Re: 公司关于Agile的培训材料

[吴科]

Share一段刚和印度同事聊Agile的记录，顺便推销了下Scrumgathering。

大家随意看看。

Wu, Victor [12:31]:

Morning Vidya

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:31]:

Good mornign Victor

Wu, Victor [12:31]:

Thanks Siva introduce you.

I am an agile fans in IDI CTC now.

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:32]:

Yes,let me know how i can support you

Wu, Victor [12:34]:

I just want to learn more about agile status in your team at beginning.

And if we want promote agile in CTC in the future,  I'll ask for more help.:)

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:37]:

From the begginning of the project we were working on agile development where we worked with 2 weeks releases. Recently from october we moved to  SCRUM way of working ( This also way of agile development )

Wu, Victor [12:38]:

yep. Are you a SM?

scrum master

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:38]:

From october 2013 we are practicing SCRUm in our project , where Customer is involved art every step .. YEs. I am Scrum master

Wu, Victor [12:39]:

I am interesting in role transform..

chief -> PO?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:40]:

PO for us it is from customer side . who gives the requirement in the form of user stories

Wu, Victor [12:40]:

yep

how many people in one Scrum team, and who are them?

Customer（PO）stay with ScrumTeam everyday?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:43]:

7 to 9 people in scrum team .

Product owner, Scrum master and team

Team contains cross funtional team members

i.e systems , It&V and SW developer

 PO stays with scrum team everyday ..

it is not mandatory to PO that he stay with the team every day

Wu, Victor [12:45]:

okay. they sit together?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:47]:

Ideally yes, Since our team is present across three sites(TCK, Mecel and TCI ) . We will have the daily scrum through skype every day .

Wu, Victor [12:47]:

PO(customer) is also GM/Honda similar with us?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:48]:

PO will be most of the time silent listner .. only if we need some inputs from the customer he will help us to get that information as early as possible

Wu, Victor [12:48]:

wow, i think you have a good start

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:48]:

We are working with volvo

Wu, Victor [12:49]:

Last question today -- Use Scrum is demand of Delphi or Volvo?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:51]:

Intially Mecel -Delphi proposed it .. now Volvo is also happy with this way of working .. in other teams also they are practicing it .

Wu, Victor [12:51]:

Thanks for your time, Vidya. I am very happy to chat with you. Hope next commuication(maybe face to face in future)

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:51]:

In volvo they were already practicing in some other departments  also ..

One more  thing , we are using target process tool to support this way of working

Wu, Victor [12:53]:

You means jra?

I am afraid of waste your work time..:D

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:54]:

Similar to jira.. still mecel people are exploring whether we can use jira instead of target process..  because of the cost perspective ..

Wu, Victor [12:54]:

If you are not busy, we can go on..

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:55]:

No problem ..

Wu, Victor [12:55]:

Great.

Scrum(agile) become more and more popular in China these two years

And we have agile community in Shanghai included 30 fixed people

oh, I want to invite you to join Scrum Gathering 2014 held in Shanghai if Delphi can pay the travel fee.

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [12:59]:

For your questions " Use Scrum is demand of Delphi or Volvo?"  I guess Using scrum decision is done together volvo and delphi . 

Yes i can travel if you intiate that :)

Wu, Victor [13:00]:

sure?

ok. I'll send the official mail to you.

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [13:00]:

Sure. Thanks

ok. i have to leave for meeting now .. if you have any question you can contact me any time. Thanks

Wu, Victor [13:01]:

see ya

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [13:02]:

bye for now 

在 2014年3月17日 下午9:30，张克强 <zhangk...@gmail.com>写道：

整车厂一般用瀑布，各类文档，先起草，后评审，打上里程碑基线，回头再变更。一样玩得转，效率也许低些，但人家用着放心，都用了20多年了

2014-3-17 下午1:44于 "吴科" <czw...@gmail.com>写道：

@Daniel

这个玩笑如何能让我们的Tier1的老板去讲给整车厂的老板听呢？这是个很大的局吧！

在 2014年3月17日 下午12:09，Daniel Teng <tengz...@gmail.com>写道：

温伯格给我说过一个笑话

一个客户想开发一辆汽车，然后要求严格按照他的最初需求说明书。然后温伯格这样回复他：“Ok，没有问题，那我就100%按照你的需求说明书做，一点儿也不修改，不过你必须跟我承诺，两年后等做出来，你要把这辆车开至少半年。。。”

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On 2014年3月17日 Monday at 上午9:28, Susan Jiang wrote:

大家有谁遇到过关于范围或设计完全不能谈的情况么？

在 2014年3月16日 下午10:57，申健Jacky <meb...@gmail.com>写道：

第一条，就算写了完整的设计文档，该变的还是要变。

除非，这个项目的需求真的完全不会变..

Br,

申健Jacky Shen

个人网站：www.JackyShen.com

在 2014年3月16日，下午10:35，vicor wu <czw...@gmail.com> 写道：

第一条总觉得哪不对，但确好像不能辩驳

张克强 <zhangk...@gmail.com>编写：

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[吴科]

Wave two discussion.

HighLight：

1. 老印用了TDD，automation test, UT, pair-programming（TDD我很怀疑怎样用的）

2. automation 用的是capl scripts and canoe simulation， 都没听过，可能不是framework.

Detail as below:

Wu, Victor [10:38]:

which programme language do your team use?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [10:39]:

C, C++ and we do modelling . Also develop HMI using TML tool

Modelling using matlab

Wu, Victor [10:44]:

okay. I just want to know which practice of engineer apply in your team. Practice is important in Agile as you know.

And programme language is related with agile practice.

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [10:50]:

ok

Wu, Victor [10:51]:

Like TDD, automation test, UT and..

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [10:53]:

Yes , in our team we do all these Activities  like automation test , UT

what is TDD ?

Wu, Victor [10:54]:

test driven development

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [10:54]:

oh:)

yes we do that :)

Wu, Victor [10:54]:

great

and pair programme?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [10:55]:

yes it is also practiced in our processs

Wu, Victor [10:56]:

sure, that's heard wonderful

Wu, Victor [10:58]:

which framework of your automation platform?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [11:01]:

Test automation is done using capl scripts and canoe simulation

Wu, Victor [11:02]:

what is capl and canoe, Could I google them?

Have you heard robotframework and cucumber?

Jagadeesha, Vidya N [11:03]:

then let me comeback to you on framework then,,

i need to check that with the IT&V engineer once on this

i was telling  what do we use in the test automation

Wu, Victor [11:04]:

RF(robotframework) and cucumber are also the framework

thanks.

[Larry Cai]

capl scripts and canoe simulation 看上去和matlab等都是特定领域的工具，能google到，看上去用的不错呀。

可以看一下他们测试产生的报告和几个测试用例，就能了解到在什么level的。RF和cucumber可能并不需要。

自动化测试和所在领域有很大相关性吧。

（正好看到，聊几句）

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[Qinwen Shi]

是不是TDD把他们的代码抓出来看一眼就明白了 :P

另外两个工具canoe啥的我猜是汽车行业相关的软件吧；我记得以前看到设计海上油田的钻井平台的，也是有个模拟器模拟海洋的力学环境的，把井架的设计图从设计软件导出来，然后加上一些力学热点之类的，再给在模拟器上设置一些参数，用模拟软件模拟测试一把设计图（跟TDD的做法有点像），看看是不是有的热点会Crash。

不过中医号脉望闻问切，远程摸底还是不如冲到他们那里去看一眼或者体验一把，看看他们这个行业的工程实践到底怎么玩的 :D

Best Regards,
施勤文

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[吴科]

@qinwen

我倒是想冲过去啊，但是不像你是明正言顺的顶着Title可以冲啊，我这还差的远呢。

说到这个，其实我也问过好多人了，如何影响周围人啊，从自己开始啊，但是方到用时，往往困难重重啊。

介绍下背景，通用汽车分出来的零部件厂商，美独资，传统制造业，流程规范相当的重而全且细规范。

目前的部门是汽车娱乐系统，很类似平板。所以还是以软件为主的开发。

我个人目前是系统工程师，我以为比软件工程师更不好介入敏捷，当然我自己很有兴趣把这推广开来。。。

目前也正在以各种方式私下渗透。

大家有何高见。。。

[Xu Yi]

搞好自己那摊子，再去说别人，能成。

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[Daniel Teng]

谢谢Kevin

在我coaching中，我的经验来看，关键点并不是教给他，而是让他看到一个Gap(让他觉得不爽)，然后给他迅速建立自信，然后扶他走一阵，然后再时不时回来用鞭子抽两下。

我在去年北京Scrum Gatheirng分享的ISNIPER是关于这个的。从我的博客上可以看到视频和slide。

当然实际工作中，其实还会有更多的方式方法，我争取把这些更多的方法和模式发布到LeanPub上，Esther Derby帮我起了一个名字，叫Awakening Change。

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On 2014年3月20日 Thursday at 下午11:45, Kelvin Chen wrote:

Daniel 之前分享过的那个变革影响的理论应该会对你有些帮助啊。大原则就是找到痛点促使大家改变，当然前提是你能解决好前面几步的问题，让大家相信可以并且值得改变， 如果只是抛一个IDEA给别人也是徒劳的。。。

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[Kelvin Chen]

Daniel 之前分享过的那个变革影响的理论应该会对你有些帮助啊。大原则就是找到痛点促使大家改变，当然前提是你能解决好前面几步的问题，让大家相信可以并且值得改变， 如果只是抛一个IDEA给别人也是徒劳的。。。

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