.peeves dinner
>invitation extended to you. This gathering last weekend was simply a
>chance to meet scruz.general people. You could have come, several
>people invited you (I was not one of them), but you didn't. It wasn't
>about you, for god's sake.
Mmmm-hmmm. So why is it that, by many accounts, you and
a few others couldn't seem to *not* talk about me and
devise new ways to harass me? Whoops! Your compatriots
have big mouths. Perhaps you simply missed the posts.
(Cruzio's news server *was* down for a bit.)
Hell, look at the subject of this current thread.
>
>Everything that happens in scruz.general is not about you, you know.
>
Lately it is. I'd like to see that change. With you
and a few others making sure it doesn't, though...
I'm still not replying to bait left by Sercan and Page.
Sercan may be out of town at the moment, but Page is
certainly active with the Dean-bashing/baiting posts.
-- D.
P.S. Frankly, I'm not keen on meeting you, either, just
as I've said recently. I could prove the harassment by
Bach and friends and show you police, sheriff, and court
papers all day... and in the end, I don't think it would
make one damn bit of difference to you.
Just like Sercan.
J.R. Dean
>Anyway, I liked the suggestion that if you wouldn't come to the scruzfest,
>the scruzfest should travel to your place....
>
>
And I've have met you guys at the door in much the same
manner you would if people showed up unannounced and
uninvited at your own home.
In any case, you'd have to find me first.
-- D.
J.R. Dean
>It wasn't a set-up Dean. It wasn't about you at all, except to the
>extent that you're a regular poster to scruz.general, and therefore a
>member of the "group."
>
Yes, it was. I'm not accusing you of a setup -- frankly
I don't know who is responsible for it, or who lied to
me, or who was incredibly mistaken gullible -- and it doesn't
matter. The fact that I've said again and again that I wish
no contact with people who've threatened me, stalked me, filed
perjured court documents against me, etc., should have been clear
enough for anyone. But just as I've said, these people would
*not* be kept away. "Oh, no, Dean -- they won't hurt you," or
"Oh, no, Dean -- we'll make *sure* Kim et al do not attend."
Notice that Bach, though she attended, made no public statements
to assure me she *wouldn't* pull the stunts I've previously detailed
that she loves so much; she never publicly said she'd attend (though
I was pretty sure she'd be there). She hoped to "surprise" me.
Naturally.
And consider that old restraining order, wherein that Bach claimed I
was dangerous, as she has said a few times since then the past few
years. If that's true, why the devil would she want to lure me into
public, bait me, etc.? Does she miss me? Or does she just hate me
so much that she'd do anything to screw me over? (And people wonder
why I was so quick to spot these traits in Sercan. Sheesh.)
Sure, I wasn't there -- but you can bet things would have been
much different had I been there. Kim pulling stunts, badgering
Colen and Perez to hassle me, Macassey baiting me, verbally loud
and abusive (with alleged "inside information"), trying his best
to get a rise out me, preferably that I take a swing at him. Given
those conditions, or just the very presence of these twits who've
been stalking and harassing me... I can say with absolute certainty
that I would have said, "No thanks," and left within a couple of
minutes. (At which point I'd probably have been accosted on my way
to the parking lot.)
Now today we hear of this alleged TRW crap. Does anyone seriously
believe I would have responded favorably to such discussion, etc.,
whether fictitious or not?
Kim once again began this "Let's lure Dean into public" crap
since the restraining order lapsed last year. Does that offer
you a major clue, perhaps? (She pulled the same crap *before*
the restraining order, too, despite my request that she "Get
the hell out of my life.") During the order, she simply harassed
me by phone, e-mail, or by proxy via boyfriends who posted garbage
to Usenet or tried to follow me home.
Why would she do this? I told her to get lost. I refused to
"be there" for her. That is my prerogative, and if she does
not like it, TFB. I tend not to "be there" for people who
threaten to kill me and who *try* to kill me. As to what she
hopes to gain, it's my guess she hopes I'll attack Julian or
someone when they bait me, then she'll point at me and say, "See?
He's dangerous!" This appears to have been her plan when she
goaded Max Perez into stalking me. I apparently surprised
Perez when I confronted him and warned him to back off and
leave me alone. He didn't know of any other way to respond
other than to attack.
Well... I didn't attack Max when he stalked me. Ask yourself
why he never filed a report against me, if, as he told Kim at
the time (who did not see the incident), "He attacked me!"
*I* sure as hell filed a report, though.
Yet y'all say, "C'mon, down, Dean -- these people are safe, sane,
and trustworthy!"
Do you people actually doubt, at the very least, that Jordan and
Macassey have threatened me? They were very public about it, and
Macassey even allowed himself to be taped -- all disclosed by me,
as proof.
Are you beginning to see why I'm so cautious? Do you grasp,
even remotely, why, when I've been tricked into meeting Bach
and Perez in the past, and shit ensued, that I'd now make the
proviso that I will *not* agree to attend a small gathering where
most of the people do not know me and could *not* be depended upon
to testify accurately if anything *did* happen?
What has been demonstrated to me the past few days is that
as a group, the scruzers have turned out to be no more reliable
than the peevers.
I find this sad, but I also know the other face of this
posture: it's just human nature. People do not want to
believe violence can happen around them or to them, and
people do not want to get involved. They do not, however,
want to appear unconcerned about such matters, and will give
lip service to honesty, justice, and safety.
I'm disappointed, but I'm not surprised.
-- Dean
"*The best defense is avoidance.* This is the first principle.
Avoiding lethal encounters is a result of training, mental control,
body language, verbal communication skills and common sense. Stay
away from people and places where conflicts are liable to occur."
-- Lecture from a self-defense class
melp...@cruzio.com
j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) wrote (in part):
>Go find it yourself. Look at posts by Glen Appleby,
>JC Dill, Gary Johnson, etc. Glen and JC in particular.
Fine, then just retract the part about me, because I never said
anything of the sort.
Dill didn't even come. Not only that, but I haven't corresponded with
Dill about this at all.
>Now you act as if, despite your statement "I don't want
>to meet you," and "I don't want you to come," I was still
>welcome.
Welcome to come to an open party at a public place? Sure. I merely
stated my feelings that I didn't care to meet you. I'm not in the
habit of jumping people (well, not lately) just because I don't like
them.
>So which is it: Was it your shindig, and "Mom" said no,
>or was it a continuation of the Appleby/Dill suggestions
>for meeting as they seemed to assume?
Well, it worked like this: the last scruz.general gathering was in
December, and it was time for another one. I decided a date, time and
place, and announced it. So, in a sense, I guess it was mine in that
I was the deciding force on when and where it would occur. It wasn't
like I bought all the drinks or anything.
>You can't have it both ways. One way I was clearly not
>welcome. The other I was allegedly to be offered a
>"safe" environement if I attended. Obviously, this
>latter condition was not met. As I said, right up
>until Saturday morning there were still people begging
>me to attend.
Dean, I don't control other people. You weren't going to come anyway,
so why try to blame me for it? What difference does it make? If I'd
asked you to come, would you have? So get over it.
>Mmmm-hmmm. So why is it that, by many accounts, you and
>a few others couldn't seem to *not* talk about me and
>devise new ways to harass me? Whoops! Your compatriots
>have big mouths. Perhaps you simply missed the posts.
>(Cruzio's news server *was* down for a bit.)
>Hell, look at the subject of this current thread.
Aw, Dean, you lap it up with a fork and spoon. You love it.
--Mel
melp...@cruzio.com
J.R. Dean
In article <5ni95h$7...@news.scruz.net>, steiny@infopoint (Don Steiny) wrote:
>ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
>
>>I heard Tim brought the missing grenade launcher.
>>hand info.
>
>
Bullshit. Joking aside, NO ONE would have protected
me, including Tim. I'd have ended up (likely) hurting
someone in self-defense, and the rest of you would have
claimed you didn't see what happened.
Been there, seen it all before.
With Tim's taunts about "TRW" reports, you really think
he's a supporter?
Incidentally... my offer of a free dinner, still apparently
being ignored, remains open. Provide proof, get free eats.
You might even get to meet me. Really.
See the web page.
-- Dean
* Play Name That Goon *
<http://www.enclave.org/jrd/goons/name_that_goon/>
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Steve Daniels (Official JBT of a.p)
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:24:57 GMT, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R.
Dean) wrote:
>And I've have met you guys at the door in much the same
>manner you would if people showed up unannounced and
>uninvited at your own home.
Naked?
--
"The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain,
involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The
hypothalamus controls the `Four Fs': 1. fighting; 2. fleeing;
3.feeding; and 4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course
Don Fong
In article <tcmay-09069...@tcmay.got.net>,
Tim May <tc...@got.net> wrote:
>In article <5ni65o$1...@comix.comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>,
>je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann) wrote:
>> looks and attitudes. I don't want to disappoint them.
>> It doesn't bother me. When I look in the mirror, I see
>> an asocial, malodorous, pasty-faced monomaniac with all the
>> personality of a cheese grater. Oh-oh.
>
>You seemed fine to me, Jeff.
>
>At the risk of being too psychological, maybe your self-characterization
>as being a nerd or geek has the intended effect?
my guess is it's an act, designed to deflect resentment against
people who are "too" smart, "too" successful, etc. makes them seem
less threatening. self-effacing humor as a cheap substitute for
humility. it's part of the camouflage. there may be a good reason
for it, too. but i wouldn't take it at face value.
Jeff Liebermann
Tim May wrote:
(...)
> programmers introduce themselves as "geeks" in my presence, I try to point
> out to the error of their geeky, dweeby ways. Some of them have even taken
> to saying "I'm a programmer" instead of the skulky "Oh, I'm just sort of a
> nerd."
Well, I really didn't realize that being called a geek or
nerd was an insult. I simply took it to be an appropriate
description. I can also see the value of professionalism
through the proper abuse of titles and descriptions. However,
I have a unique problem in that my job function defies
a simplified description. I'm not a programist, software
architect, web designer or technician. When someone asks
what I do for a living, I usually ask "this week"? Lacking
a simple description, I've been using "computer nerd" or
"techno-geek". I guess I have to stop doing that now.
> Well, maybe you _are_ a nerd, then. (A smiley has to be inserted here,
> even though I dislike them.)
Sorry. I don't feel insulted. I guess it's habit.
One problem with being a nerd is that I'm culturally
deprived. The last movie I sat through was the Empire
Screws-up or something like that. I've recently attempted
to catch up by purchasing and forcing myself to watch
television. However, the selection at 1am is rather
lacking. At least I'm well versed on infomercials, talk
shows, diet plans and get rich quick schemes. The rest
of culture thing will surely follow.
> Specifically, the "geeks" used to bite the heads off chickens. Usually
> uncoordinated, gawky (related to geeky?), and sad creatures, it is a
> horrible development that aspiring programmers seek to become geeks and
> dweebs.
Yech. I didn't know that. I once worked on a chicken
ranch when I was about 13 years old. I treated the chickens
like (dumb) pets. I would never consider biting off the
heads. There were better ways. Why any aspiring programmer
would want to become involved in chicken farming is a real
mystery.
> (However, it may serve to help out the "nerd" goal of keeping "girls" out
> of programming, as I can't imagine many teenaged girls electing to become
> "geeks" and "nerds.")
Ahah. That explains why I haven't been able to hold together
a decent relationship. I really go for "nerdy" women. The
smarter the better. Never mind the looks. Now, you're telling
me that there's a world wide conspiracy to keep women out of
the programming business by forcing them to bite off the heads
of chickens. This will have to stop. I'll see to it personally.
> At the risk of being too psychological, maybe your self-characterization
> as being a nerd or geek has the intended effect?
Certainly. I have no trouble meeting my own expectations,
especially if I establish them myself. I try to be sensitive
to what people expect from me. What happens is that people
stop growing at an age that they're comfortable with. I
stopped at about 20 when I was a reformed juvenile delinquent.
People expected me to do sneaky and evil things. When I became
involved in computers, the expectations and image were still
there. I became a hacker (tourist class). In various military
and job related adventures, the image and expectations were
unchanged. At no time was there any discomfort or identity
crisis. I knew exactly what was expected of me. Today, my
customers expect me to be a nerd and I oblige. I just realized
that none of them have ever called me a nerd. I'm the one
that uses the term. Oops.
--
Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St. #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
(408)699-0483 pager (408)426-1240 fax (408)336-2558 home
http://www.cruzio.com/~jeffl WB6SSY
je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us je...@cruzio.com
J.R. Dean
In article <5niu7k$gmq$1...@news.znet.com>, ra...@springfield.com wrote:
>In article <5nhr7n$r...@news.scruz.net>, j...@spam.blows_see.sig say
>>If no one has improperly obtained my credit report or
>>other information, no worry....
>>
>
>about 10 years.
>
>
Eh, excuse me, limpdicked little boy?
Don't forget the name, folks -- he's Mark Jasper,
ma...@got.net.
-- D.
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Larry Colen
Jeff Liebermann (je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us) wrote:
: It doesn't bother me. When I look in the mirror, I see
: an asocial, malodorous, pasty-faced monomaniac with all the
: personality of a cheese grater. Oh-oh.
I wouldn't say that you have all the personality of a cheese grater.
Most, perhaps. On your better days.
melp...@cruzio.com
j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) wrote (in part):
>You also said, "I don't want you to come." If I'm
>unwelcome by the event organizer, among all the other
>reasons I've stated, it would be highly unlikely that
>I would attend. That would be downright rude. If
>you disagree, fine. That's my own code of conduct,
>but it's not an uncommon one among thinking, caring,
>thoughtful people.
Are you saying, Dean, that, had I not said that I didn't want you to
come, then you would have come?
(A simple yes or no will suffice).
--Mel
melp...@cruzio.com
Julian Macassey
In article <5ni65o$1...@comix.comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann) writes:
mucho snippo
>A dweeb was a nerd that actually was trying to surf
>but not doing very well.
And all these years I thought a DWEEB was a Dim-Witted Eastern
Educated Bozo.
I am disappointed.
--
Julian Macassey, N6ARE jul...@bongo.tele.com Voice: 415.647.2217
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <339D02...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>, Jeff Liebermann <je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> writes:
>
> Camouflage? What am I suppose to be hiding? Is my
> blue and red Superman spandex suit and cape showing?
Well, I have to admit that, Saturday, I was a bit concerned, because I
*thought* that I could almost make out an "S" showing through your
shirt.
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5ni95h$7...@news.scruz.net>, steiny@infopoint (Don Steiny) writes:
> ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
>
> >I heard Tim brought the missing grenade launcher.
> >Next time I'll come so I don't have to rely so much on second
> >hand info.
>
> He did it to protect Dean if anyone started attacking him.
Gosh -- just *imagine* the colateral dammage.
Stephen Jackson
Hacker is my badge of choice. I don't care that the
medjia have drooled negativity all over it. I can hack
it therefor I am a hacker.
regards,
Stephen Jackson
J.R. Dean
In article <5nif4s$5...@redtail.cruzio.com>, melp...@cruzio.com (melp...@cruzio.com) wrote:
>j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) wrote (in part):
>
>>JC Dill, Gary Johnson, etc. Glen and JC in particular.
>
>Fine, then just retract the part about me, because I never said
>anything of the sort.
>
said? Perhaps I unintentially inferred something, or
you misunderstood what I was saying. Please show us
the message.
>Dill didn't even come. Not only that, but I haven't corresponded with
>Dill about this at all.
I did; I also corresponded with Appleby. I finally
began rejecting their ad nauseam mail after I asked them to
stop *asking*. They obviously didn't believe my concerns
were valid. Appleby couldn't seem to be serious about the
subject, preferring to believe it was a joke.
Yes, I thought it was a real big joke when the window
on my vehicle was smashed out. If I had not gone in
to work so quickly that night it would have been my
head that was smashed.
>
>>Now you act as if, despite your statement "I don't want
>>to meet you," and "I don't want you to come," I was still
>>welcome.
>
>Welcome to come to an open party at a public place? Sure. I merely
>stated my feelings that I didn't care to meet you. I'm not in the
>habit of jumping people (well, not lately) just because I don't like
>them.
You also said, "I don't want you to come." If I'm
unwelcome by the event organizer, among all the other
reasons I've stated, it would be highly unlikely that
I would attend. That would be downright rude. If
you disagree, fine. That's my own code of conduct,
but it's not an uncommon one among thinking, caring,
thoughtful people.
Do I have to look that up, *again*, and repost
it? I've re-posted your statement a couple of
times so people would get the message from
someone other than me and stop asking...
>>Hell, look at the subject of this current thread.
>
>Aw, Dean, you lap it up with a fork and spoon. You love it.
>
No. That's untrue.
If this crap disappeared tomorrow I'd be all happy, happy,
joy, joy. I would not miss it at all.
I might even throw a party and invite scruzers -- though
NOT the idiots who've threatened me. If they showed, hey,
it would be my party and I could have them thrown out.
There you go -- incentive for stopping it. I suspect,
however, that you'll jump on my serious, on-topic posts,
just as you've been doing, to draw the attention of your
beloved Macassey et al.
-- Dean
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5ni65o$1...@comix.comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>, je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann) writes:
> No clue where hodad came from.
I believe it is a term that came from Hawaii.
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5nhr7n$r...@news.scruz.net>, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
>
> Really? Let's see how honest you folks -- Glen and Mel
> and the others -- have been. Remember, they claimed
> they'd keep Kim away.
>
> - Max Perez was there.
> - Julian Macassey was there.
> - Vinnie Jordan is alleged to have been there.
>
> So right here we have four people who've threatened
> me, one of whom stalked and attacked me back in 1993
> (Max Perez, San Jose PD case# 93-150-9517).
>
> <sarcasm>
> It certainly sounds like people went out of their
> way to provide a safe atmosphere.
> </sarcasm>
You explicitly stated that you would not be there. I took you at
your word. Was I supposed to assume that you were *lying*?
Had you shown up and had any sort of problem occured, I would have
done whatever I could to stop it. Baring that, I would have gone
outside with you (to get you away from the trouble) and spent my
time talking with you out there.
I know that none of that includes hiring a team of mercanieries to
protect you. I'm not in a position to do that.
I assume that you made a choice that you considered to be the best,
under the circumstances.
Notorious P.I.G.
In article <5nj2eo$2...@news.scruz.net> j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
>Don't forget the name, folks -- he's Mark Jasper,
>ma...@got.net.
So what? He's only hassling you, Dean.
And, that's a good thing.
VJ
Steve Premo
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:32:10 -0700, Stephen Jackson
<sjac...@teetime-online.com> wrote:
>To get to the point, I didn't meet a single loon at the cruzefest.
>Hell, even Appleby is mostly harmless. I know I'd trust him
>with a weapon, even chain-fed or towed.
Agreed. I was prepared, though, in case anyone got seriously injured
and needed to go to the hospital. I was going to say, "Sit down,
Glen!"
Steve Premo
Santa Cruz, CA
http://www2.cruzio.com/~premo/steve.html
J.R. Dean
In article <339eccd7...@news.cdsnet.net>, dan...@cdsnet.net wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:24:57 GMT, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R.
>Dean) wrote:
>
>>And I've have met you guys at the door in much the same
>>manner you would if people showed up unannounced and
>>uninvited at your own home.
>
>Naked?
Only upon request, Steve.
-- D.
"The naked cowboy wore only a sixgun..."
Don Steiny
j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
>In article <5ni95h$7...@news.scruz.net>, steiny@infopoint (Don Steiny) wrote:
>>ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
>>
>>>I heard Tim brought the missing grenade launcher.
>>>Next time I'll come so I don't have to rely so much on second
>>>hand info.
>>
>> He did it to protect Dean if anyone started attacking him.
>>
>Bullshit. Joking aside, NO ONE would have protected
>me, including Tim. I'd have ended up (likely) hurting
>someone in self-defense, and the rest of you would have
>claimed you didn't see what happened.
If I saw anyone being attacked or getting into a fight I would be
gravely concerned. I have no idea of anything about you except that
you post a lot of stuff to scruz.general which I rarely read. Most
people are fairly lazy and it goes against my personal experience that
so many people would find the energy to create the problems for you that
claim they have, police reposts nonewithstanding. I suspect that you
need to look at yourself to find the source of your problems. In any
event, I have not idea why you torment yourself by reading a.p or
scruz.general.
-don
--
Don Steiny - ste...@infopoint.com - http://www.infopoint.com/
InfoPoint, Inc. - voice 1+(408) 471-1671 - fax: 1+(408) 471-1670
ch...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5nidpc$7...@news.scruz.net>, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
> In article <339c7973...@news.cruzio.com>, pr...@cruzio.com wrote:
>
> >It wasn't a set-up Dean. It wasn't about you at all, except to the
> >extent that you're a regular poster to scruz.general, and therefore a
> >member of the "group."
> >
>
> Yes, it was. I'm not accusing you of a setup -- frankly
> I don't know who is responsible for it, or who lied to
> me, or who was incredibly mistaken gullible -- and it doesn't
> matter. The fact that I've said again and again that I wish
Ya see, ya got you basic Peever, then you have your Pinko,
then you have your Dupes and Fellow Travelers.
It's boring like a cancer from _within_!
And then, one morning, you wake up, refreshed. You get out of
bed, throw the now empty and dried up person sized pod away,
log in, and start _flaming innocent people_!
All will be assimilated.
Cruzio is a mom and pop Internet Service Provider. I'm pop.
Web: http://www.cruzio.com Email: in...@cruzio.com Voice: 423-1162
Don Fong
In article <339D02...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>,
Jeff Liebermann <je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
>My next paragraph was going to be an insulting indictment
>of what I think of you and your agenda.
as for "my agenda", my agenda is to have interesting discussions
here --- i don't think insults or indictments are necessary. as for
"me", i don't think you have enough evidence for an indictment.
i think Tim May raised an interesting point.
>It would be all
>too easy to stoop to level of the childish name calling
>and accusations that seem to be epidemic in this newsgroup.
>I won't do it much as I'm tempted.
did you interpret my remarks as an insult? did i say anything
that isn't true? what specifically was that? Tim May posted that you
seemed fine; you don't match your purported self image. there are a lot
of possible reasons why someone might try to project a false image as
you apparently did. most of them (reasons) are far less flattering
than what i suggested.
JEFFL>When I look in the mirror, I see
JEFFL>an asocial, malodorous, pasty-faced monomaniac with all the
JEFFL>personality of a cheese grater. Oh-oh.
TCMAY>You seemed fine to me, Jeff.
TCMAY>At the risk of being too psychological, maybe your self-characterization
TCMAY>as being a nerd or geek has the intended effect?
so was Tim May wrong? do you really truly have the personality of
a monomaniacal chesse grater (etc)?
just to make something absolutely clear: i think a lot of people
exhibit this behavior, not just Jeff. Glen Appleby for example.
Tim May raised an interesting question. i am not so much interested
in blowing your (Jeff's) cover, as in a discussion of why people do this.
if you don't like what i said, why don't you just write it
off as HUMOR, as you expect people do do when YOU ridicule them
or post condescending remarks about them. i don't think my
remarks were insulting or condescending. i apologize if you took
them personally. perhaps i should have started a new thread
to talk about the question "in general".
J.R. Dean
In article <339d8395...@news.cruzio.com>, pr...@cruzio.com wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:32:10 -0700, Stephen Jackson
><sjac...@teetime-online.com> wrote:
>
>>To get to the point, I didn't meet a single loon at the cruzefest.
>>Hell, even Appleby is mostly harmless. I know I'd trust him
>>with a weapon, even chain-fed or towed.
>
>Agreed. I was prepared, though, in case anyone got seriously injured
>and needed to go to the hospital. I was going to say, "Sit down,
>Glen!"
>
for the verification.
-- D.
J.R. Dean
In article <339D65...@teetime-online.com>, sjac...@teetime-online.com wrote:
>
>Julian is affable and amusing and mostly harmless. Yes he did
>place a call from a pay phone at the Seabrite Inn. He claimed
>to be calling Dean but I have no way of verifying that, I didn't
>listen in. He could have been calling time for all I know.
>I also observed the woman who claimed to be Kim Bach try to
>prevent that call from happening.
>
Ah, so she followed him to the phone, right?
So that is who the woman was, standing next
to him, laughing.
Her attempt to stop the call was an act.
And you were taken in completely by it.
I've converted the recording. Since no
on believes he was anything but a gentleman
in that call I'm posting the binary here to
scruz.genaral. Judge for yourself. This
was a relatively short call, and not as
abusive and threatening as the numerous
other calls he's made since October 1996.
>
>As a matter of fact, I didn't meet anybody at the cruzefest that
>I wouldn't trust with a weapon, that being my minimal definition
>of a loon. I trust Mr. Miller with a car as well. The guy who
>claimed to be Vinnie Jordan looked mostly harmless and certainly
>not looking for a fight. I would trust him with a weapon.
Yes, let's all put weapons in the hands of people
who threaten to kill other people.
And of course, illegally acquiring and disseminating
someone's credit report, as Tim May is claiming, is
just good, clean fun.
>
>I didn't latch up on Max Perez, so I don't know who claimed to
>be him, but he would probably be just fine with a weapon as well.
The scumbag did assault me. What do I have to do --
provide copies of the police report to everyone who
wants proof?
j.r. pierce
gjoh...@dream.season.com (Reality is a point of view) wrote:
>There is a difference between nerd and geek, sort of like
>hacker/cracker without the legalities. Nerd freak, or freaky
>nerd, would be my personal choice.
Hey, the plates on my wife's white volvo sedan are A NURD
[used to have A NERD but that one was swiped and had to be replaced
after being reported stolen... here's a scan of that original plate
http://hogranch.com/files/Bitmaps/a-nerd.gif (95k bytes) if you don't
believe me]
-jrp
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Don Steiny
ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
>I heard Tim brought the missing grenade launcher.
>Next time I'll come so I don't have to rely so much on second
>hand info.
He did it to protect Dean if anyone started attacking him.
-don
ch...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5ni1ul$q...@redtail.cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> In article <5ni00b$p...@redtail.cruzio.com>, ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> >
> > I heard Tim brought the missing grenade launcher.
>
Glen, a true patriot always knows where their trusty M-79 is.
And I am nothing if not a true patriot. _My_ grenade launcher
is bracket mounted under the stock of my M-16, right where
it should be.
Better you should ask where is _yours_.
>
> > Next time I'll come so I don't have to rely so much on second
> > hand info.
>
> Yeah -- if you had been there, you woulda been too hungover to have
> fixed the news server/disk/thingie as quickly as you did. Thanks
> for the fast response on that, BTW.
>
Being hungover is never a problem.
You counteract the effects of the hangover with 75mics of LSD. Then
bite the head off a chicken.
Works every time.
_Especially_ with news servers.
Notorious P.I.G.
In article <5nk4mu$5...@news.scruz.net> j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
>The scumbag did assault me. What do I have to do --
>provide copies of the police report to everyone who
>wants proof?
Sure. I'd like to see the part where you describe him as being 3-4 inches
taller and 50 pounds heavier than he really is, so you could save face
from getting whipped on by a little guy with a bigger heart than you.
As if those people are hard to find.
VJ
J.R. Dean
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J.R. Dean
it didn't happen that way.
Max was wired and pathetic. I restrained him
until security arrived. We were pulled apart
just moments before they arrived. I was uninjured,
and so was Max, except, of course, for his damaged
pride.
-- Dean
Steve Premo
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:16:54 GMT, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean)
wrote:
>Before someone says it's inappropriate to post
>a binary here, please consider the following.
>
>It's inappropriate to make 20 or so harassing,
>threatening calls to someone over the course
>of several months.
Yes, well, two wrongs don't make a right.
Why not just post a transcript?
J.R. Dean
In article <339d9c98...@news.cruzio.com>, pr...@cruzio.com wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:16:54 GMT, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean)
>wrote:
>
>>Before someone says it's inappropriate to post
>>a binary here, please consider the following.
>>
>>It's inappropriate to make 20 or so harassing,
>>threatening calls to someone over the course
>>of several months.
>
>Yes, well, two wrongs don't make a right.
>
>Why not just post a transcript?
>
transcribe it, you've got the job.
Also, you *know* people would say I simply
made it up. They need to hear his voice
to believe it.
I've already sent the file. I'll cancel it
later to clear up the disk space.
Sorry for what some may consider a waste of
bandwidth, but dammit, Macassey has been
getting away with this crap for months. If
the general readership is going to continue
to derive so much entertainment from this
crap then they should be privvy to the *full*
story.
J.R. Dean
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Don Steiny
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
>In article <339d9c98...@news.cruzio.com>, pr...@mail.cruzio.com (Steve Premo) writes:
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:16:54 GMT, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Before someone says it's inappropriate to post
>> >a binary here, please consider the following.
>> >
>> >It's inappropriate to make 20 or so harassing,
>> >threatening calls to someone over the course
>> >of several months.
>>
>> Yes, well, two wrongs don't make a right.
>>
>> Why not just post a transcript?
>Why? Who would care, either way?
>The call was not our doing. We didn't make it. It doesn't apply to
>us. THere is nothing that we could have done to prevent it. (Julian
>is a big boy -- something past the age of consent)
>In short, to paraphrase, who cares?
Very well put Glen. This whole endless saga really brings to
mind the famous expression: who gives a shit? I would not listen
to the audio nor would I read the transcript. It is a waste of
bandwidth.
Reality is a point of view
+---- df...@cse.ucsc.edu wrote (10 Jun 1997 17:49:27 GMT):
| as for "my agenda", my agenda is to have interesting discussions
You misspelled metawhining.
And where were YOU last saturday afternoon? People were
wondering.
| in blowing your (Jeff's) cover, as in a discussion of why people do this.
+----
MBTI. Interesting stuff.
--
Gary Johnson gjoh...@season.com
Privacy on the net is still illegal.
Tim May
In article <339D02...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>,
je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us wrote:
> You're partially right about the artifical humility.
> I am jealous of those that are smarter and more successful
> than I am. However, there's a difference. I want to
> be smarter and more successful. I work at it in many
> ways. I swallow my disappointments and eat my failures
> while blundering onward. My idols are those that are
> smarter and more successful than I will ever be. If
> you look at it carefully, my exessive humility is actually
> arrogance.
One of the most inspiring scientists I ever had contact with was Richard
Feynman, back around 1973. (He came to a barbecue at our apartment, where
several of we physics and math majors were living...I guess the modern
name for our dwelling woud be a "geek house," not that we would ever have
insulted ourselves this way....)
Feynman was as bright as they come, and yet he didn't put on airs and was
very folksy, sitting cross-legged on the floor talking and recounting
stories. (Many of them later used in his two books of stories.)
He would never have called himself a geek, or a dweeb, or a nerd, or a
retard, or any of the other "self-insults" modern kids seem to like.
One can have pride in one's career without being arrogant. And one should
not respond to insults like "geek" or "nerd," and one should certainly not
self-insult with these labels.
--Tim May
--
There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws.
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tc...@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Don Steiny
j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
>In article <5nkcnb$5...@news.scruz.net>, steiny@infopoint (Don Steiny) wrote:
>> Very well put Glen. This whole endless saga really brings to
>>mind the famous expression: who gives a shit? I would not listen
>>to the audio nor would I read the transcript. It is a waste of
>>bandwidth.
>Quite a number of people seem to care enough
>that I claim Macassey is a crank-calling, violent
>lunatic to provide their own "proof" that I'm
>wrong: "Julian was polite," etc.
I think people are trying various means of defusing your wrath.
I believe that what people are saying is that you have lost crediblity on
that account. Most people, knowing that the vast majority of people do
not care about anything they are posting, would stop out of consideration,
to others.
You may be a wonderful and talented person, but I cannot concern
myself about everyone in the world's problems. I really don't care about
your problems. They are not even interesting. Do you know how many people
are really beat up? Do you know how many people are starving, have
substance abuse problems, are homeless, or whatever? Lots. I don't
really care about them either except in the most abstract sense. I don't
care about O.J. Simpson either, so don't feel special.
If a person has a problem and it is unusual or interesting, it will
rise above the noise, but your problems are not unusual or interesting. If
I were editor of scruz.general and deciding what would go into it on the
basis of what was interesting, nothing you write would ever appear. Boring
boring boring. I know it is important and interesting to you and I respect
that, but I know I speak for the larger community when I say this. We just
don't care about you.
The extent of the discussions I had about you were "who is this guy?
why does he think that anyone would be interested in anything he has posted?"
The responses were "he is paranoid."
Now, paranoia sometimes leads people to believe others think they
are far more important than others think, so from your behavior I assumed
that was at least somewhat true. It really didn't tell me much, but
we rapidly started talking about interesting things instead of you.
>Since all of this *came* from Usenet, specifically
>alt.peeves and now scruz.general, then it's
>proper that Macassey get slammed for his
>inappropriate behavior, threats, and so on,
>right here.
Why is that? I ignore idiots who have nothing better to say but
to attack me on random points. If the majority of people who participate
in scruz.general showed up the other day, we are talking about a very
small group, relatively. There are other ways to make your case.
>So I sent his crap back to the 'Net, back to
>Usenet and the Web, right back to the source of
>his sick "inspiration."
Don't you see that if you stopped doing this it would all go away?
People have very short memories. You cannot claim to the rest of us that
it is everyone else's fault but yours and continue these posting.
Read my lips: stop posting to USENET! Make yourself feel better,
stop reading it. Go away. Get a life.
>Macassey doesn't have the balls to do that, though.
>I think his s.g supporters would quickly become
>quite upset with his behavior and understand
>completely why I don't want his garbage e-mailed
>to me or left on my answering machine.
Your problems will disappear in a few months. No one cares about you,
if you stopped stoking the fires, they would go out and everyone would
completely forget about you in no time flat. You are not interesting, you
are just loud.
That is why you are doing it. You do not have the courage to face
the fact that you are boring and this whole thing is boring. If you stopped
posting to USENET in no time flat no one would remember who you are and you
are more afraid of that than you are of Julian or Kim.
PS, I talked to Kim all of 10 seconds and Julian maybe 30. Tim
May is a very interesting person are is Jeff, Steve, Mel, Glen, Gary and
everyone who came. I could talk to any of them for hours. Kim and Julian
may be interesting, but I was so engrossed with the others the time
just flew by. I wish I had had more time to talk to Glen and Kathy.
I am not part of a conspiracy against you. I would like to see this
group used for discussions of community issues and not your private
forum for airing your (boring) personal problems.
J.R. Dean
In article <concolorE...@netcom.com>, conc...@netcom.com (Poison Candy) wrote:
>
>OK, Draino, here's what really happened.
>
>1) Julian Macassey showed up in the uniform of the Dendarii
>Mercenaries. He brought his Cetagandan death ray pistol, and
>was prepared to kill you with it.
[snippo]
And of course all of this garbage, including
calling me a derogatory name, ad nauseam, is
appropriate for scruz.general.
As was, of course, Levine's earlier post:
>Newsgroups: scruz.general
>Path: news.scruz.net!news.ucsc.edu!ico.net!daver!newshub.sirius.com!news1.best.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!concolor
>From: conc...@netcom.com (Poison Candy)
>Subject: Hello, Draino!
>Message-ID: <concolorE...@netcom.com>
>Organization: Netcom On-Line Services
>X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #9
>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:54:23 GMT
>Lines: 20
>Sender: conc...@netcom.netcom.com
>Status: O
>
>Hi there, Draino sweetie! I made up a poem about you:
>
>There was a young man named Stark,
>Who had moldy bumps on his cark,
>When people asked why,
>He said, in reply,
>From fucking young boys in the park.
>
>Like it, honey?
>
>Poison Candy
>
>P.S. Everyone knows about your, uhm, unusual body parts
>now. Heh.
>
>--
>"Strike the bell, adventurous stranger,
>Strike the bell and bide the danger,
>Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
>What would have followed if you had." -- Robert Zimmermann
Reality is a point of view
+---- steiny@infopoint wrote (10 Jun 1997 22:18:45 GMT):
| rise above the noise, but your problems are not unusual or interesting. If
| I were editor of scruz.general and deciding what would go into it on the
| basis of what was interesting, nothing you write would ever appear.
Interesting statement from a proposed moderator. I can think
of at least a few things that were interesting, though it was a
long time ago in a newsgroup far far away.
| Why is that? I ignore idiots who have nothing better to say but
| to attack me on random points.
I'm an idiot. Attacking. On a random point. Uh oh.
| group used for discussions of community issues and not your private
| forum for airing your (boring) personal problems.
+----
Speaking of local issues, is the Real Change Not Spare Change
thing working downtown?
As for coins in a fountain being abandoned property I think
they are better considered articles of art (unless statues
count as abandonded, in which case I am going to go acquire
Kimono Sigh right now) or religious practice. Even if; the
homeless wishing well is clearly labeled, so leave that one be.
Stephen Jackson
I just know I'm going to regret this.
I was at the scruzefest and had a wonderful time. I met several
people that I was itching to meet and they didn't dissapoint.
There was not a soul there that represented a physical threat
to anyone, including the "psycho-bunny from hell" Kim Bach.
Julian is affable and amusing and mostly harmless. Yes he did
place a call from a pay phone at the Seabrite Inn. He claimed
to be calling Dean but I have no way of verifying that, I didn't
listen in. He could have been calling time for all I know.
I also observed the woman who claimed to be Kim Bach try to
prevent that call from happening.
I said "claimed to be" because I didn't check ID, but she was
consistent, and everybody else 'fessed up, so I dunno, really.
For what it's worth, if the guy who claimed to be Julian was
carrying heat it would not bother me in the slightest. In fact,
it would put a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart knowing that if
some loon showed up with evil on his brain that somebody would
have the correct tool to deal with the situation. Your milage
may vary.
As a matter of fact, I didn't meet anybody at the cruzefest that
I wouldn't trust with a weapon, that being my minimal definition
of a loon. I trust Mr. Miller with a car as well. The guy who
claimed to be Vinnie Jordan looked mostly harmless and certainly
not looking for a fight. I would trust him with a weapon.
I didn't latch up on Max Perez, so I don't know who claimed to
be him, but he would probably be just fine with a weapon as well.
To get to the point, I didn't meet a single loon at the cruzefest.
Hell, even Appleby is mostly harmless. I know I'd trust him
with a weapon, even chain-fed or towed.
For all of you still with me at this point get and read
_Unintended Consequences_ by John Ross. Imagine Ayn Rand
on Guns. It's still in hardback but it is worth the $33,
buy it, read it, remember.
regards,
Stephen Jackson
Josh Assing
Dean:
This has got to be the last straw for me. I read sg often; and usually ignore
anything to do with you -- Mostly because of what I've ready from you & others;
you're a few bricks short <DOT DOT DOT> and it's usually something that should
be dealt with privately.
But this is stupid. Take the harassment to the POLICE not the NEWSGROUP. Not
only is your posting a waste of bandwidth; and server disk space; it's stupid
and immature and waste of everyones time setting up filter to ignore your name.
I, for one, will consider the time it takes to filter out anything with your
name; standard subjects, etc a good investment of time -- Even if it means I may
filter out worthwhile readings.
You need help.
Don Steiny
j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
>In article <5nkjs5$6...@news.scruz.net>, steiny@infopoint (Don Steiny) wrote:
>Don -- leave the Net. You won't be bothered
>by the Dean-threads anymore. Give up Usenet,
>give up your web site, and so on. Give up
>your Net-related business.
Why? I don't have any problems. I just ignore you generally and
will go back to it. I only am in this because I was at the scruz.general
get together and was looking for stuff by my new friends.
>See the problem? I'm entrenched in the Net
>biz, too.
I have over 200 customers and as far as I know, not a single one
of them has ever read scruz.general.
>Bingo. There's the rub -- Kimmie and her friends
>*want* to drive me off the Net simply because it
>would be a fun thing to do.
But what have you lost? All of 50 people read scruz.general. What
difference does it make?
>Perhaps you, and a few others, feel I should
>take the peever's advice? They keep harping
>at me that they won't stop harassing me until
>I "off" myself.
I have never looked at alt.peeves. Too busy. The fact is, if
you went away for 6 months or so, they would probably get bored and
leave as well. As long as you let them bait you you just perpetuate
the problem.
Don Steiny
gjoh...@dream.season.com (Reality is a point of view) writes:
>I'm an idiot. Attacking. On a random point. Uh oh.
Consider yourself ignored. Uh oh.
>Speaking of local issues, is the Real Change Not Spare Change
>thing working downtown?
Sure, haven't you heard? All the panhandlers have gotten jobs
and joined the Republican party.
>As for coins in a fountain being abandoned property I think
>they are better considered articles of art (unless statues
>count as abandonded, in which case I am going to go acquire
>Kimono Sigh right now) or religious practice. Even if; the
>homeless wishing well is clearly labeled, so leave that one be.
Weren't you the one that said they belonged to the Wish Fairy?
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5nkcnb$5...@news.scruz.net>, steiny@infopoint (Don Steiny) writes:
>
> Very well put Glen. This whole endless saga really brings to
> mind the famous expression: who gives a shit? I would not listen
> to the audio nor would I read the transcript. It is a waste of
> bandwidth.
LOL!! Don -- we can*not* be agreeing. It looks bad to the kids.
Now, back to your neutral corner, young man.
--
Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss's job.
It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
_______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby gl...@mail.cruzio.com http://www2.cruzio.com/~glena/
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <tcmay-10069...@tcmay.got.net>, tc...@got.net (Tim May) writes:
> In article <5njrhe$3...@redtail.cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:
>
> > In article <5ni65o$1...@comix.comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>,
> je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann) writes:
> > > No clue where hodad came from.
> >
> > I believe it is a term that came from Hawaii.
>
> I think it's an Ebonics term:
Hawaiian Ebonics? Wait until the Oakland schools hear about *that*!
Jeff Liebermann
Don Fong (df...@cse.ucsc.edu) wrote:
: i think Tim May raised an interesting point.
So did I. That's why I addressed the point. All that you
seem able to do is address the originator.
: did you interpret my remarks as an insult?
Yes.
: did i say anything that isn't true?
(Quoting for reference)
>> my guess is it's an act, designed to deflect resentment against
>> people who are "too" smart, "too" successful, etc. makes them seem
>> less threatening. self-effacing humor as a cheap substitute for
>> humility. it's part of the camouflage. there may be a good reason
>> for it, too. but i wouldn't take it at face value.
Nothing above is true.
1. It's not an act. It's real. I even failed drama class.
2. I do not deflect resentment against successful or smart people.
I'm highly partial to hiring and surrounding myself with people
that are smarter than I am. It's all I can do to keep up. If
I were resentful or in any way obnoxious, those people would long
ago have abandoned me.
3. I do not threaten anyone. At worst, I offer a step by step
plan of precicely what I'm going to do to them if they fail to
appreciate the wisdom of my position. Then, I just do it.
Nobody, exept you, has ever felt threatened by me.
4. Self-effacing humor is one form of entertainment that you
seem unable to appreciate. Humility has no connection with my
humor. I can be more arrogant than you're worst nightmare when
I know that I'm right. I'm also polite to an exessive degree.
Humility is somewhere in between. I think I possess the ability
to recognize when to be arrogant, polite and humble. You don't.
5. Self-effacing humor is not a comouflage for anything. Judge
my humor on its own merits. If you fail to understand any of
my subtleties, I will gladly explain their construction in detail.
If you suspect that I have a hidden agenda, then I'll gladly
explain it to you. The direct approach is rarely the best way
to convince anyone of anything.
6. If there is a "good reason" for my "self-effacing humor"
acting as "camouflage", I would like to hear it. I have various
theories about why I suffer from humor and would like a 2nd opinion.
7. Oops. There is one item that's true. You should not take
anything I say at face value. I'll set the asking price and you
can make an offer. That will establish the true value.
: what specifically was that?
You addressed the person and not the topic. When you stay on
the topic, I'm impressed with your thinking and logic even when
we disagree. When dive off the deep end and take on the person,
you trash your own credibility. It's all I can do to judge the
the logic instead of its source.
: Tim May posted that you seemed fine;
I feel fine. However, now you have me worried.
Maybe I need a checkup or physical.
: you don't match your purported self image.
If you had shown up on Saturday, you would have been able to
judge that for yourself. We've never met and I fail to see
how you can even begin to comment on my self-image. News and
email are notoriously inaccurate at delivering subtleties.
: have been there are a lot of possible reasons why someone might
: try to project a false image as you apparently did.
Off the top of my head:
1. Entertainment value
2. Historical interest in the derivation of jargon.
3. Ego inflation (I need that sometimes).
4. Solicitations of sympathy (works fairly well for meeting women).
5. Educational insight with psychological implications.
If I've missed any reasons, please let me know.
: most of them (reasons) are far less flattering
: than what i suggested.
Now you have me curious. I've spent a lifetime reading Sherlock
Holmes and studying psychology attempting to understand what
specific motivations make people do things. Pray tell, for what
reasons am I projecting a false image?
: so was Tim May wrong? do you really truly have the personality of
: a monomaniacal chesse grater (etc)?
Well, a former ladyfriend would probably agree. I'm really quite
dull and boring. Lots of smarts and good stories but that gets
boring after a time. I do many things, but none of them particularly
well. I enjoy doing things that would be typical of a teenager.
I'm admittedly culturally deprived. I believe this is sufficiently
close to what Eric Raymond meant by a cheeze grater. So what?
: just to make something absolutely clear: i think a lot of people
: exhibit this behavior, not just Jeff. Glen Appleby for example.
Well, I do have a following. As soon as I have time, I'll get
my behaviour patented. Then I can sell licences and sue Glen
for infringing on my look and feel. Thanks for letting me know
that my personna has been borrowed.
: Tim May raised an interesting question. i am not so much interested
: in blowing your (Jeff's) cover, as in a discussion of why people do this.
That's fair. Start discussing.
: if you don't like what i said, why don't you just write it
: off as HUMOR, as you expect people do do when YOU ridicule them
: or post condescending remarks about them.
Because your statements weren't funny. Just for fun, could you
name one person (besides yourself) that I have allegedly ridiculed?
I probably have done this, I just can't remember the victim.
I've been a real monster in comp.unix.sco.misc lately because
I just hate answering questions where I'm expected to guess
what hardware and software the poster is using. I've been
both sarcastic and obnoxious. It's working. I'm seeing better
questions and more information. I posted a poorly thought out
suggestion in ba.mountain-folks that I had to appologize for twice.
If you can't remember, perhaps the victim of my ridicule will
identify themselves so that I can appologize properly.
: i don't think my remarks were insulting or condescending.
Insulting yes. Condescending no.
: i apologize if you took them personally.
Accepted. I'm sure you didn't mean anything that you said.
: perhaps i should have started a new thread
: to talk about the question "in general".
Dunno.
[ ] Email to author [ ] To mailing list [x] Posted to newsgroup
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# 408.336.2558 voice wb6ssy@ki6eh.#cca.ca.usa.noam wb6ssy.ampr.org 44.4.18.10
# 408.699.0483 digital_pager 73557,2074 cis [don't]
# je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us http://www.cruzio.com/~jeffl
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5nk23d$7...@redtail.cruzio.com>, ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> In article <5ni1ul$q...@redtail.cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> > In article <5ni00b$p...@redtail.cruzio.com>, ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> > >
> > > I heard Tim brought the missing grenade launcher.
> >
> > You had a grenade launcher turn up missing? Chris! <tsk, tsk>
>
> Glen, a true patriot always knows where their trusty M-79 is.
> And I am nothing if not a true patriot. _My_ grenade launcher
> is bracket mounted under the stock of my M-16, right where
> it should be.
>
> Better you should ask where is _yours_.
Oh, heck -- it's always right here ...... oops! OH SHIT! OK, WHO
STOLE MY LAUNCHER? I *TRUSTED* YOU GUYS!
> Being hungover is never a problem.
> You counteract the effects of the hangover with 75mics of LSD. Then
> bite the head off a chicken.
>
> Works every time.
>
> _Especially_ with news servers.
So, *that's* what happens with the money that I pay you for net access?
It all goes to LSD and live chickens?
All of this time, I was pretty sure that I was going for pizza and Jolt.
Steve Premo
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:58:28 GMT, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean)
wrote:
>In article <339d8395...@news.cruzio.com>, pr...@cruzio.com wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:32:10 -0700, Stephen Jackson
>><sjac...@teetime-online.com> wrote:
>>
>>>To get to the point, I didn't meet a single loon at the cruzefest.
>>>Hell, even Appleby is mostly harmless. I know I'd trust him
>>>with a weapon, even chain-fed or towed.
>>
>>Agreed. I was prepared, though, in case anyone got seriously injured
>>and needed to go to the hospital. I was going to say, "Sit down,
>>Glen!"
>>
>Like I said, I would've been on my own. Thanks
>for the verification.
Dean, Dean, Dean. I just didn't want Glen giving anybody a ride to
the hospital, that's all. Surely you remember that thread.
Reality is a point of view
+---- tc...@got.net wrote (Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:12:32 -0700):
| One can have pride in one's career without being arrogant.
Hey look, I'm humble!
Meanwhile, I couldn't resist agreeing with the following quote.
--
Gary Johnson gjoh...@season.com
Privacy on the net is still illegal.
Our Deepest Fear
(Excerpt From A Speech By Nelson Mandela)
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that
we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that
most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and
fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be?
You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't
feel insecure about you. We were born to manifest the glory of God that
is within us.
It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone.
And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people
permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our
presence automatically liberates others.
Steve Premo
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:41:27 GMT, l...@netcom.com (Larry Colen) wrote:
>Steve Premo (pr...@mail.cruzio.com) wrote:
>
>: Yep. They were all there, and all very pleasant people. Also
>: attending were me, Mel, Tim May, Geoff Wells, Glen and Kathy, Geoff
>: Miller (I think), Leona Levine, Jim Jones, Don Steiny, Todd Jonz, Jeff
>
>That's Lenore levine and leona Bobbit. Get it straight already.
Oops. Sorry, Lenore.
So I didn't have to sit with my lap under the table the whole time?
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <slrn5prk2t....@dream.season.com>, gjoh...@dream.season.com (Reality is a point of view) writes:
>
> Meanwhile, I couldn't resist agreeing with the following quote.
>
> (Excerpt From A Speech By Nelson Mandela)
Damn, Gary -- how does one follow *that*? Ya gotta give me something to
*work* with, man!
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <slrn5prjms....@dream.season.com>, gjoh...@dream.season.com (Reality is a point of view) writes:
> +---- df...@cse.ucsc.edu wrote (10 Jun 1997 17:49:27 GMT):
> | as for "my agenda", my agenda is to have interesting discussions
>
> wondering.
I actually didn't expect him to come. After having gone, myself, I *sure*
hope that you come to the next one, don.
JCDill
Apparently in scruz.general a person purporting to be
je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann) authored the following:
>Consulting the source (Eric Raymond's "Jargon" circa 1992):
>(Duz anyone have a later version handy?)
Jargon File's 4.0.0 version (released 25 July 1996)
http://locke.ccil.org/jargon/jargon_29.html#SEC36
nerd /n./
1. [mainstream slang] Pejorative applied to anyone with an
above-average IQ and few gifts at small talk and ordinary social
rituals. 2. [jargon] Term of praise applied (in conscious ironic
reference to sense 1) to someone who knows what's really
important and interesting and doesn't care to be distracted by trivial
chatter and silly status games. Compare the two senses of
computer geek.
The word itself appears to derive from the lines "And then, just to
show them, I'll sail to Ka-Troo / And Bring Back an
It-Kutch, a Preep and a Proo, / A Nerkle, a Nerd, and a Seersucker,
too!" in the Dr. Seuss book "If I Ran the Zoo" (1950).
(The spellings `nurd' and `gnurd' also used to be current at MIT.) How
it developed its mainstream meaning is unclear, but
sense 1 seems to have entered mass culture in the early 1970s (there
are reports that in the mid-1960s it meant roughly
"annoying misfit" without the connotation of intelligence).
An IEEE Spectrum article (4/95, page 16) once derived `nerd' in its
variant form `knurd' from the word `drunk' backwards, but
this bears all the earmarks of a bogus folk etymology.
Hackers developed sense 2 in self-defense perhaps ten years later, and
some actually wear "Nerd Pride" buttons, only half as a
joke. At MIT one can find not only buttons but (what else?) pocket
protectors bearing the slogan and the MIT seal.
http://locke.ccil.org/jargon/jargon_18.html#TAG323
computer geek /n./
1. One who eats (computer) bugs for a living. One who fulfills all the
dreariest negative stereotypes about hackers: an asocial,
malodorous, pasty-faced monomaniac with all the personality of a
cheese grater. Cannot be used by outsiders without implied
insult to all hackers; compare black-on-black vs. white-on-black usage
of `nigger'. A computer geek may be either a
fundamentally clueless individual or a proto-hacker in larval stage.
Also called `turbo nerd', `turbo geek'. See also propeller
head, clustergeeking, geek out, wannabee, terminal junkie, spod,
weenie. 2. Some self-described computer geeks use this term in
a positive sense and protest sense 1 (this seems to have been a
post-1990 development). For one such argument, see
http://samsara.circus.com/~omni/geek.html.
--
My first name has 2 letters, There's only one letter "J".
My last name's a bit longer, It just worked out that way.
I hate spam, and UCE, and all that unwanted mess.
So to reply, you have to edit my return address.
JCDill
Apparently in scruz.general a person purporting to be
>Before someone says it's inappropriate to post
>a binary here, please consider the following.
sheesh Dean.
You have been around long enough to KNOW that the way to deal with
this is to post a short NOTE saying you have posted the binary, in an
appropriate binary newsgroup.
Grow up and follow the rules!
Reality is a point of view
+---- sjac...@teetime-online.com wrote (Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:15:57 -0700):
| who shoots a howitzer at the Skyline range every 4th so it's
+----
Really? Howitzer? Cool. And I thought the beaches were wild.
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <concolorE...@netcom.com>, conc...@netcom.com (Poison Candy) writes:
>
> Oh, I forgot to add:
>
> 1) Geoff Miller was clad in nothing but bicycle shorts.
> He swung his axe and muttered, "Fee fi fo fum, I'll
> grind his bones to make my bread."
> 2) Bobbi was at Courts' Lounge, poisoning the minds of
> the regulars against you. Now, they all know that you
> don't have a real dick.
> 3) Glen Appleby wore a T-shirt that said, "Make war,
> not love."
I notice in every rendition that you have posted, you have "conveniently"
forgotten" to mention your own little strip tease on the bar.
Personally, I found it to be most interesting, but did you *have* to
use Mel's baby as a prop? That just might have taken it a bit too
far.
--
J.R. Dean
In article <5nkng7$6...@news.scruz.net>, steiny@infopoint (Don Steiny) wrote:
>
> But what have you lost? All of 50 people read scruz.general. What
>difference does it make?
>
Nope. Leaving the 'Net means leaving all of Usenet --
you're being naive to assume they won't find me in
other newsgroups. They do, and have.
Leaving the 'Net also means giving up the web site,
giving up the e-mail address, giving up ftp for
dealing with customers, etc. After all, this
harassment garbage isn't restricted just to Usenet
news.
After all that, I'd still have the threatening crank
calls to deal with. "Change your number." Okay, so
I do that, alert my customers, family, friends, etc...
then Julian, a telecom worker, or Tim, a privacy
freak who only wants *his* privacy protected, snoops
into phone records and finds my new number.
Next, of course, assuming Tim's and others' claims
that they know where I live, it's time to move again.
Either that, or make the homestead an armed fortress.
Sooner or later, one of these idiots claiming they'll
show up on my doorstep to assault me might actually
develop the backbone to do it or they might simply flip
out completely and not care about the consequences.
In the end, however, "leaving" is giving in to 'Net
bullies and terrorists. Their "demands" won't end
if you do that.
Look carefully at the "setup" for last Saturday.
Four people in attendance who've threatened me
or attacked me, and lookouts at the doors, watching
for me, despite my repeated refusals to attend.
Now that's obsessive.
-- D.
Larry Colen
There is an important point that everyone seems to be
missing. While everybody seems to agree on the basic definition
of a couple of words (nerd, geek) they have different emotional
connotations associated with them. To me (and apparently Jeff)
nerd means someone whose technical skills are stronger than their
social skills. Being a nerd is no less valid than, for example,
being very good at wooing members of the opposite sex, but not
being able to program a computer.
I'm socially clueless. Big deal, I can't play the piano either.
On the other hand, I can write software, drive race cars,
play the stereo, discourse at length on Single Malt Scotch...
I get along just fine with my own circle of friends, we just
tend to operate under a different set of conventions than most
of today's American society.
Likewise, to the people in the Santa Cruz geek scene, many
of whom live in "geek houses", it's just a convenient descriptive
term. It's a lot easier to say than "Someone who does a lot
of social interaction using written communication over computer
networks as the medium of choice.
Connotations change. Just like when the NAACP was formed,
the people who named it didn't have problems with the term
"colored".
Actually one of my favorite terms was coined by a friend of Ayse's:
Rennaisance Nerd. My friend Phil Witham is a true Rennaisance Nerd.
He's building an ultralight aircraft in his garage, made a device
that will launch a can of beer over 1000' (launch to land), designed
and built a scanning tunneling microscope, is a fairly competent
musician, worked as a professional Rocket Scientist and so on.
--
Larry Colen l...@netcom.COM pager: 408-697-8377 (OYSTERS)
"You actually *worry* about physics? Your attitude always seemed
pretty cavalier to me!" -James Vasbinder
ch...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5nl719$s...@redtail.cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> In article <slrn5ps18i....@dream.season.com>, gjoh...@dream.season.com (Reality is a point of view) writes:
> > +---- sjac...@teetime-online.com wrote (Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:32:10 -0700):
> > | To get to the point, I didn't meet a single loon at the cruzefest.
> > | Hell, even Appleby is mostly harmless. I know I'd trust him
> > | with a weapon, even chain-fed or towed.
> >
> > The image of MrAnarchy with a towed weapon has been bothering
> > me ever since I read this post.
>
> What -- you haven't seen the carnage that can be done with a well wielded
> horse carcus?
This is scary stuff, as anyone who has seen an episode of McGyver
knows. If you can turn a bottle of vinegar and a length of string
into a low yield tactical device, imagine what can be done with the
proverbial dead horse.
True, 99% of the corpse is water, but the remaining table spoon
of dried up stuff is ... THERMITE!
That's right. Heretofore, one had to combine a South American
country with a rusty old French Exocet with a top of the line
British cruiser built on a magnesium/aluminum alloy hull to get
thermite in sufficient quantities to roast your flame war opponent
to the point where yes, you have the last word, and that chewing
sound is them eating it.
Glen has now introduced for the first time a product which combines
the amazing effiency of a Jeff Liebermann anti-dog device with
the best technology miltary science has to offer, all in the
form of a kitchen aid!
Laugh if you must, but if Glen ever drags something looking like
a slightly overused spatula to the next shindig, fear for yourself
and everyone else in the blast radius. Then prepare to die.
And you would never know to look at him.
Now _that's_ power. Never blowing its own horn, ever blowing
you away.
Cruzio is a mom and pop Internet Service Provider. I'm pop.
Web: http://www.cruzio.com Email: in...@cruzio.com Voice: 423-1162
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <slrn5ps0ld....@dream.season.com>, gjoh...@dream.season.com (Reality is a point of view) writes:
>
> | my behaviour patented. Then I can sell licences and sue Glen
>
You sue Jeff and I'll be forced to sue ...... Tim....or something.
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5nlo01$a...@news.scruz.net>, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
> In article <339e5980...@news.cdsnet.net>, dan...@cdsnet.net wrote:
>
> >I
> >don't know shit about computers, I just use them. My bonehead
> >computer told me that the files were corrupted, and that they
> >couldn't be expanded, much less read.
>
> You're the first person to say anything about this.
> Maybe you're alone; maybe no one is decoding the files.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NOW you got it!
> Find it at my public ftp site.
>
> ftp://ftp.scruz.net/users/jrd/public/crank_calls/jm_sea.zip
See, wasn't that easy? Why not do that in the *first* place?
Those three lines take up a *whole* lot less bandwidth than the
posting of the 8 part megaspam.
Doug Landauer
Tim May wrote:
> I'm convinced the use of the terms "geek" and "nerd" as
> self-descriptions is a sign of age differences. At the
> age of 45, as I am, I remember when both terms were grave
> insults (I still think they are, by the way). I cannot
> understand why the younger engineers and programmers [...]
> are now referring to themselves as "geeks" and "nerds."
Words change. Frequently it's a kind of language inflation
(cf "star", "superstar") but occasionaly there's deflation
as is seen here.
Being near my age, you might remember a baseball cap being worn
backwards as a sign of utter stupidity (I still think that when
I see it ...)
> Or, "Look at those dweebs and nerds over there."
In my experience, dweeb never had as negative a connotation as
nerd, which in turn wasn't as bad as geek. I'm 44 and I lead a
series of mountain bike rides that became known as the DWEEBS
rides (an acronym, it stood for something like Doug's Wednesday
Evening Excursions on Bayshore Singletrack).
> The whole concept of "reclaiming" names and thereby defanging
> their insult value -- or so the theory goes -- is a PC notion.
Yep, usually. Sometimes such reclamation happens naturally though,
and I think geek, dweeb, and nerd are examples. "Reclaiming" often
fails simply because it's an attempt to make a deliberate change in
language usage, and that's a difficult thing to pull off.
> What's next, "Fag and Dyke History"? Maybe "Nigger Studies"?
> Or Kikeology and Spickology?
To quote the Firesign Theater:
What's America? Why, it's
It's spicks and wops and niggers and kikes
With noses as long as your arm,
It's micks and chinks and gooks and geeks and honkies --
Who never left a farm.
That's America, buddy.
je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann) wrote:
> I think what may have happened is that "nerd" became a fashion
> statement after the movie "Revenge of the Nerds" and subsequent
> clones...
I don't think that had anything to do with it. I think that "nerd"
lost its insult value at the point where it became painfully clear
that the richest man in the world was unquestionably a nerd/geek.
(Or, more generally, once it became clear that most nerds make more
money than the average joe.)
--
Doug Landauer land...@apple.com (work)
land...@scruznet.com (not-work)
Doug Landauer
>... if one does it correctly, getting older is the natural progression.
For most of us, it's better than the alternative.
Kenji Doihara
j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) writes:
>Max was wired and pathetic. I restrained him
>until security arrived. We were pulled apart
>just moments before they arrived. I was uninjured,
>and so was Max, except, of course, for his damaged
>pride.
Mr Kenji make very very big giant bet Mr Draino try use very
very big secret judo move known to world as Big Secret Judo Pee-pee
Move and they must squirt Mr Draino with very very big garden watering
hose to make Mr Draino go away from Mr Max.
Your friend,
Mr Kenji Doihara
J.R. Dean
Now canceled, as promised.
In article <5nk5rq$5...@news.scruz.net>, j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean)
wrote:
>Before someone says it's inappropriate to post
>a binary here, please consider the following.
>
>It's inappropriate to make 20 or so harassing,
>threatening calls to someone over the course
>of several months.
>
>It's inappropriate to allegedly acquire and
>disseminate someone's credit report, both
>at a party and later to Usenet.
>
>And so on.
>
>The file is in *.wav format, and zipped.
>The uuencoded file is in 8 parts.
>
>I'm posting it here because many people
>apparently do not care to download such
>a file from the web.
>
>Sorry for the inconvenience. This is a
>one-time deal to demonstrate that just
>because Macassey allegedly behaved like
>a "gentleman," that does not mean that
>he is one.
J.R. Dean
In article <339ea5d4....@news.scruz.net>, anti...@here.not (j.r. pierce ) wrote:
>
>Then I made the mistake of listening to this msg. Geez, is THIS the
>sort of thing that has your knads in a knot?? Dean, get a LIFE. You
>are being teased. big time. by someone who obviously has the sense of
>humor of a 15 yr old. A english (aussie?) 15 yr old who's had just a
>few too many pints.
Why does he need to do it at all? It seems that
often he gets a few pints into him it puffs up his
balls enough so that he can scream into my answering
machine and threaten me. What a man.
I've asked him to stop.
Listen to the other ones. Julian was somewhat restrained
in this last message lest a scruzer catch him.
Regardless, over 20 abusive, harassing, threatening calls
since last October... it's still illegal, and sane people
do not continue to do this kind of crap.
Click the URL below.
-- D.
"Do you want to fuck with me!? DO YOU WANT TO FUCK
WITH ME?! Vinnie's here, and he's ready to GO!"
-- Julian Macassey,
gun-toting lunatic
-------------
j...@enclave.org -- URL = <http://www.enclave.org/jrd/goons/lunatic.wav>
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <landauer-ya023280...@news.apple.com>, land...@apple.com (Doug Landauer) writes:
>
> I don't think that had anything to do with it. I think that "nerd"
> lost its insult value at the point where it became painfully clear
> that the richest man in the world was unquestionably a nerd/geek.
> (Or, more generally, once it became clear that most nerds make more
> money than the average joe.)
I thought that the richest man in the world was some Shaw or Prince,
who got all of his money from oil.
So, are you suggesting that it's possible to *buy* acceptance?
Don, there's hope for ya, yet.
Bryan Hinkle
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:
: > play the stereo, discourse at length on Single Malt Scotch...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Preferably Oban ,Dahlwhinnie or maybe a Macallan 18 or Springbank25
,there were few gloriously memorable things to come from the Foggy Empire
but along with the Super-Seven and the original Commando ,good Single Malts
seem to sustain themselves.
B.
j.r. pierce
j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>You're the first person to say anything about this.
>Maybe you're alone; maybe no one is decoding the files.
Your method of 'splitting' the message into 8 parts was rather
nonstandard and my newsreader didn't pick up on the parts automatically,
rather. I had to manually 'join' the parts [ie. select all 8 parts and
choose 'join' in said newsreader]. Winzip read it fine after that.
Then I made the mistake of listening to this msg. Geez, is THIS the
sort of thing that has your knads in a knot?? Dean, get a LIFE. You
are being teased. big time. by someone who obviously has the sense of
humor of a 15 yr old. A english (aussie?) 15 yr old who's had just a
few too many pints.
Ah well. >plonk< (attachments deleted)
-jrp
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Erik Max Francis
Larry Colen wrote:
> Actually one of my favorite terms was coined by a friend of Ayse's:
> Rennaisance Nerd.
Ah. Those are called "losers."
--
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Alcyone Systems / web / http://www.alcyone.com/max/
San Jose, California, United States / icbm / 37 20 07 N 121 53 38 W
\
"Covenants without the sword / are but words."
/ Camden
J.R. Dean
In article <33a32c4c...@news.concentric.net>, jjjj...@ix.netcom.com
>Apparently in scruz.general a person purporting to be
>j...@spam.blows_see.sig (J.R. Dean) authored the following:
>>>
>
>Appropriate is to post in scruz.general a note that you have posted
>the binary file in an appropriate binary newsgroup, such as:
>
> alt.binaries.sounds.misc
Funny... I don't see "scruz" anywhere in that group
name.
So your suggestion is that binaries with only local
interest should be posted to general binary groups
that have short expiration times or are not even
carried by many scruz.* sites?
-- D.
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j...@enclave.org -- URL = <http://www.enclave.org/jrd/>
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5nlc8c$2...@redtail.cruzio.com>, ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> In article <5nl719$s...@redtail.cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
> >
> > What -- you haven't seen the carnage that can be done with a well wielded
> > horse carcus?
>
> This is scary stuff, as anyone who has seen an episode of McGyver
> knows. If you can turn a bottle of vinegar and a length of string
> into a low yield tactical device, imagine what can be done with the
> proverbial dead horse.
<most delightful followup snipped -- as much as I hated to do it. Really
nice job, Chris!>
But then, to paraphrase Freud: Sometimes a horse carcus is just a horse
carcus.
Max Perez
In article <33a12863....@news.scruz.net>,
j.r. pierce <anti...@here.not> wrote:
>gl...@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:
>>Hey -- how about this: next time we meet at some place that has a
>>bunch of Cones of Silence?
>If we pick a reasonable time, that OTHER brew pub, Front Street, can be
>reasonable, they'd probably let us use the back room even.
>-jrp
i waas at the front st pub last night and am happy to report that
thier rye beer "rye not" is world class.
dam fine place.
-max
"nice necktie!"
Max Perez
In article <lrcEBL...@netcom.com>, Larry Colen <l...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Actually one of my favorite terms was coined by a friend of Ayse's:
i like the term rennaisance nerd, but it could be easily confused with
ren faire folk aka "rennies" by the mundane.
-max
"a socially compatable geek"
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <5npe8o$l...@news.scruz.net>, m...@armory.com (Max Perez) writes:
>
> i like the term rennaisance nerd, but it could be easily confused with
> ren faire folk aka "rennies" by the mundane.
Ah, but, perhaps the mundane are just easily confused?
j.r. pierce
je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann) wrote:
>The beach ordinance is called a Fizzbomb and consists of
>a PVC pipe and a beer can. The device is charged with butane
>and fired with a spark plug. Range and accuracy varies with
>the sobriety of the gun crew. Construction plans on request.
We used to use a piece of steel pipe, water and calcium carbide, and
launch tennis balls. The drive shaft from a OLD dodge panel wagon
worked quite well... Same deal, spark plug ignition... Oh, and you put
a bolt thru the pipe about 12" above the bottom to stop the ball, 6" of
water, and the plug is about 9" from the end..
Max Perez
In article <5npja4$p...@redtail.cruzio.com>, <gl...@bbs.cruzio.com> wrote:
-In article <5npiam$o...@redtail.cruzio.com>, ch...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
-> In article <5npfo7$n...@redtail.cruzio.com>, gl...@bbs.cruzio.com writes:
-> > In article <5npe8o$l...@news.scruz.net>, m...@armory.com (Max Perez) writes:
-> > > i like the term rennaisance nerd, but it could be easily confused with
-> > > ren faire folk aka "rennies" by the mundane.
-> > Ah, but, perhaps the mundane are just easily confused?
-> Huh? What's that s'posed to mean?
-Yeah? Yo' Momma's a turd!
its so hard to pull that line off well when you are older than 4 or 5
or so. then again, this is scruz.gen..
-max
"hes not black, and hes not blind..."
gl...@bbs.cruzio.com
In article <33a74e04...@news.scruz.net>, anti...@here.not (j.r. pierce ) writes:
>
> We used to use a piece of steel pipe, water and calcium carbide, and
> launch tennis balls. The drive shaft from a OLD dodge panel wagon
> worked quite well... Same deal, spark plug ignition... Oh, and you put
> a bolt thru the pipe about 12" above the bottom to stop the ball, 6" of
> water, and the plug is about 9" from the end..
This thread is starting to remind me of the pipe bomb that I made as
a result of flunking my high school chem class (after learning how to
make expolsives).
To this day, I'm amazed that I have *any* feeling in my right hand and
can hear at all.
But it *did work*!